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.....stunning. Stunning, i thought i would never say that about a film that is based on a computer game (well sort of) and is completely computer generated.
The graphics/animation is the best i have seen anywhere, let alone in a film. The level of detail on the characters faces is breath taking and looks very much like a real persons face. Even on the close up shot with the main character, you can see the skin imperfections and it looks very, very real. The characters move like people do, either be it walking along a corridor or scrabbling up a recently destroyed building wall to reach the top. The audio and music is very good as well. The sounds are very realistic from the voices of the characters to the sounds of feet walking alone a pebbled/rubbled terrain. The music is powerful and used in certain parts of the film to add to the effect of the current situation.
Forgetting the fact that the visuals are very impressive the plot is worth a mention. This film isn't just hoping to get somewhere due to the very good animation the plot is something you would expect from Square. Some of the ideas in the film are very original, interesting and weird! I don't want to give to much away if you haven't see it already (and you SHOULD have!!!) but it a decent plot which doesn't look like it has any trouble moving alone as you watch the film. You are never at one point bombarded with so much information that you are overwhelmed and haven’t got a clue what is going but neither are you picking your nails or looking round the cinema for something interesting. The start of the film is slightly odd but it does explain itself. The film also has so much emotion. You'll either be cheering on the squad of marines or the individual characters as they try and make a difference. You'll hate the main "bad-guy" and you'll feel a little bit sadder when somebody dies. Add to this the music, the sounds and the facial expression of the characters and you've got a well put together film which deserves praise.
The bottom line is this film is excellent and by far the best film i have seen this year. Even if you are not into the Final Fantasy series (i've only played FF8) the film has nothing to do with any of the games. If you make one trip to the cinema, it should be to watch Final Fantasy: The Sprits Within.
Darkreaper
The graphics/animation is the best i have seen anywhere, let alone in a film. The level of detail on the characters faces is breath taking and looks very much like a real persons face. Even on the close up shot with the main character, you can see the skin imperfections and it looks very, very real. The characters move like people do, either be it walking along a corridor or scrabbling up a recently destroyed building wall to reach the top. The audio and music is very good as well. The sounds are very realistic from the voices of the characters to the sounds of feet walking alone a pebbled/rubbled terrain. The music is powerful and used in certain parts of the film to add to the effect of the current situation.
Forgetting the fact that the visuals are very impressive the plot is worth a mention. This film isn't just hoping to get somewhere due to the very good animation the plot is something you would expect from Square. Some of the ideas in the film are very original, interesting and weird! I don't want to give to much away if you haven't see it already (and you SHOULD have!!!) but it a decent plot which doesn't look like it has any trouble moving alone as you watch the film. You are never at one point bombarded with so much information that you are overwhelmed and haven’t got a clue what is going but neither are you picking your nails or looking round the cinema for something interesting. The start of the film is slightly odd but it does explain itself. The film also has so much emotion. You'll either be cheering on the squad of marines or the individual characters as they try and make a difference. You'll hate the main "bad-guy" and you'll feel a little bit sadder when somebody dies. Add to this the music, the sounds and the facial expression of the characters and you've got a well put together film which deserves praise.
The bottom line is this film is excellent and by far the best film i have seen this year. Even if you are not into the Final Fantasy series (i've only played FF8) the film has nothing to do with any of the games. If you make one trip to the cinema, it should be to watch Final Fantasy: The Sprits Within.
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I thought it was a good film. The CGI is amazing and at times they do seem like real people, or that might have been because I watched it on a 15in Monitor in a wide screen picture.
I like films, this one was rubbish, I said so. How did you get Final Fantasy fan from that?
Just wondering.
Just wondering.
Dr Gonzo and hironobo sakaguchi
sitting in a tree
k i s s i n g
First comes hate, then comes marriage
Here comes Gonzo with a copy of the film!!!
You sound just like someone who came into work.
You could tell he was a Hardcore fan of the series
and had let himself get so built up by the film he almost cried i bet when he watched.
Sitting in his cinema chair rocking back and forth going
"why...why.. i thought you loved me hironobu"
Lol
Either that or he was just saying it cos his freind was a fan liked teh film and he just wanted to annoy him.
sitting in a tree
k i s s i n g
First comes hate, then comes marriage
Here comes Gonzo with a copy of the film!!!
You sound just like someone who came into work.
You could tell he was a Hardcore fan of the series
and had let himself get so built up by the film he almost cried i bet when he watched.
