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I have made up my mind, after years of being Liberal I am going to vote Labour at the elections next Thursday. Reason are way to many to list but in short, since Labour took over I have bought my own home, we have a good life style we want for little and in general for me at least every thing is tickety Boo just now.
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Light said
No because you see, they'll still get punished for breaking and entering. Just not for possession of drugs. And under a LibDem policy, whilst they're serving time for breaking and entering, they'd also be getting the help they need to beat their addiction. Do you see?
But they say
will make more non-violent criminals do tough community work as
an alternative to jail. Experience shows this reduces reoffending,
gives them skills for legitimate work, and means that they pay back
to the community.
So where does it say that they're going to actually serve time for breaking and entering? It clearly states there that they will do tough community work as an alternative to jail, not both. So it seems it's you Light who's got this wrong now doesn't it. So next time you try to wind me up, at least have the ability to be right in what your saying instead of being such a c"Łk about it all. And next time you have a go at me for getting one word wrong, don't be a hypocrite and do it yourself now will you.
No because you see, they'll still get punished for breaking and entering. Just not for possession of drugs. And under a LibDem policy, whilst they're serving time for breaking and entering, they'd also be getting the help they need to beat their addiction. Do you see?
But they say
will make more non-violent criminals do tough community work as
an alternative to jail. Experience shows this reduces reoffending,
gives them skills for legitimate work, and means that they pay back
to the community.
So where does it say that they're going to actually serve time for breaking and entering? It clearly states there that they will do tough community work as an alternative to jail, not both. So it seems it's you Light who's got this wrong now doesn't it. So next time you try to wind me up, at least have the ability to be right in what your saying instead of being such a c"Łk about it all. And next time you have a go at me for getting one word wrong, don't be a hypocrite and do it yourself now will you.
kevstar wrote:
> But they say
> will make more non-violent criminals do tough community work as
> an alternative to jail. Experience shows this reduces reoffending,
> gives them skills for legitimate work, and means that they pay back
> to the community.
>
> So where does it say that they're going to actually serve time for
> breaking and entering? It clearly states there that they will do
> tough community work as an alternative to jail, not both. And
> what exactly is tough community work anyway? Srubbing chewing gum of
> the streets?
They give back to the community they harmed.
You'd rather people who did a petty crime just got locked away and have the key thrown away?
> Light also says
> As near as I can tell, you're assuming that dope dealers also deal
> heroin, crack etc. And some do; they are not harmless. No-one apart
> from you has said they are.
>
> Rubbish, how in Gods name did you work that one out?
Well, you DID interpret "less harsh on cannabis dealers" as "so smack/crack dealers will be running wild getting everyone addicted".
> Listen you
> idiot. My best freinds sister died from a speed overdose given by her
> dealer. There mother and father are now alcoholicks due to the death
> of thier daughter, there plumbing business is no more, and now, 6
> years later there still in the same sorry state. Now would you like
> to tell there mother that there not harmless?
Okies. I said that the average dealer is "relatively harmless" in that all they are doing is selling the drug for the price you pay them. They're not the entrapment type. And yes, the drugs are still dangerous, especially as you don't really know what you're getting. Sometimes dealers do mix stuff with their product to make it seem like there's more. But even then, a lot of that depends on where they got it from. Thing is, concentrating on individual dealers is like taking out pawns - they are easily replaced.
And although what they are dabbling in is dangerous, most don't mean harm by it at all, just selling something they like to use themselves.
But it's still kind of irresponsible. Sorry to hear about your friend's sister. :-(
> But they say
> will make more non-violent criminals do tough community work as
> an alternative to jail. Experience shows this reduces reoffending,
> gives them skills for legitimate work, and means that they pay back
> to the community.
>
> So where does it say that they're going to actually serve time for
> breaking and entering? It clearly states there that they will do
> tough community work as an alternative to jail, not both. And
> what exactly is tough community work anyway? Srubbing chewing gum of
> the streets?
They give back to the community they harmed.
You'd rather people who did a petty crime just got locked away and have the key thrown away?
> Light also says
> As near as I can tell, you're assuming that dope dealers also deal
> heroin, crack etc. And some do; they are not harmless. No-one apart
> from you has said they are.
>
> Rubbish, how in Gods name did you work that one out?
Well, you DID interpret "less harsh on cannabis dealers" as "so smack/crack dealers will be running wild getting everyone addicted".
> Listen you
> idiot. My best freinds sister died from a speed overdose given by her
> dealer. There mother and father are now alcoholicks due to the death
> of thier daughter, there plumbing business is no more, and now, 6
> years later there still in the same sorry state. Now would you like
> to tell there mother that there not harmless?
Okies. I said that the average dealer is "relatively harmless" in that all they are doing is selling the drug for the price you pay them. They're not the entrapment type. And yes, the drugs are still dangerous, especially as you don't really know what you're getting. Sometimes dealers do mix stuff with their product to make it seem like there's more. But even then, a lot of that depends on where they got it from. Thing is, concentrating on individual dealers is like taking out pawns - they are easily replaced.
And although what they are dabbling in is dangerous, most don't mean harm by it at all, just selling something they like to use themselves.
But it's still kind of irresponsible. Sorry to hear about your friend's sister. :-(
Light said
No because you see, they'll still get punished for breaking and entering. Just not for possession of drugs. And under a LibDem policy, whilst they're serving time for breaking and entering, they'd also be getting the help they need to beat their addiction. Do you see?
But they say
will make more non-violent criminals do tough community work as
an alternative to jail. Experience shows this reduces reoffending,
gives them skills for legitimate work, and means that they pay back
to the community.
So where does it say that they're going to actually serve time for breaking and entering? It clearly states there that they will do tough community work as an alternative to jail, not both. And what exactly is tough community work anyway? Srubbing chewing gum of the streets?
