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Nintendo are not the company that runs risks, this is why they have outlasted so many of their competitors. They are weary of losing money in Online gaming, they're nervous of the amount of money they can lose with mass advertisement and so their main new gameplay ideas such as the GBA-GC connection are on a small scale. But it is these lack of risks that created the Playstation, these lack of risks that mean year in year out Nintendo's sales are slowly depleating...
And so once again, much like this time last generation, we rely on Nintendo kicking butt with their next generation of systems. Why do "we" rely on this? Because dammit I WANT to play Driv3r, I WANT to play Hitman 3 and I WANT to play Grand Theft Auto... I don't care if they look crap (I know Hitman certainly doesn't) but if Nintendo want a cut of these system sellers they NEED to get a larger share of the market. And Nintendo aren't pretending otherwise.
The Gamecube 2, N5 or Dr. Doolittle's house of fun... whatever you want to call it WILL have specifications to match their rivals. Ignore Iwati going on about "no need for good graphics" they did that last time to some effect and Nintendo know the importance of multi-format titles. Hopefully Nintendo can continue their good ties with Capcom, EA, Namco and SEGA into the next generation because that will be damn useful. What games we are to recieve is up for speculation... Smash Brothers and Mario Kart seem a certainty as does a Mario game, whether this is the much touted Mario 128 or not is to be seen. Regardless we won't know anything until E3 2005 and so we will just have to wait and see.
Regarding The Gameboy next/extreme/advance 2/Dr. Doolittle house of fun... we can make a few more educated guesses about. The system will be released late in comparison to the PSP, it doesn't mean Nintendo are giving Sony a head start. The price of the PSP will mean the Gameboy Advance SP... coupled with a nice price cut will still enjoy the exact same success as before. Also Nintendo plan to steal alot of Sony's thunder with the DS... Sony going up against 2 Nintendo handhelds is very risky especially as both will undercut the price greatly. The IQue also gives a hint to what we can expect from the next Gameboy, the IQue has the power to play Nintendo 64 games and is the approximate size of an N64 controller, slap on a screen and you have a N64 handheld... easy. With the fast pacing improvements in technology we can expect a higher specifications system than THAT! What does this mean? Well it means yet ANOTHER re-release (Ocarina of Time was released 3 times last year!) of Ocarina of Time, we'll see the long lost Mario 64 on a handheld console and... as RARE are an official Gameboy developer we can expect Perfect Dark, Banjo and maybe even that PROPER re-make of Goldeneye we want to badly.
But these are systems for the back end of 2005/2006 or even 2007. Nintendo's big issue, their big hitter comes in the form of a third piller... the Nintendo DS. Criticised to start with but the public (62.2% in Japan anyway) are starting to come round, developers are getting very excited about it (93.3% of Japanese ones) and retailers are getting ready for it (64.4% Japanese ones at the moment). The Nintendo DS is a dual screen handheld system, conviently released around the same time as the PSP and plans to offer things not seen in the Gaming industry ever before. Dual Screen was done during the Game and Watch era to a slightly reductive affair but with different memory storage, new types of games, the possibilty of touch screen and wireless technology we can assume that Nintendo are pulling out all the stops hardware wise.
Despite how damn cool the entire idea sounds it is the developers that are truly excited. SEGA have recently declared their interest with Sonic Team's Yuji Naka saying:
"We've been waiting for this! We'll be sure to try out something new with this, and release something for the launch!"
Other developers have reported to say things such as "The roots of gaming are returning and it looks like they will put up a good fight", "It should allow the birth of a whole host of new ideas and play experiences that haven't existed before.", "Having two separately functioning screens suits the time perfectly - with users becoming increasingly multi-tasking." and Nintendo's own Camelot had this to say:
"In a game industry that is feeling more and more penned in, this should create a few openings."
Despite negative reports from the general public moaning about lack of concentration of next gen systems or new software for these systems, the gaming world is getting ready for it... in fantastic anticipation. Developers are all discussing the possibilities of this new handheld, such as Koei who stated:
"I think we can make an interesting game with one screen for the large-scale battle with the other screen focusing on a local battle, in historical strategy games, and so on."
Amusement Vision read the specifications of the system and turned their "?" into a "!" (their words not mine). To me Nintendo's last fight no longer seems like a doomed idea, but instead the birth of probably the biggest change in gaming since the onset of 3D gaming.
Nintendo have run their biggest risk in a very long time...
Are you excited yet?
