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Wed 18/07/01 at 09:42
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"Oh my God, he's pointing that gun at us, quick: Fire!"

Six bullets later a man lays dead.

"Aw damn, it was just a lighter."

Later that day protesters gather.

"We cannot accept this kind of policing!"

The question is, from looking at it, how could a police officer have known that it was a replica gun, merely a lighter?

I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what happened, but I doubt the police simply shot this guy for having a replica gun in his pocket.

Maybe he thought "Dur, I know, I'll point my lighter that looks like a gun at them, and they'll be scared. They'll feel so stupid when it's only a lighter!" Obviously this wasn't a good idea!

Maybe a police officer got an itchy trigger finger, and shot before giving sufficient warning.

I don't know exactly what happened, but it's quite apparent that it would NOT have happened if such things as replica guns could not be bought.

What exactly is the point in a replica gun? "Hey looky what I got! It looks like a gun! Man am I cool. I'm so bad, ha ha!"

Countells people have been held up with replica guns, the thought of being shot isn't a nice one, and the majority of people wouldn't know the difference between a replica an real one. I can't see the point in such an item existing - surely it's only purpose ids as a threat?

Back to the original point. The polie see a man, and they think he has a gun. What if it was real? What if they hesitated when he pointed it at them, and he killed one of them?

Surely then there would be outrage. this dead officer would be called a 'hero' in The Sun, and the police would be criticised for their hesitation that cost them the life of a fine officer.

Again, I don't know what happened, but if this guy pointed a replica gun at a police officer, then he deserved to be shot.
Wed 18/07/01 at 09:59
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Totally agree. I was listening to local radio yesterday and this protestor was saying they could have shot him in the leg or something that wouldn't have been fatal. This seems a stupid idea of thinking, as you point out there was no way the police could know this was a fake gun, does anyone need a cigarette lighter that big ?

Police firearms officers aim for the chest and shoot to kill for very good reasons. If a suspect has a real weapon then they need to ensure that there is no oppurtunity for a suspect to spray rounds all over the place as he goes down. Secondly the chest represents the biggest target and therefore less likelihood of stray rounds hitting other people or property.

No big surprise that police recruitment is falling when they are criticised for doing what they train for.
Wed 18/07/01 at 09:55
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I saw in the papers that madonna is wearing a replica gun on her waist. not a very good example at this time is it?
Wed 18/07/01 at 09:42
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"Oh my God, he's pointing that gun at us, quick: Fire!"

Six bullets later a man lays dead.

"Aw damn, it was just a lighter."

Later that day protesters gather.

"We cannot accept this kind of policing!"

The question is, from looking at it, how could a police officer have known that it was a replica gun, merely a lighter?

I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what happened, but I doubt the police simply shot this guy for having a replica gun in his pocket.

Maybe he thought "Dur, I know, I'll point my lighter that looks like a gun at them, and they'll be scared. They'll feel so stupid when it's only a lighter!" Obviously this wasn't a good idea!

Maybe a police officer got an itchy trigger finger, and shot before giving sufficient warning.

I don't know exactly what happened, but it's quite apparent that it would NOT have happened if such things as replica guns could not be bought.

What exactly is the point in a replica gun? "Hey looky what I got! It looks like a gun! Man am I cool. I'm so bad, ha ha!"

Countells people have been held up with replica guns, the thought of being shot isn't a nice one, and the majority of people wouldn't know the difference between a replica an real one. I can't see the point in such an item existing - surely it's only purpose ids as a threat?

Back to the original point. The polie see a man, and they think he has a gun. What if it was real? What if they hesitated when he pointed it at them, and he killed one of them?

Surely then there would be outrage. this dead officer would be called a 'hero' in The Sun, and the police would be criticised for their hesitation that cost them the life of a fine officer.

Again, I don't know what happened, but if this guy pointed a replica gun at a police officer, then he deserved to be shot.

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