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Wed 14/04/04 at 10:15
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Being a die-hard Nintendo fan is not easy you know. Every morning I get up, bow to my Gamecube, kiss all my joy pads and religiously study the manuals of all my Nintendo games (SNES. NES, N64, Gamecube and Gameboy). Every piece of negative news I spin into a positive light, I do it so well, Nintendo should hire me as their PR wizard.

But I’ve had enough. Nintendo you are one ******* stupid bloody piece of ****. That’s right it is I, the legendary Dringo, he who can not be slain by Playstation and starves off the threat of the X-box who is saying this you proud ******. What the hell are you playing at? I’m a WESTERN NINTENDO FAN, I don’t get all those ******* titles from Japan with the words Giftipia or Animal Forest printed on the side. And the ones I do get, Doshin the ******* Giant, turns out to be a pile of utter toss.

Every time I spin some negative news article into a positive light but why? Who’s the idiot now ah? You cut second party ties with a certain Left Field, Left Field (NBA courtside and Excitebike 64) are your sports developer; they make your sports games. But oh look you don’t REALLY need them now SEGA has gone multi-format with their sports range. So remove them, who cares. Oh well look at that, less than a year later and SEGA cancel all their sports titles for the Gamecube. WOOPS! Now whom can you turn to? That’s right NO ONE, I have noticed you are now making your own mature sports games (the upcoming Legend of Golfer) but it’s too late.

Ah yes Nintendo, now onto Rare Ware. My previous status was that “they’re crap anyway” and that “they lost Nintendo money”. ********, you ARE dumb aren’t you Nintendo? Want to know why they didn’t make you much money in the year before you sold them? Because they didn’t ACTUALLY release any bloody games! Rare Ware are an unresponsive developer but they were your other half, they are more than Silicon Knights, Left Field, HAL etc... put together. They made Banjo, Conker, Killer Instinct, Donkey Kong and Perfect Dark… all of these are BIG Nintendo releases, well they would have been if you hadn’t ******* sold them! Look at this, your sales aren’t up to scratch! Could this be down to a certain absence of a company that made half your AAA titles? It nearly forced me away, but then that was okay, at least you have Retro Studios and Silicon Knights.

Oh Sympathy where have you gone.

First off you crush Retro Studio’s. A bit of a re-shuffle was needed, EAD’s help was appreciated on Metroid Prime. BUT did you really need to destroy the 4 teams that were there into 1? Raven Blade, that racer and that football game WAS exactly what Nintendo Gamecube lacks. A decent footy game, a decent exclusive racing title and a mature action RPG. But you cancelled them. Did you really have to scrap all those games?

And now modern day. The one that made me snap. I love Silicon Knights. True they are hardly a true example of Nintendo (prefer cinematic gameplay and adult games) but that was the point. Nintendo you’ve told me time and time again how you want to be more “adult” and Eternal Darkness and Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes are YOUR most mature games. And you cut ties with the company behind them? Too Human can now return to the PS2, which it was originally coded for, and you’ve lost yet another special western developer.

I know Nintendo. You have loads of second parties, some I never even knew about including that new sports developer SETA (ever heard of them? No neither have I). But Rare, Silicon Knights, the full Retro team and Left Field could have all pushed Nintendo in both Europe and America. You would have defeated Microsoft and competed more fiercely. But instead you try to get exclusives from other companies that simply do not sell. Capcom are having to cancel their plans to keep Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7 exclusive and cannot wait for the Resident Evil deal to expire. Namco are doing okay but that’s because they hardly support Nintendo as much as they support Sony. SEGA have been drifting away ever so slowly, remember the Virtual Fighter RPG and the sonic series were once exclusive to Nintendo. They are both now lost.

So tell me Nintendo, who do you have left to sell your product to the western world? You don’t have Rare, you don’t have Silicon Knights, you don’t have Left field. Christ you don’t even have Capcom anymore. And in fact you’ve even lost Dringo, your most avid supporter. Sure I love Zelda and Mario, but I’m a western gamer, I have western needs and the only western game you actually make is Metroid Prime, and I don’t even like it.