Sitting in his cinema chair rocking back and forth going
"why...why.. i thought you loved me hironobu"
Lol
Either that or he was just saying it cos his freind was a fan liked teh film and he just wanted to annoy him.
Please never mention my name - espically when talking such nonsense.
hmm lot of chatting in here.
I thought the film was good.
Dr Gonzo just sounds like a ff fan who let himself
be tricked by all this hype about how realistic and amazing the graphs were and allowed himself to be swayed by the
ff name in the title.
I liked the film although the plot borrowed ideas from 7.
The actors do show emotion in the film although the bit i found they did the worst was aki crying her face didnt change enough the rest of it was dopne well enough.
I thouhgt dr cid looked teh most realistic out fo them all and was teh only one i would have mistaked for human.
Excellent animation skills obviously a hell of a lot of time spent investigating human movements and motion capture.
I like the fact there wasnt a text book ending.
Anyone else expecting gray to wake up and for tehre to be a happy ever after.
I agree in that teh film couldnt have been made in real-life. Not without a hell of a budget.
True that some of the affects from the film had been done before. An apocolyptic futurisic new york has been made before, weve seen spacships flying etc but has it all been put into a film and woven together so believably ?
Its the little differences
explain
well over there they dont call it a big mac and cheese tehy call it le bigmac....
soz wrong film
But none the less a lot of time went into the film
and ive just got bored writing this so
p.s the east puts out some excellent mangas.
Ghost in the shell
Wings of honnieamise
Fist of the north star
Ninja Scroll
Some excellent fantasy and Sci-fi/tecnhopunk stuff
As with our industry they also put out a lot of cr@p
I thought the film was good.
Dr Gonzo just sounds like a ff fan who let himself
be tricked by all this hype about how realistic and amazing the graphs were and allowed himself to be swayed by the
ff name in the title.
I liked the film although the plot borrowed ideas from 7.
The actors do show emotion in the film although the bit i found they did the worst was aki crying her face didnt change enough the rest of it was dopne well enough.
I thouhgt dr cid looked teh most realistic out fo them all and was teh only one i would have mistaked for human.
Excellent animation skills obviously a hell of a lot of time spent investigating human movements and motion capture.
I like the fact there wasnt a text book ending.
Anyone else expecting gray to wake up and for tehre to be a happy ever after.
I agree in that teh film couldnt have been made in real-life. Not without a hell of a budget.
True that some of the affects from the film had been done before. An apocolyptic futurisic new york has been made before, weve seen spacships flying etc but has it all been put into a film and woven together so believably ?
Its the little differences
explain
well over there they dont call it a big mac and cheese tehy call it le bigmac....
soz wrong film
But none the less a lot of time went into the film
and ive just got bored writing this so
p.s the east puts out some excellent mangas.
Ghost in the shell
Wings of honnieamise
Fist of the north star
Ninja Scroll
Some excellent fantasy and Sci-fi/tecnhopunk stuff
As with our industry they also put out a lot of cr@p
It's a film about a computer game, with stuff nicked from Toy Story.
End of Story.
End of Story.
Dr Gonzo wrote:
> JESUS CHRIST
The son of God
- getting a little worked up are we?
No, just tied of repeating myslef and just tired.....
> For a start, the
> "Darkreaper wrote: things..." wasn't supposed to be a
> witty bon mot
Ah, point taken.
b) the plot isn't, IMO, "original" as you
> claimed. In fact the film as a whole is just like the hundred of
> other Manga films the East pump out... oh wait, that would be
> repeating myself.
I think that plot is original. What other Manga/Japanimation films have you seen with a similar plot? I do agree with you about the East anime production film thingy. A lot (well nearly all of them) of the animation films that come out of Japan are pants, but the good films are really good. Akira, Guyver, Macross Plus, Patlabour 2 and Ninja Scroll are just a few examples.
c) you seemed to totally miss the point of me
> questions the reasons of spending millions to re-create real things.
Ok, but it's all spent to make certain objects look "real" even though using the real would cost less but you could only use the real thing in certain parts of the film. It would look a bit tacky if every other object you saw was "real" and the other animated.
> Oh, and yes, the media
> have been kicking up a fuss about it - including BBC news reports on
> the "impending death" of human acting.
They didn't point out the FF film as it was just being made as they where talking about it. They where talking about Digital news readers and digital TV presenters, not the FF film.
Rember - we are talking about opinions
> on a film - do you really need to be so generous with the insults?
