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Another attack on smokers has been raised.
Well, once more here I stand to stub my beautiful tube of pleasure out in your proverbial dinner.
Geez, smokers are treated like child-molesters now aren't we?
America, certain states you are forbidden to smoke anywhere outside or in public buildings.
YET, you can buy guns and beer in the same store. Now there's a healthy mix of hobbies eh?
I smoke. I enjoy it. It gives me a lot of pleasure. The 1st one in the morning, after a nice meal, sitting in the garden in the summer evenings with friends.
One question to all the health-nazis out there:
Why don't you ever have the balls to complain to our faces?
It's always when that person has left the room or you're a safe distance away that you start to wave your hand and go on and on and on in the whiny little voice "It's the secondary smoke. I don't want to die for their habit"
Fair enough.
Stop driving your car, stop drinking, stop using your mobile phones and stop burning fossil fuels, because you know what? Those things can all kill me and I have no say in that.
But nooooooo, let's all point our fingers at the nasty smoker across the room.
In an age where traffic pollution is causing record numbers of asthma cases, where over-demand is wiping our seas of all the fish, where intensive farming methods means outbreaks of diseases that we haven't seen in decades, we should all just moan about me having a fag.
Except I don't care.
And you know why? Because me having this one fag (I'm smoking right now..mmmm..taste that cool Laramie goodness) is not going to kill you.
It's not. No more than you eating that beef or crossing that road.
So grow up, mind your own business and stop telling me what I should or shouldn't do ok?
Ok
Let's all act like adults, worry about our own lives and try to make as much money as we can before we die from that inconsiderate person lighting up 30ft away.
The sun will burn through our ozone layer before you catch cancer from my smoking.
And they'll have a cure for it by then anyway, so relax and enjoy your hair.
I'm not doing any damage to you whatsoever, you're far more likely to catch a disease from the carcinagens in the air from traffic and CFCs and all that other stuff.
So, stop forcing your morals and interests onto my life, I didn't ask for it, I don't want it and I sure as hell don't appreciate it.
I'll smoke, I'll get the tumours and I'll die.
That's fine with me, so leave me be to enjoy my final, hacking and weezing days in peace and quiet.
Well, once more here I stand to stub my beautiful tube of pleasure out in your proverbial dinner.
Geez, smokers are treated like child-molesters now aren't we?
America, certain states you are forbidden to smoke anywhere outside or in public buildings.
YET, you can buy guns and beer in the same store. Now there's a healthy mix of hobbies eh?
I smoke. I enjoy it. It gives me a lot of pleasure. The 1st one in the morning, after a nice meal, sitting in the garden in the summer evenings with friends.
One question to all the health-nazis out there:
Why don't you ever have the balls to complain to our faces?
It's always when that person has left the room or you're a safe distance away that you start to wave your hand and go on and on and on in the whiny little voice "It's the secondary smoke. I don't want to die for their habit"
Fair enough.
Stop driving your car, stop drinking, stop using your mobile phones and stop burning fossil fuels, because you know what? Those things can all kill me and I have no say in that.
But nooooooo, let's all point our fingers at the nasty smoker across the room.
In an age where traffic pollution is causing record numbers of asthma cases, where over-demand is wiping our seas of all the fish, where intensive farming methods means outbreaks of diseases that we haven't seen in decades, we should all just moan about me having a fag.
Except I don't care.
And you know why? Because me having this one fag (I'm smoking right now..mmmm..taste that cool Laramie goodness) is not going to kill you.
It's not. No more than you eating that beef or crossing that road.
So grow up, mind your own business and stop telling me what I should or shouldn't do ok?
Ok
Let's all act like adults, worry about our own lives and try to make as much money as we can before we die from that inconsiderate person lighting up 30ft away.
The sun will burn through our ozone layer before you catch cancer from my smoking.
And they'll have a cure for it by then anyway, so relax and enjoy your hair.
