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Everybody has down-days yes. Down-years though? I know Beckham had an "ok" game last night, but lets face it, it was against Azerbaijan. Do you think he should be dropped from the England first-team and stripped of the captaincy?
Beckham has done jack for England (and I guess to an extent his club team) since "the" qualifying game against Greece.
I admire him for the way he flipped being a public hate figure around to being the most loved footballer in the country, from being a petulant child on the pitch to being a man and leading by example. However, saying that Beckham still deserves to be in the side at this moment in time just because of his past achievements is poppycock.
Yes, David Beckham does have a killer cross on him. Or at least he did.
Yes, David Beckham can whip in a brilliant dead-ball. Or at least he could.
Why was Beckham excelling in these areas? Practice. What happens when you get less practice? You lose your talent (or it diminishes at least).
When Beckham moved to Real Madrid that was the start of the end of his brilliance. He was switched into the centre or midfield because of the range of his passing. Fair enough. You tell me though, how often would you see a central midfielder getting to the final third of the field and whipping in a killer cross for a team-mate arriving in the box?
Beckham was known for his great engine too, the fact that he gave his all for England, leading by example, chasing balls down and getting in the thick of the action. Even players with limited skill (take Kevin Kilbane at Everton for example) who play in this kind of way are revered by the fans because they sense the importance of a win and the show of determination makes people happy. On far too few occasions though Beckham has drifted through a game, relying on his past achievements and knowing that no matter how badly he plays he will still start the next international match. Is it because he is irreplaceable? Is it because we don't have anyone up to his standard to play on the right wing? Is it because everyone looks at Beckham when they're on the pitch and thinks "he's showing me how I should be playing"? OR is it because Beckham is the captain, the most famous English footballer, the "nice guy", the money-maker andthe face of English Football all over the world?
How many times have you seen asians walking to an England game wearing England shirts bearing the Beckham name? Now flip that and ask how many England fans are likely to get "Beckham" on the back of their shirts as opposed to the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Owen... Terry?
If any one of the first four in htat list were injured, do you think they would be missed as much as Beckham? I know I certainly do.
Beckham living on his past glories is like somebody saying that Manchester United should bring back George Best because once.. back in the day, he was a superstar. Its like somebody paying 25m for Thuram, who is clearly not the player he once was.
Beckham has a good passing range, yes this is true.
Does he have a good eye for goal? His record suggests no.
Can he tackle well? See for yourself and you will realise its not one of his strong points.
Can he head a ball?
Does he have electric pace to take him past a full-back?
Does he have the strength and power to rely on when he's too tired to use his "pace"?
Can he dribble through 2 players to deliver a pass to a team-mate or a shot on goal?
The fact remains that if we started playing Michael Owen or Shaun Wright-Phillips or Frank Lampard or (Goodness help me) Keiron Dyer on the wing they would probably do as good a job as Beckham right now. Beckham has no competition for his place as its cemented. We've only just recently seen him being substituted during games - before say the last 4 games he was probably guaranteed to finish the 90mins whereas someone like Rooney I don't think has managed to complete one 90-minute match for England yet.
Familiarity breeds contempt they say, but I would still rather have Gary Neville as England right-back because he does his job perfectly and the greatest compliment you can say is that you hardly ever notice him when he's playing.
Beckham however, is another matter altogether.
T
Beckham has done jack for England (and I guess to an extent his club team) since "the" qualifying game against Greece.
I admire him for the way he flipped being a public hate figure around to being the most loved footballer in the country, from being a petulant child on the pitch to being a man and leading by example. However, saying that Beckham still deserves to be in the side at this moment in time just because of his past achievements is poppycock.
Yes, David Beckham does have a killer cross on him. Or at least he did.
Yes, David Beckham can whip in a brilliant dead-ball. Or at least he could.
Why was Beckham excelling in these areas? Practice. What happens when you get less practice? You lose your talent (or it diminishes at least).
When Beckham moved to Real Madrid that was the start of the end of his brilliance. He was switched into the centre or midfield because of the range of his passing. Fair enough. You tell me though, how often would you see a central midfielder getting to the final third of the field and whipping in a killer cross for a team-mate arriving in the box?
