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Wed 14/04/04 at 10:15
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Being a die-hard Nintendo fan is not easy you know. Every morning I get up, bow to my Gamecube, kiss all my joy pads and religiously study the manuals of all my Nintendo games (SNES. NES, N64, Gamecube and Gameboy). Every piece of negative news I spin into a positive light, I do it so well, Nintendo should hire me as their PR wizard.

But I’ve had enough. Nintendo you are one ******* stupid bloody piece of ****. That’s right it is I, the legendary Dringo, he who can not be slain by Playstation and starves off the threat of the X-box who is saying this you proud ******. What the hell are you playing at? I’m a WESTERN NINTENDO FAN, I don’t get all those ******* titles from Japan with the words Giftipia or Animal Forest printed on the side. And the ones I do get, Doshin the ******* Giant, turns out to be a pile of utter toss.

Every time I spin some negative news article into a positive light but why? Who’s the idiot now ah? You cut second party ties with a certain Left Field, Left Field (NBA courtside and Excitebike 64) are your sports developer; they make your sports games. But oh look you don’t REALLY need them now SEGA has gone multi-format with their sports range. So remove them, who cares. Oh well look at that, less than a year later and SEGA cancel all their sports titles for the Gamecube. WOOPS! Now whom can you turn to? That’s right NO ONE, I have noticed you are now making your own mature sports games (the upcoming Legend of Golfer) but it’s too late.

Ah yes Nintendo, now onto Rare Ware. My previous status was that “they’re crap anyway” and that “they lost Nintendo money”. ********, you ARE dumb aren’t you Nintendo? Want to know why they didn’t make you much money in the year before you sold them? Because they didn’t ACTUALLY release any bloody games! Rare Ware are an unresponsive developer but they were your other half, they are more than Silicon Knights, Left Field, HAL etc... put together. They made Banjo, Conker, Killer Instinct, Donkey Kong and Perfect Dark… all of these are BIG Nintendo releases, well they would have been if you hadn’t ******* sold them! Look at this, your sales aren’t up to scratch! Could this be down to a certain absence of a company that made half your AAA titles? It nearly forced me away, but then that was okay, at least you have Retro Studios and Silicon Knights.

Oh Sympathy where have you gone.

First off you crush Retro Studio’s. A bit of a re-shuffle was needed, EAD’s help was appreciated on Metroid Prime. BUT did you really need to destroy the 4 teams that were there into 1? Raven Blade, that racer and that football game WAS exactly what Nintendo Gamecube lacks. A decent footy game, a decent exclusive racing title and a mature action RPG. But you cancelled them. Did you really have to scrap all those games?

And now modern day. The one that made me snap. I love Silicon Knights. True they are hardly a true example of Nintendo (prefer cinematic gameplay and adult games) but that was the point. Nintendo you’ve told me time and time again how you want to be more “adult” and Eternal Darkness and Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes are YOUR most mature games. And you cut ties with the company behind them? Too Human can now return to the PS2, which it was originally coded for, and you’ve lost yet another special western developer.

I know Nintendo. You have loads of second parties, some I never even knew about including that new sports developer SETA (ever heard of them? No neither have I). But Rare, Silicon Knights, the full Retro team and Left Field could have all pushed Nintendo in both Europe and America. You would have defeated Microsoft and competed more fiercely. But instead you try to get exclusives from other companies that simply do not sell. Capcom are having to cancel their plans to keep Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7 exclusive and cannot wait for the Resident Evil deal to expire. Namco are doing okay but that’s because they hardly support Nintendo as much as they support Sony. SEGA have been drifting away ever so slowly, remember the Virtual Fighter RPG and the sonic series were once exclusive to Nintendo. They are both now lost.

So tell me Nintendo, who do you have left to sell your product to the western world? You don’t have Rare, you don’t have Silicon Knights, you don’t have Left field. Christ you don’t even have Capcom anymore. And in fact you’ve even lost Dringo, your most avid supporter. Sure I love Zelda and Mario, but I’m a western gamer, I have western needs and the only western game you actually make is Metroid Prime, and I don’t even like it.