Light says
Frail attempt? Well it's worked hasn't it; here you are trying to prove that even though you're wrong, you're right.
What, when I said I was wrong? So no it hasn't worked because I never said I was right after I admited I was wrong, unless you can show me otherwise.
Light also says
As near as I can tell, you're assuming that dope dealers also deal heroin, crack etc. And some do; they are not harmless. No-one apart from you has said they are.
Rubbish, how in Gods name did you work that one out? Listen you idiot. My best freinds sister died from a speed overdose given by her dealer. There mother and father are now alcoholicks due to the death of thier daughter, there plumbing business is no more, and now, 6 years later there still in the same sorry state. Now would you like to tell there mother that there not harmless? How many other familys are in the same position as the one just mentioned? Any dealer, does harm, what, do you think they do any good when selling this sŁ$%, then please explain, cos i'm dying to know exactly what good theese supposed dealers actually do other than cause missery.
No because you see, they'll still get punished for breaking and entering. Just not for possession of drugs. And under a LibDem policy, whilst they're serving time for breaking and entering, they'd also be getting the help they need to beat their addiction. Do you see?
But they say
will make more non-violent criminals do tough community work as
an alternative to jail. Experience shows this reduces reoffending,
gives them skills for legitimate work, and means that they pay back
to the community.
So where does it say that they're going to actually serve time for breaking and entering? It clearly states there that they will do tough community work as an alternative to jail, not both. And what exactly is tough community work anyway? Srubbing chewing gum of the streets?
Light says
Frail attempt? Well it's worked hasn't it; here you are trying to prove that even though you're wrong, you're right.
What, when I said I was wrong? So no it hasn't worked because I never said I was right after I admited I was wrong, unless you can show me otherwise.
Light also says
As near as I can tell, you're assuming that dope dealers also deal heroin, crack etc. And some do; they are not harmless. No-one apart from you has said they are.
Rubbish, how in Gods name did you work that one out? Listen you idiot. My best freinds sister died from a speed overdose given by her dealer. There mother and father are now alcoholicks due to the death of thier daughter, there plumbing business is no more, and now, 6 years later there still in the same sorry state. Now would you like to tell there mother that there not harmless? How many other familys are in the same position as the one just mentioned? Any dealer, does harm, what, do you think they do any good when selling this sŁ$%, then please explain, cos i'm dying to know exactly what good theese supposed dealers actually do other than cause missery.
I heard that cannabis was only made illeagal in the 1930's where it was used as an excuse to deport mexicans during the great depression.
(maybe that was just America)
(maybe that was just America)
cannabis dealers are relatively harmless.....
Yep I agree with that statement, how ever, they are still dealers! what I think is that its a crying shame that folks with the likes of MS, and other ailments who do get genuine relief from some symptons have to go to cannabis dealers to get what should be available from Doctors by prescription. I know for a fact that cannabis can reach parts that conventional medicens cant reach! I have seen it with my own eyes, but had to go to a dealer who took his cut etc etc etc, and I had no idea where it came from etc etc etc, but if our doctor could prescribe it? then it would be a standard dose and NO NEED for dealers? in this perfect Euorpean ideal, how come its available in some parts legally but not here?
Yep I agree with that statement, how ever, they are still dealers! what I think is that its a crying shame that folks with the likes of MS, and other ailments who do get genuine relief from some symptons have to go to cannabis dealers to get what should be available from Doctors by prescription. I know for a fact that cannabis can reach parts that conventional medicens cant reach! I have seen it with my own eyes, but had to go to a dealer who took his cut etc etc etc, and I had no idea where it came from etc etc etc, but if our doctor could prescribe it? then it would be a standard dose and NO NEED for dealers? in this perfect Euorpean ideal, how come its available in some parts legally but not here?
Twiggy's gone, and the Tories are invading....
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For some reason, I don't think he will agree.
And that's the distinction that the LibDems have drawn.
So that's why they're easing off on Canabis usage/dealage.
So don't worry Kevstar, the Crack/Smack crew won't have it any easier. Infact they'll have more attention on them with resources being taken off the petty stuff. Surely you must agree that's a good thing.
So that's why they're easing off on Canabis usage/dealage.
So don't worry Kevstar, the Crack/Smack crew won't have it any easier. Infact they'll have more attention on them with resources being taken off the petty stuff. Surely you must agree that's a good thing.
cannabis dealers are relatively harmless, yes, but crack dealers and heroine dealers are ruthless and exploit the misery and addiction of other people for their own financial gain.
It wasn't a statistic, it was a personal estimation, yes.
And I've met lots of people who can be classed as "dealers", since they sell people drugs. I've loads of friends who've used drugs who buy them off "dealers". Not seen any crazy dealers entrapping them...
It wasn't some accurate measurement, it was a way of saying:
"Yes, some dealers follow that stereotype, but they are in the minority, just like every other stereotype ever invented."
Kevstar was claiming that all drug dealers are like the stereotype. So I pointed out otherwise. I wasn't relying on any statistic. Should've been obvious by the context. Did you actually read what I was saying or did you try to pick out a line to argue with?
And I've met lots of people who can be classed as "dealers", since they sell people drugs. I've loads of friends who've used drugs who buy them off "dealers". Not seen any crazy dealers entrapping them...
It wasn't some accurate measurement, it was a way of saying:
"Yes, some dealers follow that stereotype, but they are in the minority, just like every other stereotype ever invented."
Kevstar was claiming that all drug dealers are like the stereotype. So I pointed out otherwise. I wasn't relying on any statistic. Should've been obvious by the context. Did you actually read what I was saying or did you try to pick out a line to argue with?
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