Maybe one day you’ll acquire some killer, high profile companies such as Capcom, Midway or Free Radical Design. But in the mean time I need to raise funds for an X-box. After all a western Nintendo fan needs his Rare.

Dringo.
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Fri 16/04/04 at 12:34
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Mario Party 6?
Fri 16/04/04 at 12:17
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Strafio wrote:

>
> Conker's Bad Fur Day came out a whole year before the Gamecube's
> launch. All that came between were a couple of third rate third party
> titles.

Between CBFD and Gamecube there were:

Indianna Jones (USA only)
Banjo Tooie
Battle for Naboo
Paper Mario
Tony Hawks 2
Mario Party 6

Not a massive line up but still a very good one.

If you honestly believe Nintendo can make money from an old console then you are VERY wrong. The N5 is backwards compatible with the Gamecube but that is irrelevant because the PS3 and Xenon with their new online systems, better graphics and better advertisement will simply outsell it.

Nintendo are losing out to them as it is. Not releasing a follow up console is like saying goodbye to them... it is stupid. Nintendo have obviously been working on new hardware for sometime (the DS being a prime example). By letting the PS3 and Xenon get a massive head start over Nintendo is something that SHOULDN'T happen. The PS1 is £40 at the moment with a game... that isn't selling. What makes you think the Gamecube will?

Third parties will not support a smaller system, they will want to be porting games accross from the PS3 etc... but they can't because Nintendo's machine is inferior. Nintendo will lose ALL multi-format games... that means EA, Ubi-soft, Namco and, to an extent, SEGA.

Tell me how does the idea of Nintendo selling the machine and software at a loss, to people that only want a better, faster machine without any third party support...

actually hope to make any money?

I agree, graphics isn't the future... I hope the N5 will (and I know it will) create new ideas for gaming, controllers with inbuilt touch screens, wireless everything, free online gaming from Nintendo even bloody trasnformanble controllers... I dunno what they plan. But it'll be good. And to try and extend the Gamecube's life span would be a disaster.
Fri 16/04/04 at 02:50
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Fri 16/04/04 at 00:51
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Dringo wrote:
> But could Nintendo not do this... lets say late next year. The last
> Metroid, ZElda and REsident Evil title has been released...

Yeah, the could.
That would be an idea time to do it.

> Nintendo budget the games (because so many are actually released at
> £20 these days it is hardly a problem) and sell the system at a
> loss to re-build a fan base just before the N5 launch in 2006.

But the thing is, the moment the N5 is mentioned the Gamecube becomes obsolete. If Nintendo show that they're still in full support of the Gamecube then it will continue to flourish.
I think that 2006 would be better for the N5's announcement.
That give Nintendo more time to devellop a bigger leap in terms of what the new system would offer.

> Think about it the Cube is 2 years old in Europe currently, by the
> time we get the N5 the system will be 4 years old... 5 in Japan. It's
> still a good life.

Not really. It's the shortest life of a Nintendo console yet.
Besides, it would be all but deserted in that last year.

Conker's Bad Fur Day came out a whole year before the Gamecube's launch. All that came between were a couple of third rate third party titles.

> From Christmas 2005 till the release of the N5 Nintendo might be
> worthy to go mental and literally ship ALL it's Gamecube stock to the
> public... slash the games prices to £20 maximum and then what
> do we get? A REALLY cheap little system leading up to an N5 launch.

It would seem an even better deal if it wasn't "dead" so to speak.

> It is painfully obvious to me that the Gamecube's "peak"
> period shall we say was this time last year to this time next year.
> After that we will be drip fed normal third party offerings and old
> Nintendo titles like Giftipia that have been hidden away for ages.