I'm not doing any damage to you whatsoever, you're far more likely to catch a disease from the carcinagens in the air from traffic and CFCs and all that other stuff.
So, stop forcing your morals and interests onto my life, I didn't ask for it, I don't want it and I sure as hell don't appreciate it.
I'll smoke, I'll get the tumours and I'll die.
That's fine with me, so leave me be to enjoy my final, hacking and weezing days in peace and quiet.
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True.
Maybe make an advert with a 15 year old who is addicted on smoking and can not afford to buy him/herself anything decent because all of their money goes on fags.
Maybe make an advert with a 15 year old who is addicted on smoking and can not afford to buy him/herself anything decent because all of their money goes on fags.
The problem is that little kids do not obay adverts. They see it as the 'Adults' telling them what to do. Whereas all their mates are doing it and it gives them their first ever taste of drugs (not illegal, I mean nicotine). It gives them a strange feeling. They like it and so keep doing it. I think it is wrong but I have no idea of how to stop little kids. They will come to an informed desicion in later life wether to quit or not.
"I'll smoke, I'll get the tumours and I'll die.
That's fine with me, so leave me be to enjoy my final, hacking and weezing days in peace and quiet."
That's all fine and dandy, Goatboy, but adverts that are to do with smoking don't target people like you. They target young people and they try to inform them of the dangers of smoking. Sure, it may make you look cool but I would rather not have a little stick in my mouth if I knew that it was slowly killing me.
That's fine with me, so leave me be to enjoy my final, hacking and weezing days in peace and quiet."
That's all fine and dandy, Goatboy, but adverts that are to do with smoking don't target people like you. They target young people and they try to inform them of the dangers of smoking. Sure, it may make you look cool but I would rather not have a little stick in my mouth if I knew that it was slowly killing me.
There are to problems with making illegal. Firstly the money and secondly the fact that so many people smoke. Can you imagine Tony Blair trying to make everyone quit?
If the government wanted to stop smokers from smoking they would make it illegal.
The fact is, is that cigarette tax constitutes 1/10th of the government's entire income.
The fact is, is that cigarette tax constitutes 1/10th of the government's entire income.
Sure many things can kill you these days, but I don't want smoking to be one of them.
I just don't agree with the statement 'Oh Drinking, or pollution, or moblies can do just as bad yadda yadda yadda' because fair enough they porbably can, but I want to try and limit the things that are going to end my life, rather than increase them.
I have no objection to smokers, most of the people I do know smoke, I work and play the guitar in a pub regularly where there are many people smoking. But if I end up with Lung cancer after watching my mother smoke for 10 years then I'm going to be very peeved off.
On a side note, I read an article by the head of a major smkoing company saying that they are good for the economy because they keep the death rate high, so as not to increase the population as much. Fair enough it's true, but still rather morbid.
I just don't agree with the statement 'Oh Drinking, or pollution, or moblies can do just as bad yadda yadda yadda' because fair enough they porbably can, but I want to try and limit the things that are going to end my life, rather than increase them.
I have no objection to smokers, most of the people I do know smoke, I work and play the guitar in a pub regularly where there are many people smoking. But if I end up with Lung cancer after watching my mother smoke for 10 years then I'm going to be very peeved off.
On a side note, I read an article by the head of a major smkoing company saying that they are good for the economy because they keep the death rate high, so as not to increase the population as much. Fair enough it's true, but still rather morbid.
I'm with Goatboy on this one. I smoke, and I like it a lot. I don't feel that I am addicted, I know I could give up whenever I like, I at most have 5 or 6 a day, So why do I smoke? Because I want to.
Kids are influenced by elders, but that is what the legal age restriction is for. If they get their fags from asking an older kid in the street then that guy is a fool, but it won't be me. I'll not have one while others are eating, because I don't like it when others smoke while I am eating. I don't smoke at home because by girlfriend doesnt like the smell. (Though she likes the smell of cigars, so I have them occasionally).