Ok, fair enough, but two things; i really dislike repeating myself and second insomnia isn't bringing the best out of me but that isn't an excuse. Sorry about the insults.
Ok let's finish this argument.
I think that it's a good film. Good animation, acting, etc. I think it would of cost more to make the film using "real" actors and scenery. I think the plot is original and good.
You didn't like the film. You thought the animation is poor the acting poor and that it would been cheaper to make the film using a mixture of real characters and animation. You think the plot isn't original.
Everybody has there opinion, i have mine, you have yours. It's obvious that we're not going to change each others mind so lets leave it. We both have good cases.
Sound fair?
Darkreaper
> JESUS CHRIST
The son of God
- getting a little worked up are we?
No, just tied of repeating myslef and just tired.....
> For a start, the
> "Darkreaper wrote: things..." wasn't supposed to be a
> witty bon mot
Ah, point taken.
b) the plot isn't, IMO, "original" as you
> claimed. In fact the film as a whole is just like the hundred of
> other Manga films the East pump out... oh wait, that would be
> repeating myself.
I think that plot is original. What other Manga/Japanimation films have you seen with a similar plot? I do agree with you about the East anime production film thingy. A lot (well nearly all of them) of the animation films that come out of Japan are pants, but the good films are really good. Akira, Guyver, Macross Plus, Patlabour 2 and Ninja Scroll are just a few examples.
c) you seemed to totally miss the point of me
> questions the reasons of spending millions to re-create real things.
Ok, but it's all spent to make certain objects look "real" even though using the real would cost less but you could only use the real thing in certain parts of the film. It would look a bit tacky if every other object you saw was "real" and the other animated.
> Oh, and yes, the media
> have been kicking up a fuss about it - including BBC news reports on
> the "impending death" of human acting.
They didn't point out the FF film as it was just being made as they where talking about it. They where talking about Digital news readers and digital TV presenters, not the FF film.
Rember - we are talking about opinions
> on a film - do you really need to be so generous with the insults?
Ok, fair enough, but two things; i really dislike repeating myself and second insomnia isn't bringing the best out of me but that isn't an excuse. Sorry about the insults.
Ok let's finish this argument.
I think that it's a good film. Good animation, acting, etc. I think it would of cost more to make the film using "real" actors and scenery. I think the plot is original and good.
You didn't like the film. You thought the animation is poor the acting poor and that it would been cheaper to make the film using a mixture of real characters and animation. You think the plot isn't original.
Everybody has there opinion, i have mine, you have yours. It's obvious that we're not going to change each others mind so lets leave it. We both have good cases.
Sound fair?
Darkreaper
If you thought that the final Fantasy film had no emotion and the story was cack, go back and watch it again, and realise at the end, that Aki Ross is pregnant with Gray's child, now say again it had no emotion.
:D
:D
JESUS CHRIST - getting a little worked up are we? For a start, the "Darkreaper wrote: things..." wasn't supposed to be a witty bon mot, simply an easy way of showing that I was replying to you without quoting your entire message.
And I did respond to comments you made in that:
a) it would not be hard to re-create the film with real life and CGI being merged, as you claimed in your post, examples given. In fact, it is part of daily movie making. The bit you seemed to miss the first time round was that I was suggesting some CGI/animation and some real life would be used. I helpfully gave the example of this being used nearly fifty years ago, yet reaching near perfection in such recient films as Titanic and T2.
b) the plot isn't, IMO, "original" as you claimed. In fact the film as a whole is just like the hundred of other Manga films the East pump out... oh wait, that would be repeating myself.
c) you seemed to totally miss the point of me questions the reasons of spending millions to re-create real things. Hence, animation should create a fantasy, not dither about trying to make animation life-like.
Now, I didn't break your post down and respond line for line, but when the post I'm responding to is a few scrolls away it isn't really necessary. Oh, and yes, the media have been kicking up a fuss about it - including BBC news reports on the "impending death" of human acting. In fact, if you scroll back a few weeks you'll see a thread about this from me - entitled Digital Actors.
Rember - we are talking about opinions on a film - do you really need to be so generous with the insults?
And I did respond to comments you made in that:
a) it would not be hard to re-create the film with real life and CGI being merged, as you claimed in your post, examples given. In fact, it is part of daily movie making. The bit you seemed to miss the first time round was that I was suggesting some CGI/animation and some real life would be used. I helpfully gave the example of this being used nearly fifty years ago, yet reaching near perfection in such recient films as Titanic and T2.
b) the plot isn't, IMO, "original" as you claimed. In fact the film as a whole is just like the hundred of other Manga films the East pump out... oh wait, that would be repeating myself.
c) you seemed to totally miss the point of me questions the reasons of spending millions to re-create real things. Hence, animation should create a fantasy, not dither about trying to make animation life-like.
