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Back in the mid nineties the world was different from now. Oasis were the biggest band around, England did well at Euro 96 and maxed Ford Escorts were in. More importantly the Plasystation had just been born. It turned into a style icon for a generation.
The Playstation was a massive success. It was a contemporary of neds, baseball caps and puffer jackets.
But now everything has changed. Still there are people trying to hold on to those heady days. Sony themselves are the most desperate for these days to last forever. The reason is that Sony with their style have got the Playstation as symbol of then and it makes them so much money, the way things are.
Now the PS2 is around and it is just an update. But the PS2 has not yet made the impression that the PS did and now it seems that Playstation culture is dying, slowly. Many people I know are beginning to view Playstation culture as just too mid nineties.
Oasis are not now the biggest band, now they are living off of past laurels and successes. If their next album is not good then it could quite possibly be the end for them. I like Oasis so I am in no hurry to see them die.
Ford have axed the Escort. Now the Focus is here, and it is totally different. Boy racers are not cool. Nor are they nearly as common.
Puffer jackets are no longer as cool as they once were.
Baseball caps are still in though, one last bastion of the Playstation culture.
England are not the force they were 5 years ago, no matter what the score against Germany suggests.
But still the Playstation culture is with us. But now those 15 year old of 1995 are men of 21 with a real life to live and real bills to pay.
I think it is time for a big, radical change.
Now here in the noughties a new console war is set to be fought. Will the victor be a style icon like the Playstation? Will Oasis be number 1 again? Will boy racers in their caps and puffer jackets soon be driving maxed Focuses?
I do not think so. I think that the console of choice will be the GameCube, that the charts will be ruled by R'n'B groups like Destiny's Child and that denim, in a way not seen since the 70's, will be the clothing of choice for many. And in the face of fuel costs, Clios and Corsas will be the transport of choice.
What do you think of the Playstation generation and its culture? Do you think it is dying or do you think that it is about to enter a renaissance?
Biggles
The Playstation was a massive success. It was a contemporary of neds, baseball caps and puffer jackets.
But now everything has changed. Still there are people trying to hold on to those heady days. Sony themselves are the most desperate for these days to last forever. The reason is that Sony with their style have got the Playstation as symbol of then and it makes them so much money, the way things are.
Now the PS2 is around and it is just an update. But the PS2 has not yet made the impression that the PS did and now it seems that Playstation culture is dying, slowly. Many people I know are beginning to view Playstation culture as just too mid nineties.
Oasis are not now the biggest band, now they are living off of past laurels and successes. If their next album is not good then it could quite possibly be the end for them. I like Oasis so I am in no hurry to see them die.
Ford have axed the Escort. Now the Focus is here, and it is totally different. Boy racers are not cool. Nor are they nearly as common.
Puffer jackets are no longer as cool as they once were.
Baseball caps are still in though, one last bastion of the Playstation culture.
England are not the force they were 5 years ago, no matter what the score against Germany suggests.
But still the Playstation culture is with us. But now those 15 year old of 1995 are men of 21 with a real life to live and real bills to pay.
I think it is time for a big, radical change.
Now here in the noughties a new console war is set to be fought. Will the victor be a style icon like the Playstation? Will Oasis be number 1 again? Will boy racers in their caps and puffer jackets soon be driving maxed Focuses?
I do not think so. I think that the console of choice will be the GameCube, that the charts will be ruled by R'n'B groups like Destiny's Child and that denim, in a way not seen since the 70's, will be the clothing of choice for many. And in the face of fuel costs, Clios and Corsas will be the transport of choice.
What do you think of the Playstation generation and its culture? Do you think it is dying or do you think that it is about to enter a renaissance?
