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I live in a reasonably unpleasant area. By which I mean the people are lowlives.
There are a lot of students, most of whom are fine.
There are decent families, same.
And decent other people.
And there are lowlives. I'm going to try to keep clear of labels like chavs, because not all the ash-holes are chavs (see the 'most of whom are fine', above), and not all the 'chavs' (by my definition at least) are ash-holes.
I've met a few who've seemed nice enough. And certainly plenty who don't go out of their way to be obnoxious to strangers.
But then there are the lowlives.
People who pick fights with random people on a night out, people who are offensive to strangers. People who ask for money in the street (not even homeless people, though I'm sure you all know the kind I mean) then hassle you when you refuse. Random kids who throw stones at passers-by.
I have no idea how far you can morally legitimately go in response to lowlife provocation,
or for that matter how far you should go.
But I'm pretty sick of soaking up bull***t from strangers.
So, general comments on how you personally would deal with these kinds of people please.
And a questionaire - What do you do when:
- You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to you
- Same, but you're with your girlfriend
- Walking alone at night, someone acts in a threatening / intimidating manner towards you
i) If you think you could take him
ii) And if you couldn't
- Same, but you're with your girlfriend
i) Could take him
ii) Couldn't
- A couple of random kids throw stones at you as you're walking somewhere
i)You're alone
ii)You're with mates
iii)You're with girlfriend
- Someone stops you in the street and asks for a small amount of money, and is offensive to you if/when you refuse
- Same, but they ask to use your mobile
Some of the above scenarios have happened to me in the last couple of months, at keast one of each 'type', and I really don't know how you should deal with it, or how far you can reasonably go to protect your dignity
There are a lot of students, most of whom are fine.
There are decent families, same.
And decent other people.
And there are lowlives. I'm going to try to keep clear of labels like chavs, because not all the ash-holes are chavs (see the 'most of whom are fine', above), and not all the 'chavs' (by my definition at least) are ash-holes.
I've met a few who've seemed nice enough. And certainly plenty who don't go out of their way to be obnoxious to strangers.
But then there are the lowlives.
People who pick fights with random people on a night out, people who are offensive to strangers. People who ask for money in the street (not even homeless people, though I'm sure you all know the kind I mean) then hassle you when you refuse. Random kids who throw stones at passers-by.
I have no idea how far you can morally legitimately go in response to lowlife provocation,
or for that matter how far you should go.
But I'm pretty sick of soaking up bull***t from strangers.
So, general comments on how you personally would deal with these kinds of people please.
And a questionaire - What do you do when:
- You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to you
- Same, but you're with your girlfriend
- Walking alone at night, someone acts in a threatening / intimidating manner towards you
i) If you think you could take him
ii) And if you couldn't
- Same, but you're with your girlfriend
i) Could take him
ii) Couldn't
- A couple of random kids throw stones at you as you're walking somewhere
i)You're alone
ii)You're with mates
iii)You're with girlfriend
- Someone stops you in the street and asks for a small amount of money, and is offensive to you if/when you refuse
- Same, but they ask to use your mobile
Some of the above scenarios have happened to me in the last couple of months, at keast one of each 'type', and I really don't know how you should deal with it, or how far you can reasonably go to protect your dignity
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Mumbai Duck wrote:
> - You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to
> you
Ignore them. Run, if they are older than me. Laugh, if they are younger.
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
Laugh, no matter what age they are.
Can't be bothered with the rest.
> - You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to
> you
Ignore them. Run, if they are older than me. Laugh, if they are younger.
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
Laugh, no matter what age they are.
Can't be bothered with the rest.
Local, tightly knit areas are tough, since if you're picked on by a gang they're probably "the" gang of the area. If you really have the time and effort, do some info digging on them. Alternatively, setup a neighbourhood watch with the nice people. It works, apparently.
Clazon wrote:
> Also, I don't feel Flock's answers would resolve anything. In most
> cases they would just continue to persue him.