Maybe one day you’ll acquire some killer, high profile companies such as Capcom, Midway or Free Radical Design. But in the mean time I need to raise funds for an X-box. After all a western Nintendo fan needs his Rare.

Dringo.
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Wed 14/04/04 at 23:38
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Notorious Biggles wrote:
>But beyond that you can get Jet Set
> Radio Future, one of the coolest games in a long time, and a total
> reinvention for platformers. You can get Star Wars KOTOR, and having
> the Zelda-esque epic in a Star Wars universe. And you will even get a
> decent Rare at some point. You get PGR2, and a different style of
> racer. Also you get all the sports games you could need.
>
>

Hmmm. I see what you are saying. Unfortunatly, despite the Xbox and GC complementing each other very well, I have to say one comes easily far out on top - the GC, simply because it's exclusives, even if they aren't as 'classic' as the '64 era, are far superior. And I got PGR2 today and it's very very very boring. :)

Oo, and JSRF is over rated.
Wed 14/04/04 at 23:00
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Someone has said it already but Nintendo think that they aren't in competition with Microsoft and Sony - that they offer something different. IN Japan, perhaps this is true, but in the rest of the world Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are rivals for our gaming cash, and the sooner Nintendo realise this the better.

At the moment they're trying to impress developers, rather than consumers, which is, probably a smart move, as this round of 'console wars' is pretty much decided anyway. Losing developers, freeing up cash, restructuring, it all seems as if Nintendo are readying for something new, as if they have something planned.

Microsoft and Sony are both looking to upgrade, and that's just what Nintendo have been doing for the last 15 years, so perhaps they know that it's time for a change. I think that the Nintendo management feel that it is up to them, the fathers of todays gaming industry, to rescue it from where they see it going. Various comments by Satoru Iwata and Mr Yamauchi have suggested that Nintendo are displeased with the current status of the industry. They see it as being filled with rehashes of the same game in prettier clothes, and although they know that this provides short term solutions and funds, suggested by their mainstay franchises, Zelda, Mario etc, they understand that the industry needs to move forward and needs to evolve, and I think that they feel like it is up to them to change it.

This is why they are leading the way in innovative games, new peropherals (which will most likely be rubbish), and shunning today's popular games, and th current way of thinking about games development. I'm sure that's why they let Silicon Knights go, because they weren't thinking about the future, and were only concenrating on new technologies improving smoothness/graphics/power, just like Sony and Microsoft, and I think that Nintendo are the only one of the console manufacturers who understand that this improvement in power is finite.

That's pretty much just a stream of conciousness, so feel free to pick it apart. It's just some thoughts for discussion.
Wed 14/04/04 at 22:59
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The news gets better. See my "Factor 5" Thread.
Wed 14/04/04 at 22:57
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Hedfix wrote:
> But it does have the multiplayer odd-bods too:
>
> Phantom Crash
> Wrath Unleashed (multiformat)
> Gladius (multiformat)
> Battle Engine Aquila
> JSRF
> Deathrow
> Gun Valkyrie

This is more of a question than an argument, having not played any of these: Are any of them as special and as playable as well balanced as Smash brothers. I'd be surprised but pleasantly. :-)

And JSRF?
Multiplayer?
Really?
Wed 14/04/04 at 22:30
"I love yo... lamp."
Posts: 19,577
Hurrah! The force works after all!

Nintendo have made a mistake here. But then, it does fit with their real agenda. And that is to make people buy only Nintendo games. Sure, they will let other companies develop for Nintendo consoles, it brings them in some extra money and gives more reasons for owning the console. But really, they just want you to buy Nintendo games. Understandable really.

But that is a flawed plan. Because I buy games more often than three every 2 years, and between Mario, Zelda and Metroid, that's it. Well nearly but not quite, you get my point though.