Biggles
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> i wasssss hmmm 14 when i got my Playstation back in 97'
we wore onions on
> our belts it was the fashion those days
> i wasssss hmmm 14 when i got my Playstation back in 97'
we wore onions on
> our belts it was the fashion those days
i wasssss hmmm 14 when i got my ps2 back in 97'
we wore onions on our belts it was the fashion those days
we wore onions on our belts it was the fashion those days
I was 28 when I bought my first Playstation back in 1995.
Notorious Biggles wrote:
> I do not know any 20+ who were Playstation owners in 1995
I was. 24 in 1995 when I got my PS1. It's generally accepted that the majority of PS1 owners are/were 18-25, with a high disposable income.
> No but less of them have time for playing games.
Says who? I have just as much time now as I did then, as do most of the people I know who are interested in games, and so do - I suspect - the millions of people buying PS2s, GBAs, and pre-ordering 'cubes and Xboxes.
> I take as an example the 2 guys that live with their Mum and
> sisters next door to me.
It's nice to know that your assumptions are based on such a wide sample of the population!
> The 22 year old is now a father to twins. They do not have
> time to play games anymore. They have grown out of the Playstation
> generation.
I think you'll find that they haven't so much grown out of it, as simply can't afford it as easily as they used to, especially the one with two kids. A friend of mine has three kids and still loves to play games - he has less time, but still plays - and he can't afford as many games as he used to.
None of these facts are specific to the 'PlayStation generation' though - this affects *all* consoles.
> In any case do you really expect the PS2 to outsell the PS over its lifetime? I do
> not seeing as the PS2 will have 2 strong competitors for its
> life.
Yes, I do expect PS2 to outsell PS1 over the equivalent lifespan. It will have strong competitors, but it's more than capable of holding its own. Bear in mind that it has currently drastically outsold the PS1 with minimal advertising from Sony, and many of the best games are yet to come, several of which are likely coincide with the launches of Xbox and Gamecube, and are likely to guarantee as many new PS2 sales as the other platforms.
> Exactly why the PS2 will not be as legendary as the PS.
That's a change in the argument. We weren't discussing how 'legendary' it would be, just the 'culture' that goes with it. PS2 will be bigger than PS1 and will continue the 'culture'; it already has a following, which it is adding to - it does not need to create one of its own.
> I never said the GC or X-box would fair any better.
So how else are we to interpret the sentence "I think that the console of choice will be the GameCube" then?
> I did not call the PS2 a failure.
Not in as many words, but it was implied throught your post.
> The sales figures can not be relied on with any accuracy
> though until after the death of both consoles.
It's true that you can't get a good overall picture until the figures are final, but they do give you a good picture of the way things are going. But if they're not worth anything, why does the industry itself rely on them so much?
> High sales figures yes, but Sony will have secretly wanted more.
Well, that goes without saying for any product of any company, and so is a relatively pointless statement. If every person on the planet owned a PS2, Sony would still want to sell more.
> There will be a big slowdown in a way not experienced
> with the PS.
Based on your expert opinion, of course. Sales always slow down after the initial rush for a new product. It's how well the product continues to sell after the launch frenzy which determines how successful that product is in the long run. I don't think there will be any problem for Sony in that area.
> In time though it is more likely that more will agree with me.
Based on what evidence?
> What was the point of my original post Wookie? I know but
> it seems to have escaped you.
Well, in among the references to Ford Escorts, puffer jackets, and Oasis, it seemed to be that the PlayStation culture is no longer 'hip' or 'cool', and that PS2 isn't as big as PS1.
And my point is that you are comparing a machine in its infancy to one which has been around for 6 years.
You may as well say that the new Mini is nowhere near as goos as the old Mini and that no-one will buy it once the new Hyundai Coupe hits the shops next year.
You can only base any assumptions on the way PS2 is selling now, and all indications are that - while it isn't as innovative as the PS1 was - it's certainly selling more, and is highly likey to be a bigger-selling machine.