You would think so but i've had some of those problems and they never have, obviously i'd have to think of something else if it didn't work.
> Also, I don't feel Flock's answers would resolve anything. In most
> cases they would just continue to persue him.
You would think so but i've had some of those problems and they never have, obviously i'd have to think of something else if it didn't work.
lcarus wrote:
> If you've seen them before, then use the run like a pansy strategy. If
> they're just another faceless lowlife, will they even bother looking
> you up?
MD was talking about in his local area and that these incidents were regular occurances. There would be a good chance that he was spotted again.
Also, I don't feel Flock's answers would resolve anything. In most cases they would just continue to persue him.
> If you've seen them before, then use the run like a pansy strategy. If
> they're just another faceless lowlife, will they even bother looking
> you up?
MD was talking about in his local area and that these incidents were regular occurances. There would be a good chance that he was spotted again.
Also, I don't feel Flock's answers would resolve anything. In most cases they would just continue to persue him.
All adapted from The Art of War, may I add.
If you've seen them before, then use the run like a pansy strategy. If they're just another faceless lowlife, will they even bother looking you up?
lcarus wrote:
> For the stones scenario, identify the leader, walk to him (run if he
> continues to pelt stones, though he's more likely to run off) and
> give him a good clean punch to the nose. He's smaller than you, so
> it'll probably take him down. People who are bigger than you don't
> throw stones, so it doesn't apply.
What if they get their "big brother" on you?
I've seen it happen before.
> For the stones scenario, identify the leader, walk to him (run if he
> continues to pelt stones, though he's more likely to run off) and
> give him a good clean punch to the nose. He's smaller than you, so
> it'll probably take him down. People who are bigger than you don't
> throw stones, so it doesn't apply.
What if they get their "big brother" on you?
I've seen it happen before.
Mumbai Duck wrote:
> And a questionaire - What do you do when:
>
>
> - You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to
> you
I smile, have a dig back but do it in a jokey way and walk off
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
Same
> - Walking alone at night, someone acts in a threatening /
> intimidating manner towards you
> i) If you think you could take him
I try to stay out of trouble but i'll defend myself if needed
> ii) And if you couldn't
Walk off
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
> i) Could take him
Same as above
> ii) Couldn't
Tell her to walk on ahead and i'd try and keep him busy
> - A couple of random kids throw stones at you as you're walking
> somewhere
> i)You're alone
Ignore
> ii)You're with mates
Let them deal with it
> iii)You're with girlfriend
Not sure if i'm honest
> - Someone stops you in the street and asks for a small amount of
> money, and is offensive to you if/when you refuse
I just smile and walk away
> - Same, but they ask to use your mobile
Tell them i'm busy and walk off or blank them
> And a questionaire - What do you do when:
>
>
> - You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to
> you
I smile, have a dig back but do it in a jokey way and walk off
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
Same
> - Walking alone at night, someone acts in a threatening /
> intimidating manner towards you
> i) If you think you could take him
I try to stay out of trouble but i'll defend myself if needed
> ii) And if you couldn't
Walk off
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
> i) Could take him
Same as above
> ii) Couldn't
Tell her to walk on ahead and i'd try and keep him busy
> - A couple of random kids throw stones at you as you're walking
> somewhere
> i)You're alone
Ignore
> ii)You're with mates
Let them deal with it
> iii)You're with girlfriend
Not sure if i'm honest
> - Someone stops you in the street and asks for a small amount of
> money, and is offensive to you if/when you refuse
I just smile and walk away
> - Same, but they ask to use your mobile
Tell them i'm busy and walk off or blank them
A clearcut "F uck off retard" is usually enough in most of those situations. If your girl is with you, well, she can take a bit of swearing right?
For the stones scenario, identify the leader, walk to him (run if he continues to pelt stones, though he's more likely to run off) and give him a good clean punch to the nose. He's smaller than you, so it'll probably take him down. People who are bigger than you don't throw stones, so it doesn't apply.