Dringo.
And so once again, much like this time last generation, we rely on Nintendo kicking butt with their next generation of systems. Why do "we" rely on this? Because dammit I WANT to play Driv3r, I WANT to play Hitman 3 and I WANT to play Grand Theft Auto... I don't care if they look crap (I know Hitman certainly doesn't) but if Nintendo want a cut of these system sellers they NEED to get a larger share of the market. And Nintendo aren't pretending otherwise.
The Gamecube 2, N5 or Dr. Doolittle's house of fun... whatever you want to call it WILL have specifications to match their rivals. Ignore Iwati going on about "no need for good graphics" they did that last time to some effect and Nintendo know the importance of multi-format titles. Hopefully Nintendo can continue their good ties with Capcom, EA, Namco and SEGA into the next generation because that will be damn useful. What games we are to recieve is up for speculation... Smash Brothers and Mario Kart seem a certainty as does a Mario game, whether this is the much touted Mario 128 or not is to be seen. Regardless we won't know anything until E3 2005 and so we will just have to wait and see.
Regarding The Gameboy next/extreme/advance 2/Dr. Doolittle house of fun... we can make a few more educated guesses about. The system will be released late in comparison to the PSP, it doesn't mean Nintendo are giving Sony a head start. The price of the PSP will mean the Gameboy Advance SP... coupled with a nice price cut will still enjoy the exact same success as before. Also Nintendo plan to steal alot of Sony's thunder with the DS... Sony going up against 2 Nintendo handhelds is very risky especially as both will undercut the price greatly. The IQue also gives a hint to what we can expect from the next Gameboy, the IQue has the power to play Nintendo 64 games and is the approximate size of an N64 controller, slap on a screen and you have a N64 handheld... easy. With the fast pacing improvements in technology we can expect a higher specifications system than THAT! What does this mean? Well it means yet ANOTHER re-release (Ocarina of Time was released 3 times last year!) of Ocarina of Time, we'll see the long lost Mario 64 on a handheld console and... as RARE are an official Gameboy developer we can expect Perfect Dark, Banjo and maybe even that PROPER re-make of Goldeneye we want to badly.
But these are systems for the back end of 2005/2006 or even 2007. Nintendo's big issue, their big hitter comes in the form of a third piller... the Nintendo DS. Criticised to start with but the public (62.2% in Japan anyway) are starting to come round, developers are getting very excited about it (93.3% of Japanese ones) and retailers are getting ready for it (64.4% Japanese ones at the moment). The Nintendo DS is a dual screen handheld system, conviently released around the same time as the PSP and plans to offer things not seen in the Gaming industry ever before. Dual Screen was done during the Game and Watch era to a slightly reductive affair but with different memory storage, new types of games, the possibilty of touch screen and wireless technology we can assume that Nintendo are pulling out all the stops hardware wise.
Despite how damn cool the entire idea sounds it is the developers that are truly excited. SEGA have recently declared their interest with Sonic Team's Yuji Naka saying:
"We've been waiting for this! We'll be sure to try out something new with this, and release something for the launch!"
Other developers have reported to say things such as "The roots of gaming are returning and it looks like they will put up a good fight", "It should allow the birth of a whole host of new ideas and play experiences that haven't existed before.", "Having two separately functioning screens suits the time perfectly - with users becoming increasingly multi-tasking." and Nintendo's own Camelot had this to say:
"In a game industry that is feeling more and more penned in, this should create a few openings."
Despite negative reports from the general public moaning about lack of concentration of next gen systems or new software for these systems, the gaming world is getting ready for it... in fantastic anticipation. Developers are all discussing the possibilities of this new handheld, such as Koei who stated:
"I think we can make an interesting game with one screen for the large-scale battle with the other screen focusing on a local battle, in historical strategy games, and so on."
Amusement Vision read the specifications of the system and turned their "?" into a "!" (their words not mine). To me Nintendo's last fight no longer seems like a doomed idea, but instead the birth of probably the biggest change in gaming since the onset of 3D gaming.
Nintendo have run their biggest risk in a very long time...
Are you excited yet?
Dringo.
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Cooky wrote:
> Well if it was big enough to house a full-sized CD in it, then I
> couldn't see it being the most portable of contraptions. Also, the
> power required to keep the CD spinning would cause the battery life
> to be even lower than it currently is, so that is why they need to
> use a different medium to store the data.
Can't they use some sort of nuclear power source like plutonium.