What Goatboy is saying is that he doesnt want people telling him what to do. He has the consideration to not force people to smell his smoke, he is happy to keep it out of the way if he thinks it might upset them, but when people come up to you and say "ooh, you shouldnt do that, it's bad for you" you just want to stuff the lit end up their nose!
The worst anti-smokers are ex-smokers. Their "You shouldnt do that" and their "I managed to kick it, why not you" attitute grates just that more as not only were they bleating a different tune a month before they quit, but they manage to say it 3 times as much, thinking they are better for not smoking anymore.
Treat others how you want to be treated. If you want to believe in a certain religion, do so, but don't try and convert me, as I have made up my own mind. If you want to never buy a ford car, get something else, but dont knock my ford, and if you want a Dreamcast then good luck to you. I wont stop you and I wont claim that mine is better.
Treat others as you want to be treated and we would all be that much happier. If Goatboy wants to have a fag, let him. I will....
In fact, I'll have one now. See you in about 10 mins....
Kids are influenced by elders, but that is what the legal age restriction is for. If they get their fags from asking an older kid in the street then that guy is a fool, but it won't be me. I'll not have one while others are eating, because I don't like it when others smoke while I am eating. I don't smoke at home because by girlfriend doesnt like the smell. (Though she likes the smell of cigars, so I have them occasionally).
What Goatboy is saying is that he doesnt want people telling him what to do. He has the consideration to not force people to smell his smoke, he is happy to keep it out of the way if he thinks it might upset them, but when people come up to you and say "ooh, you shouldnt do that, it's bad for you" you just want to stuff the lit end up their nose!
The worst anti-smokers are ex-smokers. Their "You shouldnt do that" and their "I managed to kick it, why not you" attitute grates just that more as not only were they bleating a different tune a month before they quit, but they manage to say it 3 times as much, thinking they are better for not smoking anymore.
Treat others how you want to be treated. If you want to believe in a certain religion, do so, but don't try and convert me, as I have made up my own mind. If you want to never buy a ford car, get something else, but dont knock my ford, and if you want a Dreamcast then good luck to you. I wont stop you and I wont claim that mine is better.
Treat others as you want to be treated and we would all be that much happier. If Goatboy wants to have a fag, let him. I will....
In fact, I'll have one now. See you in about 10 mins....
Some people die because they smoke, others because they drink. Some people even die from over-exercising.
I find lots of things annoying at different times. Smokers who light up and blow smoke in my face soon find out that I don't like it, but I'm quite happy for people in a group to smoke and I have many friends that do. All of these are pretty courteous about it too and always ask if lighting up in confined areas. The thing is, I can equally get angry about some big sweaty oaf that sits beside me on a bus after jogging 15 miles and then invades my air with a pungent smell of their own body odour, or someone who is quite obviously drunk and decides to make a problem out of something trivial while I’m having to have a quiet drink. It’s all a matter of how I’m feeling and how bad the situation is.
This is not a free country by any means, and no-one said it was. Still, that’s a better preference than having a country that always harks on about it’s freedoms of speech, freedoms of movement etc and then has one of the worst track records for racial intolerance, lack of respect for people even thinking certain things and an increasingly nosy system of policing that would put Big Brother in the shade (and no, I’m not talking about that TV trash show) What does all this mean to me? Well, I think smokers do have a hard time, but I think part of it is that people are worried about their health and even (at times) other people’s health. The problem is that they seem to go about it the wrong way and try to shove the whole thing down smoker’s throats by whining and hoping that the smoker will get fed up and break down! Do I smoke? Not tobacco, no, but I’ve tried it and never saw the attraction. There you go, personal choice and informed too. Equally, I don’t go out every week to get completely drunk, but prefer a nice pint or bottle of beer with a meal, or a bottle of wine if the evening serves. The point is that as long as people are aware of the effects of these pass-times, then they can make an informed decision and do what they want.
