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Sorry sorry sorry for that horrible title... but I had to think of something.
All I can say is wow, this seems an amazing Idea... Before Rickoss harps on about the Virtual Boy and 64DD may I point out that the VB enduced headaches which was why it failed and the 64DD was released too late.
This new DS probably means Nintendo are to abandon their GBA connectivity feature as this essentially does the same thing!!!!! For those who haven't read the press release I will put it down below, but this is a really fantastic original and pure fun idea.
In a shocking announcement which is set to rock the gaming world, Nintendo have released details of their forthcoming DS Portable gaming system. Rumours began flying a few weeks ago after mysterious words were uttered from Nintendo spokes people regarding a new machine. Some thought the machine would be the fabled “Game Boy Enhanced” with the mighty power to play Game Boy Advance AND Gamecube games, however this is not the case.
This surprising move from Nintendo sees them releasing a third stand-alone portable system to take games playing and interactivity to a completely different plane of existence! This new machine will feature not one but two 3” TFT LCD screens to allow for greater scope and perspective on the games. The two screens will be backlit to allow for poor-light play. The main processor is pparently an "ARM 9" with the Sub-processor an "ARM 7".
Here’s the official word from Nintendo:
”Players can look forward to being able to manage their game progress from two different perspectives, enhancing both the speed and strategy of the challenge. For example in a football game, you can view the whole game on one screen, while simultaneously focusing on an individual footballer's tackle or goal on the other screen. Players will no longer be forced to interrupt game play to shift perspective, such as moving from a wide shot to a close up, or alternating between a character's ongoing battle and a map of their environment. Nintendo DS makes it possible to perform the tasks in real time by simply glancing from one screen to the other.”
Self-styled “Funny Man of Gaming” and Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had this to say on the new product:
"We have developed Nintendo DS based upon a completely different concept from existing game devices in order to provide players with a unique entertainment experience for the 21st century"
The Nintendo DS will feature two separate screens, separate processors and a semiconductor memory of up to 1 gigabit. It will be marketed and sold as a separate entity to Game Boy Advance and the Gamecube systems. More information will be available at E3 when the system will be fully unveiled for the first time. Nintendo says we can expect a world-wide launch before the end of the year!
Cube-Europe.
DUDE!
All I can say is wow, this seems an amazing Idea... Before Rickoss harps on about the Virtual Boy and 64DD may I point out that the VB enduced headaches which was why it failed and the 64DD was released too late.
This new DS probably means Nintendo are to abandon their GBA connectivity feature as this essentially does the same thing!!!!! For those who haven't read the press release I will put it down below, but this is a really fantastic original and pure fun idea.
In a shocking announcement which is set to rock the gaming world, Nintendo have released details of their forthcoming DS Portable gaming system. Rumours began flying a few weeks ago after mysterious words were uttered from Nintendo spokes people regarding a new machine. Some thought the machine would be the fabled “Game Boy Enhanced” with the mighty power to play Game Boy Advance AND Gamecube games, however this is not the case.
This surprising move from Nintendo sees them releasing a third stand-alone portable system to take games playing and interactivity to a completely different plane of existence! This new machine will feature not one but two 3” TFT LCD screens to allow for greater scope and perspective on the games. The two screens will be backlit to allow for poor-light play. The main processor is pparently an "ARM 9" with the Sub-processor an "ARM 7".
Here’s the official word from Nintendo:
”Players can look forward to being able to manage their game progress from two different perspectives, enhancing both the speed and strategy of the challenge. For example in a football game, you can view the whole game on one screen, while simultaneously focusing on an individual footballer's tackle or goal on the other screen. Players will no longer be forced to interrupt game play to shift perspective, such as moving from a wide shot to a close up, or alternating between a character's ongoing battle and a map of their environment. Nintendo DS makes it possible to perform the tasks in real time by simply glancing from one screen to the other.”
Self-styled “Funny Man of Gaming” and Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had this to say on the new product:
"We have developed Nintendo DS based upon a completely different concept from existing game devices in order to provide players with a unique entertainment experience for the 21st century"
The Nintendo DS will feature two separate screens, separate processors and a semiconductor memory of up to 1 gigabit. It will be marketed and sold as a separate entity to Game Boy Advance and the Gamecube systems. More information will be available at E3 when the system will be fully unveiled for the first time. Nintendo says we can expect a world-wide launch before the end of the year!