> Also, not EVERY game being made for the thing is going to be a PS1/2
> port! Developers will still try to create something new once in a
> while! lol
So, Sony are going to concentrate on the PSP and not the PS3 or PS2.
> I mean take Nintendo for example, how many NEW games have they
> released for the GBA in the YEARS that it's been out!?! More
> specifically, how many NEW Mario games have they released?
>
But think of the games that have been remade or rereleased. We have some of the best games to have ever come out being released on the GBA. The PS1/2 has had few great games that have stayed on their system, if any.
> :)
Hey, don't argue with me. It's my birthday and I'm going commando right now. You better watch it!
> Well if it was big enough to house a full-sized CD in it, then I
> couldn't see it being the most portable of contraptions. Also, the
> power required to keep the CD spinning would cause the battery life
> to be even lower than it currently is, so that is why they need to
> use a different medium to store the data.
Can't they use some sort of nuclear power source like plutonium.
> Also, not EVERY game being made for the thing is going to be a PS1/2
> port! Developers will still try to create something new once in a
> while! lol
So, Sony are going to concentrate on the PSP and not the PS3 or PS2.
> I mean take Nintendo for example, how many NEW games have they
> released for the GBA in the YEARS that it's been out!?! More
> specifically, how many NEW Mario games have they released?
>
But think of the games that have been remade or rereleased. We have some of the best games to have ever come out being released on the GBA. The PS1/2 has had few great games that have stayed on their system, if any.
> :)
Hey, don't argue with me. It's my birthday and I'm going commando right now. You better watch it!
Well if it was big enough to house a full-sized CD in it, then I couldn't see it being the most portable of contraptions. Also, the power required to keep the CD spinning would cause the battery life to be even lower than it currently is, so that is why they need to use a different medium to store the data.
Also, not EVERY game being made for the thing is going to be a PS1/2 port! Developers will still try to create something new once in a while! lol
I mean take Nintendo for example, how many NEW games have they released for the GBA in the YEARS that it's been out!?! More specifically, how many NEW Mario games have they released?
:)
Also, not EVERY game being made for the thing is going to be a PS1/2 port! Developers will still try to create something new once in a while! lol
I mean take Nintendo for example, how many NEW games have they released for the GBA in the YEARS that it's been out!?! More specifically, how many NEW Mario games have they released?
:)
I think the PSP will sell terribly. When I heard about I was generally worried for the future of Nintendo, but then they announced it wouldn't run current PS1/2 games. Great day for Nintendo!
Why if I had a PS2 (which most people have) would I want to buy games that I already own so I can play them on the move? That would be insane. If the PSP games could be played on the PS2 then maybe it could sell but, to my knowledge, it cant. It wont work. Mark My Words.
Why if I had a PS2 (which most people have) would I want to buy games that I already own so I can play them on the move? That would be insane. If the PSP games could be played on the PS2 then maybe it could sell but, to my knowledge, it cant. It wont work. Mark My Words.
Exactly. It WILL have the stigma as the Walkman of the 20-whatever century. Whereas Nintendo's GameCube will be reduced to the perceive kiddies hand-held.
And you can't just say that it's only girls and kids that buy hand-helds. Helluva lot of people I know own a handheld and are waiting to jump at the opportunity to buy the PSP.
Personally I'd like a hand-held which did more than just play games. I'd like a little multi-media devise that was capable of playing short movies and such. I'm almost tempted to invest in one of those attachments for the GBA that lets you view movies. I think it'd be a very good way of carrying around promotional movies.
:)
And you can't just say that it's only girls and kids that buy hand-helds. Helluva lot of people I know own a handheld and are waiting to jump at the opportunity to buy the PSP.
Personally I'd like a hand-held which did more than just play games. I'd like a little multi-media devise that was capable of playing short movies and such. I'm almost tempted to invest in one of those attachments for the GBA that lets you view movies. I think it'd be a very good way of carrying around promotional movies.
:)
The Nintendo DS will have two or three classic games, will sell moderate amounts and will then die out. The PSP on the other hand, will sell bucketloads on release, and will continue to sell bucketloads upon each PS2 re-release ie. GTA, Pro Evo etc. You can't deny it, Sony is the name the casual gamer goes for.
When the PSP was announced, I could see infinite possibilities, as it's basically a handheld PlayStation 1.5. Upon the announcement of the Nintendo DS, all I could think of was 'why would I ever need to look at two screens at once?' It'll have appeal, but it'll be limited.