It’s like parachuting. (Bear with me here) You don’t jump out of the plane knowing that everything is ok. Anything could happen and you are aware that one of these days your chute won’t open, you won’t land properly or you’ll land on something that disagrees with your legs. Smoking is the same, you don’t get guaranteed cancer, otherwise it would be a popular pastime for suicide attempts, but there is a big risk and it’s really up to you whether you take it. When you jump out that plane, you don’t pull anyone out with you unless they’ve got a parachute and want to partake in falling through the sky at tremendous speeds. Likewise, most decent smokers won’t light up in public without asking if anyone minds, unless everyone around them is a smoker.
I find lots of things annoying at different times. Smokers who light up and blow smoke in my face soon find out that I don't like it, but I'm quite happy for people in a group to smoke and I have many friends that do. All of these are pretty courteous about it too and always ask if lighting up in confined areas. The thing is, I can equally get angry about some big sweaty oaf that sits beside me on a bus after jogging 15 miles and then invades my air with a pungent smell of their own body odour, or someone who is quite obviously drunk and decides to make a problem out of something trivial while I’m having to have a quiet drink. It’s all a matter of how I’m feeling and how bad the situation is.
This is not a free country by any means, and no-one said it was. Still, that’s a better preference than having a country that always harks on about it’s freedoms of speech, freedoms of movement etc and then has one of the worst track records for racial intolerance, lack of respect for people even thinking certain things and an increasingly nosy system of policing that would put Big Brother in the shade (and no, I’m not talking about that TV trash show) What does all this mean to me? Well, I think smokers do have a hard time, but I think part of it is that people are worried about their health and even (at times) other people’s health. The problem is that they seem to go about it the wrong way and try to shove the whole thing down smoker’s throats by whining and hoping that the smoker will get fed up and break down! Do I smoke? Not tobacco, no, but I’ve tried it and never saw the attraction. There you go, personal choice and informed too. Equally, I don’t go out every week to get completely drunk, but prefer a nice pint or bottle of beer with a meal, or a bottle of wine if the evening serves. The point is that as long as people are aware of the effects of these pass-times, then they can make an informed decision and do what they want.
It’s like parachuting. (Bear with me here) You don’t jump out of the plane knowing that everything is ok. Anything could happen and you are aware that one of these days your chute won’t open, you won’t land properly or you’ll land on something that disagrees with your legs. Smoking is the same, you don’t get guaranteed cancer, otherwise it would be a popular pastime for suicide attempts, but there is a big risk and it’s really up to you whether you take it. When you jump out that plane, you don’t pull anyone out with you unless they’ve got a parachute and want to partake in falling through the sky at tremendous speeds. Likewise, most decent smokers won’t light up in public without asking if anyone minds, unless everyone around them is a smoker.
"I'm glad you don't want me to die Dan, I don't want you to either. But the unavoidable fact is that you will, whether I want you to or not. Maybe it will be because of your lifestyle, who knows? "
There is no point escaping death, but I'll live as long as I can, and so I'll live my life as healthily as I can.
Good Riddance to the plague.
There is no point escaping death, but I'll live as long as I can, and so I'll live my life as healthily as I can.
Good Riddance to the plague.
Aliboy asked the questions, I answered them. It's as simple as that.
I wasn't looking for justification, or a response from anybody on the replies that I made to his questions. If you choose to do so then that's your prerogative, just as it is my decision and mine alone whether or not I smoke. I'm not looking for your sympathy Dan, just the freedom to live my life as I choose, within the boundaries of reason.
I didn't state that I don't care when I die, but that I choose to accept the health risks involved, as I choose to accept the health risks involved with countless other things that I/we encounter during our lives. I know what smoking does to me, as I know what drinking alcohol does, or eating the wrong foods, or not exercising enough.
The list is endless. I was merely making the statement (perhaps too bluntly), and I choose my words carefully bearing in mind Sheepy's post, for which I am sincerely sorry for his and his families loss, that eventually we go the same way at any point and any time, no matter how we have lived our lives.