Cube-Europe.
DUDE!
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Link to one that predates your post that isn't a concept picture and I'll mail you £1000.
To get you started: These pics don't count, they're concept art:
http://special.reserve.co.uk/news/story.php?id=2911
To get you started: These pics don't count, they're concept art:
http://special.reserve.co.uk/news/story.php?id=2911
Sony have released official PSP pictures...
/ £240 - ukdvd.com
FantasyMeister wrote:
A
> good portable DVD movie player would set people back £500 these
> days, so £300 is still reasonable considering what the PSP is
> currently specified to do.
>
£250 - www.argos.co.uk
A
> good portable DVD movie player would set people back £500 these
> days, so £300 is still reasonable considering what the PSP is
> currently specified to do.
>
£250 - www.argos.co.uk
Yukikaze wrote:
> I knew enough to predict that this annoucement would not be
> the new Nintendo console
Erm... Nintendo said it wasn't going to be the new home console.
> I knew enough to predict that this annoucement would not be
> the new Nintendo console
Erm... Nintendo said it wasn't going to be the new home console.
Edgy wrote:
> Yukikaze wrote:
> FantasyMeister wrote:
> The PSP hasn't even been made yet, let alone advertised.
> Pokemon has been a multibillion industry since it hit the Gameboy 8
> years ago.
>
> Exactly. A machine that most people have barely seen yet, we know
> nothing about the games (though the new Edge has a few details about
> there being one game each at least from Namco, Koei, Konami, Capcom,
> Sega and Square, as well as first party titles all at launch) and
> people want it, magazines are talking about it. You don't go into
> any
> forum and see any criticism of it. Then compare to this new Nintendo
> thing. Also Pokemon HAS been a great industry. HAS. Not is. HAS.
>
> Actually, I have seen criticism of it. People noting that the screen
> on the picture looks rather fake, even if it is an official picture
> for example.
Hi,
Considering the PSP hasn't been made yet, all pictures of it are fake, and therefore anything depicted on its screen in an artist's impression is also fake.
The criticism I've seen most often is mainly the £200-£300 price, but those criticisms come from the people who really only expect the same functionality as a GBA SP. A good portable DVD movie player would set people back £500 these days, so £300 is still reasonable considering what the PSP is currently specified to do.
So apart from that, the danger of it cracking in half if you sat down on it and Sony taking a big risk by diversifying when they perhaps should be concentrating on their Network Gaming instead, those are the only valid criticisms I've seen so far.
> Yukikaze wrote:
> FantasyMeister wrote:
> The PSP hasn't even been made yet, let alone advertised.
> Pokemon has been a multibillion industry since it hit the Gameboy 8
> years ago.
>
> Exactly. A machine that most people have barely seen yet, we know
> nothing about the games (though the new Edge has a few details about
> there being one game each at least from Namco, Koei, Konami, Capcom,
> Sega and Square, as well as first party titles all at launch) and
> people want it, magazines are talking about it. You don't go into
> any
> forum and see any criticism of it. Then compare to this new Nintendo
> thing. Also Pokemon HAS been a great industry. HAS. Not is. HAS.
>
> Actually, I have seen criticism of it. People noting that the screen
> on the picture looks rather fake, even if it is an official picture
> for example.
Hi,
Considering the PSP hasn't been made yet, all pictures of it are fake, and therefore anything depicted on its screen in an artist's impression is also fake.
The criticism I've seen most often is mainly the £200-£300 price, but those criticisms come from the people who really only expect the same functionality as a GBA SP. A good portable DVD movie player would set people back £500 these days, so £300 is still reasonable considering what the PSP is currently specified to do.
So apart from that, the danger of it cracking in half if you sat down on it and Sony taking a big risk by diversifying when they perhaps should be concentrating on their Network Gaming instead, those are the only valid criticisms I've seen so far.
It would be extremely short sighted of any fan of a particular machine to believe that there hasn't been any criticism of their favourite machines on forums.