The Gamecube hasn't touched its peak.
If no more games come out it's because devellopers deserted it with its potential unfulfilled.

> It is sad to think the Gamecube could be a disaster for Nintendo. But
> then again it doesn't have to be. Nintendo need to re-build a fan
> base and do it now, strengthen it. Add to it.

It's a disaster for people who expect quick results.
Early days. It was always supposed to be a long-term thing.

> Perhaps expand their division... and add a new level of gaming.
>
> You are right, not graphically superior games. Perhaps online just to
> compete but this connectivity idea ACTUALLY works... the idea of a
> second screen... the GBA-GC idea... the DS idea... it is ACTUALLY
> very good.

Yeah, but you have to buy 3 extra pieces of hardware to do it right.
It's relying on people buying a DS anyway.
And this new system might have new ideas, but will they be worth spending £150 (£250 if you include pads and memory thingamies) for a new console?

> All Nintendo have to do is somehow adopt an affordable and successful
> method into the next generation, combined with the cool appeal of
> wireless technology and maybe... just maybe... the N5 can re-claim a
> hell of a lot of ground.

If they want to stand a chance, they need to bide their time until gamers realise that the new power of the PS3 and Xbox2 aren't really "all that" and then come out with some mind blowing stuff.
2 years/biding devellopment time while the Gamecube stealthily steals gamers with its budget appeal.

> All we need to hope for now is that both the DS and the Gamecube can
> lead up to this next generation and perfectly as Nintendo can do it.
>
> And they can do it.

They can do it, but they need to think it through.
The PS3 and Xbox2 are going to disappoint anyone without broadband.
They need to start their hype campaign just as that starts to set in.
Fri 16/04/04 at 00:13
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But could Nintendo not do this... lets say late next year. The last Metroid, ZElda and REsident Evil title has been released...

Nintendo budget the games (because so many are actually released at £20 these days it is hardly a problem) and sell the system at a loss to re-build a fan base just before the N5 launch in 2006.

Think about it the Cube is 2 years old in Europe currently, by the time we get the N5 the system will be 4 years old... 5 in Japan. It's still a good life.

From Christmas 2005 till the release of the N5 Nintendo might be worthy to go mental and literally ship ALL it's Gamecube stock to the public... slash the games prices to £20 maximum and then what do we get? A REALLY cheap little system leading up to an N5 launch.

It is painfully obvious to me that the Gamecube's "peak" period shall we say was this time last year to this time next year. After that we will be drip fed normal third party offerings and old Nintendo titles like Giftipia that have been hidden away for ages.

It is sad to think the Gamecube could be a disaster for Nintendo. But then again it doesn't have to be. Nintendo need to re-build a fan base and do it now, strengthen it. Add to it.

Perhaps expand their division... and add a new level of gaming.

You are right, not graphically superior games. Perhaps online just to compete but this connectivity idea ACTUALLY works... the idea of a second screen... the GBA-GC idea... the DS idea... it is ACTUALLY very good.

All Nintendo have to do is somehow adopt an affordable and successful method into the next generation, combined with the cool appeal of wireless technology and maybe... just maybe... the N5 can re-claim a hell of a lot of ground.

All we need to hope for now is that both the DS and the Gamecube can lead up to this next generation and perfectly as Nintendo can do it.

And they can do it.
Fri 16/04/04 at 00:04
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They'll barely be making losses at the right price.

£50 with a game isn't a huge loss.
Sure, they'd have to sacrifice some profits from THAT game, but if it wasn't for the bundle then they wouldn't make profits on that game anyway.


And it would still be cheaper than making another console from scratch.
And they'd make it back, possibly more, on selling games.



And why would the fail?
In what way would they fail?

Have Sony boasted about the realism of newfound power?
Nope. They've boasted about how many bells and whistles their broadband service has.
Microsoft? They jsut want to get in before Sony.


And I thought that Nintendo weren't competing against MS and SOny?
I thought they were using their own little market.