Of course it is possible that PS2 sales may slow down when the Gamecube and Xbox are released. It's also possible that once the initial glut of Gamecube sales to fans of Nintendo is over, they may find it hard to shift significant quantities to the general gaming public, and that people will shun Xbox in their droves.
I'm not saying that you are *wrong*, just that you're basing your views/assumptions on what *might* happen with the two new machines, and conveniently overlooking the cold hard facts of existing PS2 sales, which prove that the PlayStation 'culture' is alive and well.
> I do not know any 20+ who were Playstation owners in 1995
I was. 24 in 1995 when I got my PS1. It's generally accepted that the majority of PS1 owners are/were 18-25, with a high disposable income.
> No but less of them have time for playing games.
Says who? I have just as much time now as I did then, as do most of the people I know who are interested in games, and so do - I suspect - the millions of people buying PS2s, GBAs, and pre-ordering 'cubes and Xboxes.
> I take as an example the 2 guys that live with their Mum and
> sisters next door to me.
It's nice to know that your assumptions are based on such a wide sample of the population!
> The 22 year old is now a father to twins. They do not have
> time to play games anymore. They have grown out of the Playstation
> generation.
I think you'll find that they haven't so much grown out of it, as simply can't afford it as easily as they used to, especially the one with two kids. A friend of mine has three kids and still loves to play games - he has less time, but still plays - and he can't afford as many games as he used to.
None of these facts are specific to the 'PlayStation generation' though - this affects *all* consoles.
> In any case do you really expect the PS2 to outsell the PS over its lifetime? I do
> not seeing as the PS2 will have 2 strong competitors for its
> life.
Yes, I do expect PS2 to outsell PS1 over the equivalent lifespan. It will have strong competitors, but it's more than capable of holding its own. Bear in mind that it has currently drastically outsold the PS1 with minimal advertising from Sony, and many of the best games are yet to come, several of which are likely coincide with the launches of Xbox and Gamecube, and are likely to guarantee as many new PS2 sales as the other platforms.
> Exactly why the PS2 will not be as legendary as the PS.
That's a change in the argument. We weren't discussing how 'legendary' it would be, just the 'culture' that goes with it. PS2 will be bigger than PS1 and will continue the 'culture'; it already has a following, which it is adding to - it does not need to create one of its own.
> I never said the GC or X-box would fair any better.
So how else are we to interpret the sentence "I think that the console of choice will be the GameCube" then?
> I did not call the PS2 a failure.
Not in as many words, but it was implied throught your post.
> The sales figures can not be relied on with any accuracy
> though until after the death of both consoles.
It's true that you can't get a good overall picture until the figures are final, but they do give you a good picture of the way things are going. But if they're not worth anything, why does the industry itself rely on them so much?
> High sales figures yes, but Sony will have secretly wanted more.
Well, that goes without saying for any product of any company, and so is a relatively pointless statement. If every person on the planet owned a PS2, Sony would still want to sell more.
> There will be a big slowdown in a way not experienced
> with the PS.
Based on your expert opinion, of course. Sales always slow down after the initial rush for a new product. It's how well the product continues to sell after the launch frenzy which determines how successful that product is in the long run. I don't think there will be any problem for Sony in that area.
> In time though it is more likely that more will agree with me.
Based on what evidence?
> What was the point of my original post Wookie? I know but
> it seems to have escaped you.
Well, in among the references to Ford Escorts, puffer jackets, and Oasis, it seemed to be that the PlayStation culture is no longer 'hip' or 'cool', and that PS2 isn't as big as PS1.
And my point is that you are comparing a machine in its infancy to one which has been around for 6 years.
You may as well say that the new Mini is nowhere near as goos as the old Mini and that no-one will buy it once the new Hyundai Coupe hits the shops next year.
You can only base any assumptions on the way PS2 is selling now, and all indications are that - while it isn't as innovative as the PS1 was - it's certainly selling more, and is highly likey to be a bigger-selling machine.
