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"Oh my God, he's pointing that gun at us, quick: Fire!"
Six bullets later a man lays dead.
"Aw damn, it was just a lighter."
Later that day protesters gather.
"We cannot accept this kind of policing!"
The question is, from looking at it, how could a police officer have known that it was a replica gun, merely a lighter?
I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what happened, but I doubt the police simply shot this guy for having a replica gun in his pocket.
Maybe he thought "Dur, I know, I'll point my lighter that looks like a gun at them, and they'll be scared. They'll feel so stupid when it's only a lighter!" Obviously this wasn't a good idea!
Maybe a police officer got an itchy trigger finger, and shot before giving sufficient warning.
I don't know exactly what happened, but it's quite apparent that it would NOT have happened if such things as replica guns could not be bought.
What exactly is the point in a replica gun? "Hey looky what I got! It looks like a gun! Man am I cool. I'm so bad, ha ha!"
Countells people have been held up with replica guns, the thought of being shot isn't a nice one, and the majority of people wouldn't know the difference between a replica an real one. I can't see the point in such an item existing - surely it's only purpose ids as a threat?
Back to the original point. The polie see a man, and they think he has a gun. What if it was real? What if they hesitated when he pointed it at them, and he killed one of them?
Surely then there would be outrage. this dead officer would be called a 'hero' in The Sun, and the police would be criticised for their hesitation that cost them the life of a fine officer.
Again, I don't know what happened, but if this guy pointed a replica gun at a police officer, then he deserved to be shot.
Six bullets later a man lays dead.
"Aw damn, it was just a lighter."
Later that day protesters gather.
"We cannot accept this kind of policing!"
The question is, from looking at it, how could a police officer have known that it was a replica gun, merely a lighter?
I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what happened, but I doubt the police simply shot this guy for having a replica gun in his pocket.
Maybe he thought "Dur, I know, I'll point my lighter that looks like a gun at them, and they'll be scared. They'll feel so stupid when it's only a lighter!" Obviously this wasn't a good idea!
Maybe a police officer got an itchy trigger finger, and shot before giving sufficient warning.
I don't know exactly what happened, but it's quite apparent that it would NOT have happened if such things as replica guns could not be bought.
What exactly is the point in a replica gun? "Hey looky what I got! It looks like a gun! Man am I cool. I'm so bad, ha ha!"
Countells people have been held up with replica guns, the thought of being shot isn't a nice one, and the majority of people wouldn't know the difference between a replica an real one. I can't see the point in such an item existing - surely it's only purpose ids as a threat?
Back to the original point. The polie see a man, and they think he has a gun. What if it was real? What if they hesitated when he pointed it at them, and he killed one of them?
Surely then there would be outrage. this dead officer would be called a 'hero' in The Sun, and the police would be criticised for their hesitation that cost them the life of a fine officer.
Again, I don't know what happened, but if this guy pointed a replica gun at a police officer, then he deserved to be shot.
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Because of rampant PC.
I'm not arguing with you on that point at all, but unfortunately, most people aren't able to distance themselves enough to talk about that issue without it turning into an episode of Springer
I'm not arguing with you on that point at all, but unfortunately, most people aren't able to distance themselves enough to talk about that issue without it turning into an episode of Springer
Goatboy wrote:
> We are not going there Wookie, ok?
Fair enough, as Tony has said, these forums aren't the place for such discussions.
But you can bet that's where the investigation and allegations are heading.
> We are not going there Wookie, ok?
Fair enough, as Tony has said, these forums aren't the place for such discussions.
But you can bet that's where the investigation and allegations are heading.
No arguments here.
Well I wasn't even aware that he was black, so certainly wasn't an issue when I posted this!
You wave around a gun, you're going to get shot. Hopefully.
The matter of the guy getting shot in his bed is totally different from this, as, apparently, he was of no threat.
I don't feel that the situations can be compared in such a way.
Of course the police shouldn't have shot a man laying naked, unarmed in his bed - but yes, a man waving around what could be a lethal weapon, shoot him, kill him, take him out before he does anyone important any harm!
You wave around a gun, you're going to get shot. Hopefully.
The matter of the guy getting shot in his bed is totally different from this, as, apparently, he was of no threat.
I don't feel that the situations can be compared in such a way.
Of course the police shouldn't have shot a man laying naked, unarmed in his bed - but yes, a man waving around what could be a lethal weapon, shoot him, kill him, take him out before he does anyone important any harm!
We are not going there Wookie, ok?
Fact is, police shootings are reported more frequently that you or I are aware.
Example: The guy shot naked in bed by police.
Like you said, colour is irrelevant.
Fact is, police shootings are reported more frequently that you or I are aware.
Example: The guy shot naked in bed by police.
Like you said, colour is irrelevant.
Apparently, crowds gathered at the cordon, racial tension in Brixton has increased, and the lawyer from the Stephen Lawrence case has demanded that the Met apologise!
I sense that this is very quickly going to degenerate into a race issue; i.e. they shot him because he was black.