Yamauchi reckoned the Gamecube had a lifespan of 8 years.
That might've been over-doing it a bit, but 6 years I think would be fine.
Windwaker might've left no power left over, but the graphics weren't that spectacular to be honest. The colours were generally drab and other than a few facial expressions and moves from Link, the other characters tended to move like lifeless zombies.
They could do better with the Gamecube's power.


And even when they find games that make use of the Gamecube's technical peak, are they going to get THAT many really good idea's that the Gamecube can't handle?


Nintendo have spent a great deal on the Gamecube and now the spending is over, they need to let the Gamecube milk the money back.
It's not been a huge money maker so far, but as more consoles get into more homes, people will start spending more money on the software.


As it is they can afford to sell the Gamecube for £80.
I think they could push it for £60, maybe £50.
Throw in a players choice such as Smash brothers, Metroid or Mario and start up a fierce budget campaign (just to get it going) and people are going to be sorely tempted by it.
Thu 15/04/04 at 23:56
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Hedfix wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
> Xbox is sh*t at offline multiplayer. None of the games I've bought recently even support split screen - sys**tem link or Live, no simple
> split screen.

>
> Whereas my Cube happily lets me play 4 player classics like Monkey
> Ball and SSBM.
>
> *Sigh*
>
> Yes you've obviously managed to play every Xbox game with a
> multiplayer mode haven't you?
>
> Stop making pointless and generalised s**tatements that are obviously
> false.

And those games include titles such as Rainbow Six 3, Wolfens**tein and PGR2, and other such multiplayer treats, on Live of course. Compared to the Cube, it's pathetic - why can't a simple split screen be included?
Thu 15/04/04 at 23:50
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If Nintendo do not compete with Sony and Microsoft by upgrading their console and taking it into a new direction then they will fail.

Don't give me no nonsense about cutting the price of the Cube till it's nearly free with a game... because, as sad to say as it is, there is no way Nintendo can afford that.

Making a loss on a machine and software would be a death blow and Nintendo know it.

Creating a system with a controller that has a touch screen, wireless a standard and a whole host of other capabilities that Sony or Microsoft haven't even considered might well be a helping hand in the next generation.

I can see Pikmin 2 definatly pushing the Gamecube with something like 200 Pikmin on the screen at once with co-operative multiplayer. I can see that also being the case for Wind Waker 2, as Wind Waker really did push the system.

Also Resident Evil 4 will test the Gamecube's limits.

I understand that you want to extend the life of the Cube but we could well have another 2 years with the little gem so we shouldn't count our chickens.

Oh and Four Swords is also a single player games...

And the Congo Drums are not expensive.
Thu 15/04/04 at 22:38
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What gerrid said.

There's nothing the Gamecube can't do, it's just a matter of devellopers doing with it.
Thu 15/04/04 at 22:20
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Looking at the E3 lineup, that faked leaflet and the Metroid Prime 2 screens has got me thinking 'stuff new consoles, I'm after these games'.

I don't want to buy another console, the GC is just perfect as hardware goes, and the fact that PS2 owners want a new console so bad shows just how outdated and poor it actually is in terms of hardware.
It seems to me, that mainly because the PS2 games haven't changed much from the PSOne; they're just updates; that PS2 owners feel like they've had their consoles for about 8 years, and so they all want something new.

I'm not really looking forward to N5 as much as I was, probably because I'm starting to understand that the GC can give me everything I want and more.

You should all feel the same. Nintendo have probably got it right with just releasing new peripherals, because I'm sure that's all the new machines would really offer.

You could add a harddrive to the GC, online support - what else will PS3 and Xbox Next have? Nothing but more peripherals and a little more raw power that won't make that much difference.

I'm betting that Nintendo's new peripheral is a controller with a screen or something equally great.

And isn't there an 'Expansion Port' on the bottom of the gamecube? Expansion Pak 2, here we come...
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