Edgy wrote:
> Actually, I have seen criticism of it. People noting that the screen
> on the picture looks rather fake, even if it is an official picture
> for example.
In fact, I've seen nothing BUT criticism of it.
> Actually, I have seen criticism of it. People noting that the screen
> on the picture looks rather fake, even if it is an official picture
> for example.
In fact, I've seen nothing BUT criticism of it.
No, I mean you don't know as much about gaming and gamers in general as you make out.
Yukikaze wrote:
> FantasyMeister wrote:
> The PSP hasn't even been made yet, let alone advertised.
> Pokemon has been a multibillion industry since it hit the Gameboy 8
> years ago.
>
> Exactly. A machine that most people have barely seen yet, we know
> nothing about the games (though the new Edge has a few details about
> there being one game each at least from Namco, Koei, Konami, Capcom,
> Sega and Square, as well as first party titles all at launch) and
> people want it, magazines are talking about it. You don't go into any
> forum and see any criticism of it. Then compare to this new Nintendo
> thing. Also Pokemon HAS been a great industry. HAS. Not is. HAS.
Actually, I have seen criticism of it. People noting that the screen on the picture looks rather fake, even if it is an official picture for example.
Pokémon is STILL a great industry. The games may not be considered as good, as they haven't got the originality they once had, however, they are still enough to sell high amounts of Game Boy Advance SPs, including the limited edition versions they created. The shop I work at (until Tuesday) is actually sold out of Ruby and Sapphire and there's still high demand.
>
> >think about it this way, the Gameboy
> series of handhelds has been out there for years. If people haven't
> bought one by now, the chances are they're never going to anyway.
>
> Which leaves one hell of a lot of people who play and buy games but
> have not been sold a handheld. Think about it this way. Kids grow up
> (shock horror), and most kids change in what they like. If you bought
> the original Pokemon there are pretty good odds you now despise
> Pokemon. You, as a consumer, will not buy something because of
> Pokemon anymore.
>
That could be said about any series on the Playstation One and Two too. Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, there's a pretty high chance that someone somewhere bought the first versions on these consoles and now despises the series. The fact is Pokémon STILL sells very well, and even the original Super Mario games do too, despite them being almost identical ports. The amount of people after Super Mario Advance 4 is shockingly high!
> And for future handhelds, which would you prefer for your gaming on
> the go?
> £50 handheld that plays Pokemon and other neat titles?
> £250 device that plays games, movies, online compatibility,
> PS2
> ports, MP3's etc.
>
> The one with the best games and the best features from a company
> which has a record of success - waste of time buying a £50
> machine if I am bored of it after a while and the games are crap or
> not varied enough. As it is not even the SP retails at £50 and
> the PSP is going to be about £200, I see the DS going for
> £129 probably, certainly not £50 unless Nintendo are
> prepared to make mass losses on hardware.
>
To be fair, chances are the games on the PSP are going to be even less varied than the GBA. The GBA's games are extremely varied! Moreso than the NES, SNES, Game Gear, Master System and MegaDrive. Sure, you may not be keen on the games on the GBA, but you as one person don't speak for the majority of gamers.
> I know which one the parents would go for for their kids, the
> £50 handheld that concentrates on games is always going to be
> the Christmas seller.
>
> Well, from rather limited experience, I can say parents on the whole
Quite contradictory...
> buy what their kids ask for and not just the cheapest thing. Yes some
> will, but most know that if littly Billy asks for console X and
> receives console Y then Christmas Day will be a living hell and
> console Y will be returned to the store on Boxing Day.
>
This Christmas, parents have been buying the cheaper consoles in my store: The Nintendo GameCube and the Playstation 2 (with various deals making them cheaper than the Xbox) are the consoles I have sold the most. And when 'The Simpsons Hit & Run' was released, we had extra stock of "The Simpsons Road Rage" sent to the store, which sold out extremely quickly because parents preferred to spend £20 instead of £40. The fact is, parents DO go for the cheaper stuff the majority of the time, as they feel their kids wont know any better. We all know the kids normally do notice the difference, but most kids aren't ungrateful little brats at Christmas, and are still happy anyway.