Though it is true, that people are addicted to smoking and require help to stop. I don't think anybody is arguing that. I don't think that I fall into this category as I don't smoke that heavily, my girlfriend wants me to stop and I probably will in time. It might be too late, it might not.
Yes there are young and impressionable people that post on this forum, but this is not a topic that is best suited to these people, if they are unable to differentiate between me saying I like to smoke and me saying 'Go on, have a fag'. I don't encourage anybody to smoke, I never have and I never will. Cigarettes are intended for adult use only, at the point when the law dictates that we are old enough to make our own decisions about the way we live our lives. Underage smoking goes on though, just as underage anything else does. I think people are best off looking at society as a whole for the causes of these issues, rather than suggesting anything else.
After all, safe drivers are not held responsible for reckless drivers, why should adults who smoke 'conscientiously' be held responsible for those who do not. I don't smoke in my house, around my family members who don't smoke, in environments such as restaurants or other public gatherings where smoking is not accepted. I do my level best not to afflict my habit on those who don't want anything to do with it.
Smoking costs money, but I can't save to save my life (how ironic that sounds) anyway, I'd only chuck it away on some other form of brain/body rotting experience that is pretty much unavoidable anyway. Computer games spring to my apparently slowed mind due to over exposure to whizzing pixels in my youth.
I'm glad you don't want me to die Dan, I don't want you to either. But the unavoidable fact is that you will, whether I want you to or not. Maybe it will be because of your lifestyle, who knows?
I don't, so I won't tell you how to live your life. That's for you to decide.
I wasn't looking for justification, or a response from anybody on the replies that I made to his questions. If you choose to do so then that's your prerogative, just as it is my decision and mine alone whether or not I smoke. I'm not looking for your sympathy Dan, just the freedom to live my life as I choose, within the boundaries of reason.
I didn't state that I don't care when I die, but that I choose to accept the health risks involved, as I choose to accept the health risks involved with countless other things that I/we encounter during our lives. I know what smoking does to me, as I know what drinking alcohol does, or eating the wrong foods, or not exercising enough.
The list is endless. I was merely making the statement (perhaps too bluntly), and I choose my words carefully bearing in mind Sheepy's post, for which I am sincerely sorry for his and his families loss, that eventually we go the same way at any point and any time, no matter how we have lived our lives.
Though it is true, that people are addicted to smoking and require help to stop. I don't think anybody is arguing that. I don't think that I fall into this category as I don't smoke that heavily, my girlfriend wants me to stop and I probably will in time. It might be too late, it might not.
Yes there are young and impressionable people that post on this forum, but this is not a topic that is best suited to these people, if they are unable to differentiate between me saying I like to smoke and me saying 'Go on, have a fag'. I don't encourage anybody to smoke, I never have and I never will. Cigarettes are intended for adult use only, at the point when the law dictates that we are old enough to make our own decisions about the way we live our lives. Underage smoking goes on though, just as underage anything else does. I think people are best off looking at society as a whole for the causes of these issues, rather than suggesting anything else.
After all, safe drivers are not held responsible for reckless drivers, why should adults who smoke 'conscientiously' be held responsible for those who do not. I don't smoke in my house, around my family members who don't smoke, in environments such as restaurants or other public gatherings where smoking is not accepted. I do my level best not to afflict my habit on those who don't want anything to do with it.
Smoking costs money, but I can't save to save my life (how ironic that sounds) anyway, I'd only chuck it away on some other form of brain/body rotting experience that is pretty much unavoidable anyway. Computer games spring to my apparently slowed mind due to over exposure to whizzing pixels in my youth.
I'm glad you don't want me to die Dan, I don't want you to either. But the unavoidable fact is that you will, whether I want you to or not. Maybe it will be because of your lifestyle, who knows?
I don't, so I won't tell you how to live your life. That's for you to decide.
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