When the PSP was announced, I could see infinite possibilities, as it's basically a handheld PlayStation 1.5. Upon the announcement of the Nintendo DS, all I could think of was 'why would I ever need to look at two screens at once?' It'll have appeal, but it'll be limited.
The thing that will kill the PSP is if it is true that the battery life is only 2hrs!!!
If that's the case, then it won't do very well!
The problem with most of the other hand-helds that have appeared is that they weren't very portable! Ever tried sticking a GameGear in ya pocket?
The PSP looks professional and stylish, and I personally think that will apeal to a number of peeps.
:)
If that's the case, then it won't do very well!
The problem with most of the other hand-helds that have appeared is that they weren't very portable! Ever tried sticking a GameGear in ya pocket?
The PSP looks professional and stylish, and I personally think that will apeal to a number of peeps.
:)
Actually I wrote a post a while ago that if Nintendo did crush the PSP to the extent I have reason to believe they can then it may have a knock on effect onto the PS franchise... but I'm not going there now.
The Playstation Pocket will have a very difficult fight on its hands... one I have severe doubts it can win. It is a battery guzzling system that tries to encourage people to make movies on mini discs and also encouraged developers to port old PSX games.
Nintendo will do the same, port old N64 titles with their next handheld but you see how many people never experienced the world of the N64.
Too many.
It's going to be tough, but the Gameboy brand is as big as the Playstation brand... no BIGGER. As big as Final Fantasy is, ignoring the obvious presence of it on the Gameboy anyway, it is no where near as big as Pokemon... which sells systems by the bucket load.
The PSP is overpriced... worth it maybe... but overpriced for a handheld system... I wouldn't buy that.
And the Gameboy does look cool, the GBA perhaps a little childish but the GBA SP looks so damn sexy. There is no denying it.
The Playstation Pocket will have a very difficult fight on its hands... one I have severe doubts it can win. It is a battery guzzling system that tries to encourage people to make movies on mini discs and also encouraged developers to port old PSX games.
Nintendo will do the same, port old N64 titles with their next handheld but you see how many people never experienced the world of the N64.
Too many.
It's going to be tough, but the Gameboy brand is as big as the Playstation brand... no BIGGER. As big as Final Fantasy is, ignoring the obvious presence of it on the Gameboy anyway, it is no where near as big as Pokemon... which sells systems by the bucket load.
The PSP is overpriced... worth it maybe... but overpriced for a handheld system... I wouldn't buy that.
And the Gameboy does look cool, the GBA perhaps a little childish but the GBA SP looks so damn sexy. There is no denying it.
Are you forgetting Sony's other big hitters: Metal Gear Solid, Tekken, GTA...
Oh wait... I've just realised... These are all on the GBA too.
As is Final Fantasy.
I don't know one kid or parent that is willing to pay £200 on an expensive toy.
No the price won't stay the same forever but the SP has stayed that price for a while and there will BE a new GBA.
Remember SEGA were beating Nintendo when they released the Game Gear.
They died.
The Atari Linux.
Dead.
Neo Geo.
Dead.
Wonderswan
holding on.
In fact there has been thousands of handhelds that have come and gone... you sit there and tell me that there is no alternative to the Gameboy BUT there has been.
Just Nintendo killed them.
Oh wait... I've just realised... These are all on the GBA too.
As is Final Fantasy.
I don't know one kid or parent that is willing to pay £200 on an expensive toy.
No the price won't stay the same forever but the SP has stayed that price for a while and there will BE a new GBA.
Remember SEGA were beating Nintendo when they released the Game Gear.
They died.
The Atari Linux.
Dead.
Neo Geo.
Dead.
Wonderswan
holding on.
In fact there has been thousands of handhelds that have come and gone... you sit there and tell me that there is no alternative to the Gameboy BUT there has been.
Just Nintendo killed them.
Dringo wrote:
> That my point... the GBA SP has lower specs... it doesn't mean the
> PSP will outsell it.
No-ones saying the PSP is suddenly going to outsell the GBA the day it's released. The point is, Nintendo are the only people in the hand-held market. THAT is why they sell so much. There's no alternative! Once Sony release the PSP and it establishes itself, then it IS going to be a very POWERFUL force! If the system is going to look half as nice as those early mockup shots, then Nintendo will have a fight on its hand, because people would rather be seen with one of those in their pockets, than a dodgy lookin' GBA. Now I'm not saying the look of a console influences MY choice of console. But if you look at say the Mobile Phone market, than you can't argue that it does count for quite a lot!