Now, I didn't break your post down and respond line for line, but when the post I'm responding to is a few scrolls away it isn't really necessary. Oh, and yes, the media have been kicking up a fuss about it - including BBC news reports on the "impending death" of human acting. In fact, if you scroll back a few weeks you'll see a thread about this from me - entitled Digital Actors.
Rember - we are talking about opinions on a film - do you really need to be so generous with the insults?
Dr Gonzo wrote: nothing new, just moved the words about and repeated what had already been written. Couldn't really replay to anything i had said so TRIED to be witty by writing Darkreaper wrote: things.....oh that was so insulting!
Yawn! Unbelievably dull story,
> laughably bad "acting", if it didn't have Final Fantasy
> slapped on the tin and have an insane amount of money pumped into it, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.....
I'm sure you've already pointed this out. My replay is in my previous posts, just scroll down.
The whole point of animation is to create a fantasy
> world -
I think the important word is FANTASY. Isn't this word mentioned in the title? Not being picky if animation allows people to make fictional films, visual images etc without having to spend aload of money making the sets and so on.
not try and make reality out of pixles. Why spend literally
> millions animating a head of hair? Why not just use a real head of
> hair on a real actress? For goodness sake animation and humans have
> been merged together since the sixties.
The hair movement was based on real hair movement and if you used a real actress then everything else would have to real. Expenses would go up (for reasons i explained earlier but can' be bothered to type again) so more money would of had to of been spent making the film. How can you compare the animation quality of the sixties compared to the animation used in this film. Although humans have merged with animation since the sixties it was done very badly. Although it might look good at the time, it looks crap now. And i'm sure in about 40 years FF will look a bit "crap" but that's technology for you.
And the face animation was
> ludicrously bad - there was NO emotion. NONE.
Again you've already said this! Do you suffer from memory loss, or do you feel so insecure you have to repeat yourself over and over again so you might actually believe in what you are saying?
Oh, but that's
> right, it had Final Fantasy in the tag line and the media are
> kicking up a fuss about it, must have been great.
Apart from the odd TV ad how have the media "kicked up a fuss"? There has been the odd thing about the film.....on the Sci-fi channel, how many people actually watch that around the clock? Sorry if i'm missing something but i haven't heard anything on the News, from the BBC, Sky News or in fact any of the programmes that do actually talk about films. The only way this film will get mentioned on the news if it does very well or very bad.
Darkreaper
Yawn! Unbelievably dull story,
> laughably bad "acting", if it didn't have Final Fantasy
> slapped on the tin and have an insane amount of money pumped into it, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.....
I'm sure you've already pointed this out. My replay is in my previous posts, just scroll down.
The whole point of animation is to create a fantasy
> world -
I think the important word is FANTASY. Isn't this word mentioned in the title? Not being picky if animation allows people to make fictional films, visual images etc without having to spend aload of money making the sets and so on.
not try and make reality out of pixles. Why spend literally
> millions animating a head of hair? Why not just use a real head of
> hair on a real actress? For goodness sake animation and humans have
> been merged together since the sixties.
The hair movement was based on real hair movement and if you used a real actress then everything else would have to real. Expenses would go up (for reasons i explained earlier but can' be bothered to type again) so more money would of had to of been spent making the film. How can you compare the animation quality of the sixties compared to the animation used in this film. Although humans have merged with animation since the sixties it was done very badly. Although it might look good at the time, it looks crap now. And i'm sure in about 40 years FF will look a bit "crap" but that's technology for you.
And the face animation was
> ludicrously bad - there was NO emotion. NONE.
Again you've already said this! Do you suffer from memory loss, or do you feel so insecure you have to repeat yourself over and over again so you might actually believe in what you are saying?
Oh, but that's
> right, it had Final Fantasy in the tag line and the media are
> kicking up a fuss about it, must have been great.
Apart from the odd TV ad how have the media "kicked up a fuss"? There has been the odd thing about the film.....on the Sci-fi channel, how many people actually watch that around the clock? Sorry if i'm missing something but i haven't heard anything on the News, from the BBC, Sky News or in fact any of the programmes that do actually talk about films. The only way this film will get mentioned on the news if it does very well or very bad.
Darkreaper
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