Of course it is possible that PS2 sales may slow down when the Gamecube and Xbox are released. It's also possible that once the initial glut of Gamecube sales to fans of Nintendo is over, they may find it hard to shift significant quantities to the general gaming public, and that people will shun Xbox in their droves.
I'm not saying that you are *wrong*, just that you're basing your views/assumptions on what *might* happen with the two new machines, and conveniently overlooking the cold hard facts of existing PS2 sales, which prove that the PlayStation 'culture' is alive and well.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
> Notorious Biggles wrote:
> Playstation generation was made up of
> those then 15 now 21 year olds
I think you'll find it was the
> 20-plussers mostly.
I do not know any 20+ who were Playstation owners in 1995
> That generation is definitly in
> decline.
So there are less people around in that age-range than
> there were 6 years ago?
No but less of them have time for playing games. I take as an example the 2 guys that live with their Mum and sisters next door to me. Both were of the Playstation generation, Oasis fans and Escort owners, everything in fact. They even own a PS. One is 21 the other is 22. Which puts them at 15 and 16 when the PS was released and when they bought their PS which I think they were given for Christmas. Now they both have jobs. The 22 year old is now a father to twins. They do not have time to play games anymore. They have grown out of the Playstation generation. Still listen to Oasis mind.
> I have not really heard of a PS2
> generation, who can really
> say that they have in connection
> with an era, a whole culture.
The machine has been out less than
> a year in most of the world. The PS1 'generation' didn't happen
> overnight, and as I already said, the sales of PS2 were almost 3:1
> over the PS1 in the first months, and in general is around 2:1. The
> PS2 is selling more units, faster, than PS1. What more
> justification do you need?
Actually my friend***** *******s. The reason? Well thay are in charge of the wholesaling of the console. In any case do you really expect the PS2 to outsell the PS over its lifetime? I do not seeing as the PS2 will have 2 strong competitors for its life.
> The PS2 has not made the same
> impact in that it has not revolutionised
> gaming, it is like
> the transition from Master System to Mega Drive.
That's because
> PS1 was the first major leap into 3D games, and it was truly a
> revolution. All we have now is the improvement on that 3D era. PS2
> isn't a revolution as such because it offers little that is new in
> terms of gaming technology. Xbox and Gamecube are (or will be) the
> same - improvements in the same area, but nothing truly
> revolutionary.
Exactly why the PS2 will not be as legendary as the PS. I never said the GC or X-box would fair any better.
The next true revolution will come with something
> like 'real' virtual reality, or holographic games - not extensions
> of the current technology, which is all any of the current
> 'next-gen' platforms are.
To true.
> The generation that is regarded
> as being with it, hip and cool is
> the one that is coming in
> now. And so far the PS2 has not
> established itself as a style
> icon.
Again, the sales figures of this 'failure' in comparison
> with the 'successful' PS1 say that you're wrong.
I did not call the PS2 a failure. The sales figures can not be relied on with any accuracy though until after the death of both consoles.
> This is
> not about just games and
> consoles, it is about the change in
> the youth culture that is easing
> its way in over the past year
> or two. So far, the PS2 has not held
> the same coolness that
> the original had
Yet again... if it's not so cool, why are so
> many people buying it?
Are they? High sales figures yes, but Sony will have secretly wanted more. There will be a big slowdown in a way not experienced with the PS.
> and that is not my opinion.
It
> must be your opinion, or you wouldn't be agreeing with it. Anyway,
> I know of several million people who would disagree with
> you.
In time though it is more likely that more will agree with me.
> The generation has changed
Yes, they have a nasty
> habit of doing that every few years.
Do they now?
> and I do not think
> that it will be the PS2 generation.
It may, or it may not. But
> PS2 does have a healthy head-start.
So did Germany against England last week.
> Well lets wait until
> all the consoles are out and the
> trend has been set.
Yes,
> lets. Even if it does defeat the object of your original post
> somewhat. :-)
What was the point of my original post Wookie? I know but it seems to have escaped you.