Dringo doesn't "get" Eastern games, or at least not to the extent that he doesn't need anything other than the GC. Makes sense, I don't either. My problem is that nowadays I'm bored of Zelda and Mario. Sure, the gameplay is still good. But the story is crap and they just seem like unimaginative rehashes. The N64 would possibly have felt the same were it not for them all being in 3D. What I loved my N64 for was Rare. Specifically Goldeneye.

Now my favourite games are racers and shooters. Both of which are lacking on the GC. Nothing can touch Project Gotham Racing. Because as great as Mario Kart and F Zero GX are, they don't use cars. As for getting a decent FPS on the GC, the good ones like Time Splitters 2 are on Xbox. But the Xbox also has Halo, Rainbow Six 3, Ghost Recon, Counter Strike, in time Doom 3 and Half Life 2. I would also imagine Quake 4 making an Xbox appearance. Not to mention Perfect Dark Zero being Xbox or Xbox Next only. So there just isn't that same draw to the GC that there was for the N64. That saddens me.

OK, so the Xbox doesn't have the huge exclusives like the GC does. It does have a few decent ones mind. But the exclusives are what Nintendo have with the Zelda and Mario franchises, they now need to get a few more along the lines of Eternal Darkness or Grand Theft Auto, or anything other than a game which could be construed as a kiddy game by the uninitiated. Nintendo only make games that are suitable for kids. Pretty much anyway. Sure, they are often great games, but lets face it, Zelda is suitable for kids. And that puts a whole lot of people off.

Nintendo just don't meet my gaming needs any more. Viewtiful Joe did, F Zero GX did. Skies Of Arcadia would have, if I didn't have it on the Dreamcast. As Strafio said, to get the best out of gaming you need a GC and an Xbox. But seeing as I am not a huge Zelda or Mario fan, a good 90% of those needs are now met on the Xbox.

I feel sorry for you Dringo, I didn't like it when Sega went out of the hardware market. I didn't even like it when I had to buy an N64, apart from the joy I had on Goldeneye. But just enjoy, be happy about it. You can still get the Wind Waker 2, Mario 128 and Metroid Prime 2 (if you decide to give it a go). But beyond that you can get Jet Set Radio Future, one of the coolest games in a long time, and a total reinvention for platformers. You can get Star Wars KOTOR, and having the Zelda-esque epic in a Star Wars universe. And you will even get a decent Rare at some point. You get PGR2, and a different style of racer. Also you get all the sports games you could need.

There is nothing to lose, everything to gain. Nintendo games on their own just weren't enough for me, they aren't for you. The GC will still cover all your Nintendo needs, the Xbox everything else. It is good enough for me.

Nintendo don't even deserve your almost undying loyalty, they have NEVER yet shown any loyalty to European gamers. They never learn, they always do things the way they want. They seem to try and dictate to us what games we should play, not adapting to new trends.
Wed 14/04/04 at 22:15
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Indeed and if he didn't then he has contradicted himself as the cable would only cost £5 which would be no great shakes.
Wed 14/04/04 at 22:08
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Notorious Biggles wrote:
> There were several games that had VMU minigames.

The games were text based 'partners' to the main games. None of them were proper games.

> In Japan the Sega
> arcades were compatible with the VMU, so you could save your progress
> on the arcade games, and upload and download stuff either way.

You can do that with memory cards in japan with gamecubes - F Zero AX/GX.

> Not to
> mention the fact that there were a whole bunch of stand alone
> minigames for the VMU.

They were nothing more than downloadable versions of snake, and more text based 'adventures'.

> He never said it was better than the GBA, it
> isn't (although I found it more useful) he said it was better than
> the GBA link up.