I'm sorry, but his colour is irrelevant. He had a gun to the head of a hostage - be he black, white, yellow, brown, or pink with purple spots, he got what he deserved.
I own a CO2 powered 8-shot air pistol which looks very much like a real gun. I also own 4 replica, blank-firing pistols, one of which is a 6-inch Magnum .357, and another of which is a Desert Eagle. Why do I have them? Because I like them. I use the air pistol in my garden every summer, shooting at a proper target; I do not and will never shoot animals of any kind, and I never wave any of them around in public.
If I took any one of those guns to my local shops, grabbed a 'hostage' and put it to their heads, I would fully expect to meet with an armed response from police, and more than likely get myself shot. If I was either the hostage or an onlooker, I'd have shot him myself, given the chance.
The police have absolutely no idea that the gun is a replica. Hell, if they start worrying about that, then all an armed robber has to do to avoid being shot by the police is paint his real gun in bright colours; "make it look like a toy and they daren't open fire!"
He may well have been "a nice quiet man", and/or "a traffic warden emplyed by the local council" but that does *not* mean that he is incapable of committing such an act.
You can't shoot to incapacitate in those situations; shoot him in the arm or leg, and he can still fire the damn gun. You have to shoot to kill.
One last point, which I feel is a perfectly valid question, even though it will probably get this message deleted: would this shooting be such a big issue if the dead man was white?
I sense that this is very quickly going to degenerate into a race issue; i.e. they shot him because he was black.
I'm sorry, but his colour is irrelevant. He had a gun to the head of a hostage - be he black, white, yellow, brown, or pink with purple spots, he got what he deserved.
I own a CO2 powered 8-shot air pistol which looks very much like a real gun. I also own 4 replica, blank-firing pistols, one of which is a 6-inch Magnum .357, and another of which is a Desert Eagle. Why do I have them? Because I like them. I use the air pistol in my garden every summer, shooting at a proper target; I do not and will never shoot animals of any kind, and I never wave any of them around in public.
If I took any one of those guns to my local shops, grabbed a 'hostage' and put it to their heads, I would fully expect to meet with an armed response from police, and more than likely get myself shot. If I was either the hostage or an onlooker, I'd have shot him myself, given the chance.
The police have absolutely no idea that the gun is a replica. Hell, if they start worrying about that, then all an armed robber has to do to avoid being shot by the police is paint his real gun in bright colours; "make it look like a toy and they daren't open fire!"
He may well have been "a nice quiet man", and/or "a traffic warden emplyed by the local council" but that does *not* mean that he is incapable of committing such an act.
You can't shoot to incapacitate in those situations; shoot him in the arm or leg, and he can still fire the damn gun. You have to shoot to kill.
One last point, which I feel is a perfectly valid question, even though it will probably get this message deleted: would this shooting be such a big issue if the dead man was white?
Meka_Dragon wrote:
apparently when the police burst into the bedroom the
> man was clutching a hard object under the covers. He told the
> officers that it was about to go off. Threatened by this they shot
> him.
That means all men over the age of 13 had better lock their doors and pray the police dont burst in.
apparently when the police burst into the bedroom the
> man was clutching a hard object under the covers. He told the
> officers that it was about to go off. Threatened by this they shot
> him.
That means all men over the age of 13 had better lock their doors and pray the police dont burst in.
Goatboy wrote:
Not too sure about the facts on this one, but this does
> closely follow the investigation (at last) of the police breaking
> into a suspect's home and shooting him dead as he lay naked in
> bed.
>Justify that one.
Having read* the facts on this, apparently when the police burst into the bedroom the man was clutching a hard object under the covers. He told the officers that it was about to go off. Threatened by this they shot him.
In this case I use the word 'read' to mean 'just made up'.
Not too sure about the facts on this one, but this does
> closely follow the investigation (at last) of the police breaking
> into a suspect's home and shooting him dead as he lay naked in
> bed.
>Justify that one.
Having read* the facts on this, apparently when the police burst into the bedroom the man was clutching a hard object under the covers. He told the officers that it was about to go off. Threatened by this they shot him.
In this case I use the word 'read' to mean 'just made up'.
I have a question. If people are going to protest against this then dont they want the police?
Do they want a world where people can go around shooting people and not be stopped?
If there is moral outrage over this then they obviously want that, and frankly I'd rather be dead than in a world like that!
Do they want a world where people can go around shooting people and not be stopped?
If there is moral outrage over this then they obviously want that, and frankly I'd rather be dead than in a world like that!
I'm taking my lighter that looks like a tank back to the shop before some itchy triggered police officer shoots me repeatedly and kills me.
Not too sure about the facts on this one, but this does closely follow the investigation (at last) of the police breaking into a suspect's home and shooting him dead as he lay naked in bed.
Justify that one.
Not too sure about the facts on this one, but this does closely follow the investigation (at last) of the police breaking into a suspect's home and shooting him dead as he lay naked in bed.
Justify that one.
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