> Notorious Biggles wrote:
> Playstation generation was made up of
> those then 15 now 21 year olds
I think you'll find it was the
> 20-plussers mostly.
I do not know any 20+ who were Playstation owners in 1995
> That generation is definitly in
> decline.
So there are less people around in that age-range than
> there were 6 years ago?
No but less of them have time for playing games. I take as an example the 2 guys that live with their Mum and sisters next door to me. Both were of the Playstation generation, Oasis fans and Escort owners, everything in fact. They even own a PS. One is 21 the other is 22. Which puts them at 15 and 16 when the PS was released and when they bought their PS which I think they were given for Christmas. Now they both have jobs. The 22 year old is now a father to twins. They do not have time to play games anymore. They have grown out of the Playstation generation. Still listen to Oasis mind.
> I have not really heard of a PS2
> generation, who can really
> say that they have in connection
> with an era, a whole culture.
The machine has been out less than
> a year in most of the world. The PS1 'generation' didn't happen
> overnight, and as I already said, the sales of PS2 were almost 3:1
> over the PS1 in the first months, and in general is around 2:1. The
> PS2 is selling more units, faster, than PS1. What more
> justification do you need?
Actually my friend***** *******s. The reason? Well thay are in charge of the wholesaling of the console. In any case do you really expect the PS2 to outsell the PS over its lifetime? I do not seeing as the PS2 will have 2 strong competitors for its life.
> The PS2 has not made the same
> impact in that it has not revolutionised
> gaming, it is like
> the transition from Master System to Mega Drive.
That's because
> PS1 was the first major leap into 3D games, and it was truly a
> revolution. All we have now is the improvement on that 3D era. PS2
> isn't a revolution as such because it offers little that is new in
> terms of gaming technology. Xbox and Gamecube are (or will be) the
> same - improvements in the same area, but nothing truly
> revolutionary.
Exactly why the PS2 will not be as legendary as the PS. I never said the GC or X-box would fair any better.
The next true revolution will come with something
> like 'real' virtual reality, or holographic games - not extensions
> of the current technology, which is all any of the current
> 'next-gen' platforms are.
To true.
> The generation that is regarded
> as being with it, hip and cool is
> the one that is coming in
> now. And so far the PS2 has not
> established itself as a style
> icon.
Again, the sales figures of this 'failure' in comparison
> with the 'successful' PS1 say that you're wrong.
I did not call the PS2 a failure. The sales figures can not be relied on with any accuracy though until after the death of both consoles.
> This is
> not about just games and
> consoles, it is about the change in
> the youth culture that is easing
> its way in over the past year
> or two. So far, the PS2 has not held
> the same coolness that
> the original had
Yet again... if it's not so cool, why are so
> many people buying it?
Are they? High sales figures yes, but Sony will have secretly wanted more. There will be a big slowdown in a way not experienced with the PS.
> and that is not my opinion.
It
> must be your opinion, or you wouldn't be agreeing with it. Anyway,
> I know of several million people who would disagree with
> you.
In time though it is more likely that more will agree with me.
> The generation has changed
Yes, they have a nasty
> habit of doing that every few years.
Do they now?
> and I do not think
> that it will be the PS2 generation.
It may, or it may not. But
> PS2 does have a healthy head-start.
So did Germany against England last week.
> Well lets wait until
> all the consoles are out and the
> trend has been set.
Yes,
> lets. Even if it does defeat the object of your original post
> somewhat. :-)
What was the point of my original post Wookie? I know but it seems to have escaped you.
The radical change will be the Xbox, oh yes it will, just you wait and see.
*Ant gives Wookiee a trophy named "Best PS2 Defender," and then gives himself a pat on the head for coming somewhere in the top 10*
wooooo yeahh! wookie! you go girl er guy er chewie!*stands and applauds* woooo yeah!
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