> PSP is a whole different market, therefore Nintendo shouldn't be
> worried. Their DS system just seems to be a panic reaction, as
> someone said earlier there's nothing wrong with the existing
> Nintendo
> handheld systems.
>
> They should though. Nintendo needs new markets to expand its appeal
> and survive. People said the same when the Playstation launched. It
> was going after different markets at first, now people from age 5
> onwards have them. Nintendo has sold less Cubes than N64 consoles, so
> either that many people stopped gaming altogether in large numbers,
> or they went elsewhere. I'll bet they have a Sony now, or an Xbox.
> The same could happen with handhelds quite easily, and rapidly
> because Nintendo do not seem to realise the situation and they do not
> seem capable of reacting convincingly to competition.
I'd like to see some figures there - from an official source - as I find it hard to believe the GameCube hasn't sold as well as the Nintendo 64. Nintendo are very capable of reacting to competition - they're more realistic, for example, they have admitted that they're not competing against the Playstation 2 as they know they can't - not because of advertising, or the DVD playback, or any of that, it is because there are too many PS2s already in peoples homes. The only mainstream console that they consider competition at the moment is the Xbox - to which they're fighting a good battle - although closer than both sides would like I imagine.
Yukikaze wrote:
> FantasyMeister wrote:
> The PSP hasn't even been made yet, let alone advertised.
> Pokemon has been a multibillion industry since it hit the Gameboy 8
> years ago.
>
> Exactly. A machine that most people have barely seen yet, we know
> nothing about the games (though the new Edge has a few details about
> there being one game each at least from Namco, Koei, Konami, Capcom,
> Sega and Square, as well as first party titles all at launch) and
> people want it, magazines are talking about it. You don't go into any
> forum and see any criticism of it. Then compare to this new Nintendo
> thing. Also Pokemon HAS been a great industry. HAS. Not is. HAS.
Actually, I have seen criticism of it. People noting that the screen on the picture looks rather fake, even if it is an official picture for example.
Pokémon is STILL a great industry. The games may not be considered as good, as they haven't got the originality they once had, however, they are still enough to sell high amounts of Game Boy Advance SPs, including the limited edition versions they created. The shop I work at (until Tuesday) is actually sold out of Ruby and Sapphire and there's still high demand.
>
> >think about it this way, the Gameboy
> series of handhelds has been out there for years. If people haven't
> bought one by now, the chances are they're never going to anyway.
>
> Which leaves one hell of a lot of people who play and buy games but
> have not been sold a handheld. Think about it this way. Kids grow up
> (shock horror), and most kids change in what they like. If you bought
> the original Pokemon there are pretty good odds you now despise
> Pokemon. You, as a consumer, will not buy something because of
> Pokemon anymore.
>
That could be said about any series on the Playstation One and Two too. Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, there's a pretty high chance that someone somewhere bought the first versions on these consoles and now despises the series. The fact is Pokémon STILL sells very well, and even the original Super Mario games do too, despite them being almost identical ports. The amount of people after Super Mario Advance 4 is shockingly high!
> And for future handhelds, which would you prefer for your gaming on
> the go?
> £50 handheld that plays Pokemon and other neat titles?
> £250 device that plays games, movies, online compatibility,
> PS2
> ports, MP3's etc.
>
> The one with the best games and the best features from a company
> which has a record of success - waste of time buying a £50
> machine if I am bored of it after a while and the games are crap or
> not varied enough. As it is not even the SP retails at £50 and
> the PSP is going to be about £200, I see the DS going for
> £129 probably, certainly not £50 unless Nintendo are
> prepared to make mass losses on hardware.
>
To be fair, chances are the games on the PSP are going to be even less varied than the GBA. The GBA's games are extremely varied! Moreso than the NES, SNES, Game Gear, Master System and MegaDrive. Sure, you may not be keen on the games on the GBA, but you as one person don't speak for the majority of gamers.
> I know which one the parents would go for for their kids, the
> £50 handheld that concentrates on games is always going to be
> the Christmas seller.
>
> Well, from rather limited experience, I can say parents on the whole
Quite contradictory...