But he implied that the only reason you would want a GBA would be to use the linkup, as if it did nothing else.
Wed 14/04/04 at 21:59
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TGMbloke wrote:
> No, I said Nintendo stole the idea and forced us to use an expensive
> device. Then they use it for cheap rip offs like "open up a new
> level!" which should be within the game anyway, without having
> to pay £99 for an SP and £25 for a GBA game and a tenner
> for a link lead.

You can find an SP for £80 new with a free game if you bother to look around. Also your sheer lack of knowledge amazes me, any idea how many games actually require their GBA counterpart to unlock link-up functions? No didn't think so, considering the best link-up options only require the GameCube versions it makes your opinion look very bell rounded.

> At least the VMU was cheap, fit in every controller meaning you had
> all the buttons (After all, playing with a GBA means you hav less...)
> and had the odd downloadable game, and even let you swap save games
> on the move.

Cheap? I think you will find it was actually more expensive than a link-up cable and it required you to have an internet connection to get any enjoyment out of it, all adds to the cost.

> What does the GBA one do? Lock levels you should allready
> have....Colour screen mini games, only while your plug into a GC
> though when you may as well play a proper GC game anyway...

Yes thats why possibly the best multiplayer game of the modern generation runs with link-up as well as only requiring the Cube version to get all you need from it.

As for the GBA as a console, maybe you have had some sort of knock on your c*ck shaped head but it is made up of some excellent ports of old Snez games, the same console that is almost age less in terms of games and gameplay on offer. The GBA SP is a fine piece of equipment, probably too polished and well designed for your liking, after all you are the one who seems to think the XBOX has 20 top exclusives, I don't even think the Xbox has 20 exclusives full stop.

> SEGA invented it. Nintny stole it, called it their own, and quite
> frankly, ruined it even if SEGA never got it right in the first
> place. And to top it off, this, this THING is a sellling point for
> the Cube according to Nintendo. "Spend an extra £150 for
> one extra level on Splinter Cell! Forget about the XBOX one where you
> can download 3 for free...."

Nintendo stole it? From where? I don't remember inserting anything into the controller when I bought my GameCube... Oh thats right you mean the Dreamcast stole the idea of having a handheld gaming console, ala the Game Boy? Ahh right, that makes sense...

Care to remind me how you get FREE levels through LIVE? For starters you need a starter kit retailing at £39.99, then you need a broadband connection at around £20-30 a month and in my case £38 a month and then you have to fund for all the broken head sets after some smack donkey at the production office decided to make Xbox LIVE head sets out of stickle bricks. Thats erm... £39.99 + (£25 X 12) which equals a whopping £339.99 excluding additional headset costs just to download a few levels... quite. This is of course opposed to an £80 and a £5 link up cable which at this moment in time are far more interesting than the odd level developers can be jacked to upload to Xbox LIVE.

When I thought you wouldn't resort to something even lower you managed to amazes the majority of people posting here, please stop or at least get your facts straight.
Wed 14/04/04 at 21:56
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gerrid! wrote:
> TGMbloke wrote:
> Online play. VMU (GBA Link up but better if I do say so myself).
>
> hahahahahahaahahahahhaahha. HAHAHAHA. Listen to yourself. VMU better
> than the GBA? That is THE most ridiculous thing that I have EVER
> heard.
> The VMU did NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING. You could see a pong style
> version of the court in virtua tennis - that was about it. The rest
> of the time it was just NOTHING. The VMU was just a memory card with
> a screen so that Sega could sell their memory cards for £20.
> Explain to me why the VMU was better than the GBA link up. Go on. You
> will fail. Because it clearly isn't.

There were several games that had VMU minigames. In Japan the Sega arcades were compatible with the VMU, so you could save your progress on the arcade games, and upload and download stuff either way. Not to mention the fact that there were a whole bunch of stand alone minigames for the VMU. He never said it was better than the GBA, it isn't (although I found it more useful) he said it was better than the GBA link up.
Wed 14/04/04 at 21:14
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from now on dringos my hero!gogogogo dringo!!!!!
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