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Wed 29/06/05 at 15:43
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For some people it's straight forward, for some they're not bothered and those who can't decide (Agnostics), because I find that each of the topic need more info :

Science
1.The Big Bang Theory - a logical idea, but where does the all the matter in the univrse come from in the first place? Which is compressed in very small space and then exploded.

2.How did the first creatures came into existence out of a stable environment?

3.How did the Big Bang created resources on earth?
e.g metal ores, soil, etc


Religion
1.How did God appear in existence and then create life; perhaps something else created God?

2."God love and care" for people, yet if bad things happen to good people why doesn't God do something about it.

3.How does religion explains the end of life when the sun turns into a red giant and explodes creating a black hole and sucking anything near it?

Which leads me to conclude on my theory that:
God created Earth and all life, then let the people to decide whether they believe in God or not.
Assuming God is in existence, God thought about what life materials life would need and created them within Earth?
The end of life when the sun enlarges and the explodes, perhaps too many people sinned? God did not intend for life to carry on?

Any ideas?
Mon 04/07/05 at 11:26
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Ant wrote:
> Oh, so you would prefer life if murder was an everyday, normal thing?
> And you think life would be FAR better if rape was approved of?
>
>
WTF? Where'd that come from?!
Mon 04/07/05 at 11:26
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Ahhh free will.

I heard a great argument once.

'God gave us free will, so as not to force us to love him. He does not reveal himself to us because that would negate his gift of free will, therefore he exists because he does not reveal himself, and if he did, we'd all know he exists anyway, but that'd be mean to us'
Mon 04/07/05 at 11:25
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If God allows free will, can someone explain the whole Moses and the burning bush thing to me please?

Like how God wouldn't take no for an answer and after about 7 (if I remember correctly) times of being told no, Moses finally gave in.

Where was free will then, eh?
Mon 04/07/05 at 11:23
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Oh, so you would prefer life if murder was an everyday, normal thing? And you think life would be FAR better if rape was approved of?

God simply set out guidelines, he hasn't placed restrictions. He set out guidelines for how we should live our lives, and to be honest, if we did all live as the Bible teaches us (and that includes me, because like all Christians I'm by no means whatsoever perfect), then the World would be a far better place.
Sun 03/07/05 at 22:59
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Er ... surely without sin we'd have more freedom to do as we wished, seeing as the fear of divine retribution is removed?

Free will came first, after all, it was God who decided to put restrictions on it. "Yeah, do what you like ... NO! DON'T DO THAT!"
And ruin the whole thing ... seeing as true free will can have no restrictions or guidelines or punishments.
Sun 03/07/05 at 21:38
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Yeah, but the standard is so high that it's apparently impossible for anyone to get in on being good, so you have to beg God for forgiveness instead.

Ant wrote:
> Yes but if there wasn't sin then firstly, we'd already be in Heaven,
> and secondly, we wouldn't have the free will to do whatever we
> wished.

And it wouldn't have mattered because we'd be happy either way.
Personally, I think that God chose between free-will and perfection. Some people seem to think he expects both.
Sun 03/07/05 at 17:56
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Only believers in God goes to heaven?
Or people who do good things in their life too?
Sun 03/07/05 at 16:44
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Edgy wrote:
> Alfonse wrote:
> down wrote:
> If God forgives, is there such a place as Hell?
>
> He only forgives if you admit your sins and devote your life to God.
>
> But God created sin, thus, he should answer to us.

Yes but if there wasn't sin then firstly, we'd already be in Heaven, and secondly, we wouldn't have the free will to do whatever we wished.
Sun 03/07/05 at 12:18
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I live in a very christain town and many of my friends are christain and have become them in the past year but the same won't happen to me as I don't believe in God.

Anyway I want to know that if you are a christain do you not think it would make more sense to study the first version of the Bible and get it translated from Hebrew to English word for word? The Bible has been translated and rewritten in so many different ways to suit the teachings of certain religeous groups and different countrys over the years that different things will have been added and things changed over the centuaries?
Sun 03/07/05 at 11:26
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Alfonse wrote:
> down wrote:
> If God forgives, is there such a place as Hell?
>
> He only forgives if you admit your sins and devote your life to God.

But God created sin, thus, he should answer to us.

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