> buy what their kids ask for and not just the cheapest thing. Yes some
> will, but most know that if littly Billy asks for console X and
> receives console Y then Christmas Day will be a living hell and
> console Y will be returned to the store on Boxing Day.
>
This Christmas, parents have been buying the cheaper consoles in my store: The Nintendo GameCube and the Playstation 2 (with various deals making them cheaper than the Xbox) are the consoles I have sold the most. And when 'The Simpsons Hit & Run' was released, we had extra stock of "The Simpsons Road Rage" sent to the store, which sold out extremely quickly because parents preferred to spend £20 instead of £40. The fact is, parents DO go for the cheaper stuff the majority of the time, as they feel their kids wont know any better. We all know the kids normally do notice the difference, but most kids aren't ungrateful little brats at Christmas, and are still happy anyway.
> PSP is a whole different market, therefore Nintendo shouldn't be
> worried. Their DS system just seems to be a panic reaction, as
> someone said earlier there's nothing wrong with the existing
> Nintendo
> handheld systems.
>
> They should though. Nintendo needs new markets to expand its appeal
> and survive. People said the same when the Playstation launched. It
> was going after different markets at first, now people from age 5
> onwards have them. Nintendo has sold less Cubes than N64 consoles, so
> either that many people stopped gaming altogether in large numbers,
> or they went elsewhere. I'll bet they have a Sony now, or an Xbox.
> The same could happen with handhelds quite easily, and rapidly
> because Nintendo do not seem to realise the situation and they do not
> seem capable of reacting convincingly to competition.
I'd like to see some figures there - from an official source - as I find it hard to believe the GameCube hasn't sold as well as the Nintendo 64. Nintendo are very capable of reacting to competition - they're more realistic, for example, they have admitted that they're not competing against the Playstation 2 as they know they can't - not because of advertising, or the DVD playback, or any of that, it is because there are too many PS2s already in peoples homes. The only mainstream console that they consider competition at the moment is the Xbox - to which they're fighting a good battle - although closer than both sides would like I imagine.
Edgy wrote:
> Yukikaze, I am going to keep this short unless you force me to do
> otherwise:
>
> You know very little about what you're talking about. Your last post
> in here clealy demonstrates that.
Really? I knew enough to predict that this annoucement would not be the new Nintendo console...and I said it would be another gimmick, which this is. I think what you mean is I am not over-realistically optimistic about this machine. Not one of you can come up with a decent reason why it will be good. Even if the Sharp rumours are true - that Nintendo has a deal with them to use their 3D screen technology - that still poses the problem of a person focusing on two screens at once for that technology to work.
At best it will be like Snuggly says - a 32X all over again - one hit wonder. Sure, Nintendo fans are sold on it largely, but not the mass market and that is where the money is.
As it is if Dringo is right and the machine will have 3 first party titles for Xmas in Japan then it is launching after the PSP which is basically instant death for it. EA has reportedly recruited a 150 strong team to develop for the PSP according to Edge magazine, which is a pretty strong comittment on EA's part.
And yes, Pokemon was the biggest selling game of the year...for Nintendo. The best selling games of the year (all formats) were all for the PS2.
> Yukikaze, I am going to keep this short unless you force me to do
> otherwise:
>
> You know very little about what you're talking about. Your last post
> in here clealy demonstrates that.
Really? I knew enough to predict that this annoucement would not be the new Nintendo console...and I said it would be another gimmick, which this is. I think what you mean is I am not over-realistically optimistic about this machine. Not one of you can come up with a decent reason why it will be good. Even if the Sharp rumours are true - that Nintendo has a deal with them to use their 3D screen technology - that still poses the problem of a person focusing on two screens at once for that technology to work.
At best it will be like Snuggly says - a 32X all over again - one hit wonder. Sure, Nintendo fans are sold on it largely, but not the mass market and that is where the money is.
As it is if Dringo is right and the machine will have 3 first party titles for Xmas in Japan then it is launching after the PSP which is basically instant death for it. EA has reportedly recruited a 150 strong team to develop for the PSP according to Edge magazine, which is a pretty strong comittment on EA's part.
And yes, Pokemon was the biggest selling game of the year...for Nintendo. The best selling games of the year (all formats) were all for the PS2.
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