If they are bigger/stronger, or the rest of the group starts turning on you, run away like a pansy, as the plan has obviously gone wrong. Same goes if there are knives involved.
If you have mates with you, everyone turn on the leader. Don't split up your fights, though make sure the rest of the kids don't join in and get you from behind.
If any of the above scenarios involve groups, just keep your distance, but make sure you're aware of them.
£3.50 for the lesson, or I'll throw stones at your window.
For the stones scenario, identify the leader, walk to him (run if he continues to pelt stones, though he's more likely to run off) and give him a good clean punch to the nose. He's smaller than you, so it'll probably take him down. People who are bigger than you don't throw stones, so it doesn't apply.
If they are bigger/stronger, or the rest of the group starts turning on you, run away like a pansy, as the plan has obviously gone wrong. Same goes if there are knives involved.
If you have mates with you, everyone turn on the leader. Don't split up your fights, though make sure the rest of the kids don't join in and get you from behind.
If any of the above scenarios involve groups, just keep your distance, but make sure you're aware of them.
£3.50 for the lesson, or I'll throw stones at your window.
Mumbai Duck wrote:
> So, general comments on how you personally would deal with these
> kinds of people please.
That's a personal thing.
> And a questionaire - What do you do when:
>
>
> - You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to
> you
Toughie there's nothing you can do really. I would ignore him, but it really wouldn't work.
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
You can definitely ignore them now.
> - Walking alone at night, someone acts in a threatening /
> intimidating manner towards you
> i) If you think you could take him
Leave it.
> ii) And if you couldn't
Leave it and possibly run.
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
> i) Could take him
Leave it. Sympathy vote from girlfriend after whatever happens.
> ii) Couldn't
Leave it. Sympathy vote from girlfriend after whatever happens.
> - A couple of random kids throw stones at you as you're walking
> somewhere
> i)You're alone
Leave it. They'll stop. Report to the police.
> ii)You're with mates
Tell em to F-off.
> iii)You're with girlfriend
Leave it. They'll stop report it.
> - Someone stops you in the street and asks for a small amount of
> money, and is offensive to you if/when you refuse
I usually say all I've got is 20p and give that to them.
> - Same, but they ask to use your mobile
Don't let them borrow it. Take it as far as you can until they're serious about beating you up or knifing you.
Generally I'm a passivist. Don't get me wrong, I'm strong. But just because I'm male and below 40, makes me a particular target to this kind of abuse. If it were me, I'd move and persistently report stuff to police. The more reports they get, the more likely they are to do something.
> So, general comments on how you personally would deal with these
> kinds of people please.
That's a personal thing.
> And a questionaire - What do you do when:
>
>
> - You're walking alone at night, a stranger is highly offensive to
> you
Toughie there's nothing you can do really. I would ignore him, but it really wouldn't work.
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
You can definitely ignore them now.
> - Walking alone at night, someone acts in a threatening /
> intimidating manner towards you
> i) If you think you could take him
Leave it.
> ii) And if you couldn't
Leave it and possibly run.
> - Same, but you're with your girlfriend
> i) Could take him
Leave it. Sympathy vote from girlfriend after whatever happens.
> ii) Couldn't
Leave it. Sympathy vote from girlfriend after whatever happens.
> - A couple of random kids throw stones at you as you're walking
> somewhere
> i)You're alone
Leave it. They'll stop. Report to the police.
> ii)You're with mates
Tell em to F-off.
> iii)You're with girlfriend
Leave it. They'll stop report it.
> - Someone stops you in the street and asks for a small amount of
> money, and is offensive to you if/when you refuse
I usually say all I've got is 20p and give that to them.
> - Same, but they ask to use your mobile
Don't let them borrow it. Take it as far as you can until they're serious about beating you up or knifing you.
Generally I'm a passivist. Don't get me wrong, I'm strong. But just because I'm male and below 40, makes me a particular target to this kind of abuse. If it were me, I'd move and persistently report stuff to police. The more reports they get, the more likely they are to do something.
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