> It has changed... games are very cheap to manufacture.
Doesn't stop Nintendo charging developers an arm and a leg for rights to manufacture games for their machines!
> Sony openly admit that the PSP will not attract the same market as
> the Gameboy.
>
> The Gameboy sells an awful lot to girls and children... the PSP does
> not attract any of these...
Yes because EVERY girl and child has a GameCube don't they!?! No. The vast majority of children still own Playstations. I think a vast majority of the general public will be attracted to the SONY PSP just because it's Sony. They have the SONY Walkman, the SONY CD player, the SONY Playstation, so which hand-held will they pick? The Nintendo DS or the SONY PSP!?!
I think a fair amount of people will be attracted to the PSP.
> The PSP is being released between £200 - £300...
Yes, but it won't be at that price for ever...
> Pokemon my friend, Pokemon.
Are you forgetting another popular series in Japan (and the rest of the world...?)
Final Fantasy!
If Sony secure a new Final Fantasy for the PSP, then they can be guarenteed MIIIIIIIIIIILIONS of sales!
:)
> That my point... the GBA SP has lower specs... it doesn't mean the
> PSP will outsell it.
No-ones saying the PSP is suddenly going to outsell the GBA the day it's released. The point is, Nintendo are the only people in the hand-held market. THAT is why they sell so much. There's no alternative! Once Sony release the PSP and it establishes itself, then it IS going to be a very POWERFUL force! If the system is going to look half as nice as those early mockup shots, then Nintendo will have a fight on its hand, because people would rather be seen with one of those in their pockets, than a dodgy lookin' GBA. Now I'm not saying the look of a console influences MY choice of console. But if you look at say the Mobile Phone market, than you can't argue that it does count for quite a lot!
> It has changed... games are very cheap to manufacture.
Doesn't stop Nintendo charging developers an arm and a leg for rights to manufacture games for their machines!
> Sony openly admit that the PSP will not attract the same market as
> the Gameboy.
>
> The Gameboy sells an awful lot to girls and children... the PSP does
> not attract any of these...
Yes because EVERY girl and child has a GameCube don't they!?! No. The vast majority of children still own Playstations. I think a vast majority of the general public will be attracted to the SONY PSP just because it's Sony. They have the SONY Walkman, the SONY CD player, the SONY Playstation, so which hand-held will they pick? The Nintendo DS or the SONY PSP!?!
I think a fair amount of people will be attracted to the PSP.
> The PSP is being released between £200 - £300...
Yes, but it won't be at that price for ever...
> Pokemon my friend, Pokemon.
Are you forgetting another popular series in Japan (and the rest of the world...?)
Final Fantasy!
If Sony secure a new Final Fantasy for the PSP, then they can be guarenteed MIIIIIIIIIIILIONS of sales!
:)
Dringo wrote:
> Cooky wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> Acording to Yamauchi there is a very large advertisement campaign
> planned for it.
>
> Yer, but they've said that about everything they've released. And
> anyways, ain't he retired!?!
>
> :)
>
> No he isn't his the Nintendo chief advisor but you knew that.
No I didn't. And frankly couldn't give a rats###! I care about Nintendo's products and not which old f@rt they've got at the top barking orders.
Perhaps it's because they've still got these old fogies around that they can't seem to advertise their products right. Perhaps some fresh blood into the ranks on Nintendo is what is in order!
Also, are you THAT desperate to increase your word count that you need to quote ENTIRE posts into your reply!?! It makes the threads needlessly long, and just make you look...
:)
p.s. notices the irony of quoting the whole post just to make a point over who sad it is!
> Cooky wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> Acording to Yamauchi there is a very large advertisement campaign
> planned for it.
>
> Yer, but they've said that about everything they've released. And
> anyways, ain't he retired!?!
>
> :)
>
> No he isn't his the Nintendo chief advisor but you knew that.
No I didn't. And frankly couldn't give a rats###! I care about Nintendo's products and not which old f@rt they've got at the top barking orders.
Perhaps it's because they've still got these old fogies around that they can't seem to advertise their products right. Perhaps some fresh blood into the ranks on Nintendo is what is in order!
Also, are you THAT desperate to increase your word count that you need to quote ENTIRE posts into your reply!?! It makes the threads needlessly long, and just make you look...
:)
p.s. notices the irony of quoting the whole post just to make a point over who sad it is!
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