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"OMFFFFG -Watch your mouth (serious)"

This is it. This is the day we've all feared:

[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4629399.stm[/URL]

So that's all folks, SR's servers could be shut down and confiscated if the authorities see fit, and a gagging order can be imposed (See the 2004 case) so we'd never find out why. Unbelievable.

FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Goatboy wrote:
> Here's the information that will be stored on your card
> [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4630045.stm[/URL]
>
> Date of death?

So if someone dies, people can keep their card and the information on it. For sentimental/will/vandalism value of course.

Another few issues that confuse me.

Are we to believe that 'terrorists' won't be able to make a quick forge of an I.D card anyway?

The governement wants to slash civil servants but who exactly is going to help run the I.D card system?

Oh and my favourite:

" They're not compulsory, yet. Though, you will need to show one when collecting your pension and other benefits "

Hedfix wrote:
> People will refuse to accept it and it will collapse.
>
> Imagine someone mugs you and takes your card giving details of all
> the places you own that are able to be easily burgled.
>
> Great idea.

I doubt it will be quite as easy as you suggest, but sooner or later someone will work out how to gain unauthorised access to the card's information.

That would be excellent, though.

Hedfix wrote:
> People will refuse to accept it and it will collapse.

I wish I could believe that.

SHEEPY wrote:
> I just don't get it.
> Nobody wants it, £20 billion of hard earned money thrown away
> on something that will achieve practically nothing.

Problem is, 'information' nowadays is worth the cost, to the government anyway.

Having data on people is big business.

We're just striding that one step closer to '1984'.

Sheepy & Hedfix have nailed it.
Nobody wants it except government. A government we elected to serve OUR interests. This isn't a dictatorship yet, despite their best wishes.
It has become a "SHUT UP PEASANT, WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST" style of rule and absolutely nothing like Labour has been before Blair.
And as David Davis points out (loathe though I am to agree with a Tory) "If, ten years ago, I had gone on the radio and said that within a decade a Labour government would try to do away with jury trial, remove Habeas Corpus, eliminate the presumption of innocence, introduce punishment without trial, and put house arrest on the statute book, they would have locked me up."

But pointing out the pervasive and insidious nature of this government will make no difference.
Just as, for months and months, people argued and shouted and calmly tried to explain that the impending Iraq war was for false reasons (anybody here still going to argue that one? Belldandy? Anybody?) and we were being forcefed propaganda and lies.
Anybody raising objection then was sneered at and told they were commies and unpatriotic. Just as people opposed to this ID card system will be vilified once the press realise it's inevitable and are persuaded to play along.

We were told it was to prevent terrorism. We asked why, they couldn't say
We were told it was to prevent illegal immigrants. We asked why, they could't say
We were told it was to prevent benefit fraud. We asked why, they couldn't say
We were told it was to prevent crimes. We asked why, they couldn't say

Anytime they proffer a reason for this and we say "Well just how will it combat that particular straw dog then?" they mumble and point at something else in the hope we'll forget.
And the timing is, as ever, wonderful.
We're approaching the one year anniversary of the US handover of power to (an approved and installed) Iraq. And the bloodshed and attacks are as widespread, if not more than, ever before.
Bush is facing increasing hostility from his public (screw them, they voted that chimpanzee) for what is becoming a killing field.
Blair is being questioned too.

But ID cards people, they're important.
You dont want them but they're important.

Hehe, that's quite ironic, SR's daddy company is called 'Inter-mediates' and the one shut down 'indymedia' maybe they got the wrong place.

People will refuse to accept it and it will collapse.

Imagine someone mugs you and takes your card giving details of all the places you own that are able to be easily burgled.

Great idea.

I just don't get it.
Nobody wants it, £20 billion of hard earned money thrown away on something that will achieve practically nothing.