Beckham was known for his great engine too, the fact that he gave his all for England, leading by example, chasing balls down and getting in the thick of the action. Even players with limited skill (take Kevin Kilbane at Everton for example) who play in this kind of way are revered by the fans because they sense the importance of a win and the show of determination makes people happy. On far too few occasions though Beckham has drifted through a game, relying on his past achievements and knowing that no matter how badly he plays he will still start the next international match. Is it because he is irreplaceable? Is it because we don't have anyone up to his standard to play on the right wing? Is it because everyone looks at Beckham when they're on the pitch and thinks "he's showing me how I should be playing"? OR is it because Beckham is the captain, the most famous English footballer, the "nice guy", the money-maker andthe face of English Football all over the world?
How many times have you seen asians walking to an England game wearing England shirts bearing the Beckham name? Now flip that and ask how many England fans are likely to get "Beckham" on the back of their shirts as opposed to the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Owen... Terry?
If any one of the first four in htat list were injured, do you think they would be missed as much as Beckham? I know I certainly do.
Beckham living on his past glories is like somebody saying that Manchester United should bring back George Best because once.. back in the day, he was a superstar. Its like somebody paying 25m for Thuram, who is clearly not the player he once was.
Beckham has a good passing range, yes this is true.
Does he have a good eye for goal? His record suggests no.
Can he tackle well? See for yourself and you will realise its not one of his strong points.
Can he head a ball?
Does he have electric pace to take him past a full-back?
Does he have the strength and power to rely on when he's too tired to use his "pace"?
Can he dribble through 2 players to deliver a pass to a team-mate or a shot on goal?
The fact remains that if we started playing Michael Owen or Shaun Wright-Phillips or Frank Lampard or (Goodness help me) Keiron Dyer on the wing they would probably do as good a job as Beckham right now. Beckham has no competition for his place as its cemented. We've only just recently seen him being substituted during games - before say the last 4 games he was probably guaranteed to finish the 90mins whereas someone like Rooney I don't think has managed to complete one 90-minute match for England yet.
Familiarity breeds contempt they say, but I would still rather have Gary Neville as England right-back because he does his job perfectly and the greatest compliment you can say is that you hardly ever notice him when he's playing.
Beckham however, is another matter altogether.
T
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He's already scored one header past that waster country and it's rabies-infected coach. He didn't want to do it again.
Cong_Man wrote:
> How many times were all of you cursing repeatedly Owen's lack
> of height as another cross floated over his head?
Its a pity really because he's a great header on him, hes just too small to reach the ball half the time.
> How many times were all of you cursing repeatedly Owen's lack
> of height as another cross floated over his head?
Its a pity really because he's a great header on him, hes just too small to reach the ball half the time.
Couldn't have the pretty boy as captain, having such a marvellous player on the pitch would be unfair to everyone else and thus there would be no need for any tournament and should just give England the World Cup.
Phil, obviously.
Genius Neville is the obvious choice
Stevie for captain. It's between those two, surely.
JT for captain.
No game, ever, is tailor-made for Heskey.
1 - He's awful
2 - He kept Baros out of the 'Pool team
3 - He's really awful
1 - He's awful
2 - He kept Baros out of the 'Pool team
3 - He's really awful
Cong_Man wrote:
> Whilst I wouldn't want him in the team against any team with any kind
> of skill about them, last nights game was tailor-made for Emile
> Heskey.
Or Peter Crouch, the long limbed fellow :-D
> Whilst I wouldn't want him in the team against any team with any kind
> of skill about them, last nights game was tailor-made for Emile
> Heskey.
Or Peter Crouch, the long limbed fellow :-D
tken wrote:
> I see what you're saying, duly noted.
>
> As for playing Heskey instead of Owen... are you having a laugh?
> There would have been a public outcry if Heskey had played in front
> of Owen (who would have been dropped for apprently no reason at all).
Rubbish. Other international managers make decision based on 'horses for courses' all the time. They are usually justified by the result.
> If the likes of Beckham deserve to play then how can you justify
> dropping Owen for someone with Heskey's "talent"?
Heskey does have talent, not in the sense you mean, but his talent is being big strong and thriving on crosses and set pieces. How many crosses/set-pieces did Owen get on the end of???
> Surely
> the presence of Rooney up front gave enough aerial prowess and
> strength there anyway.
What presence? Rooney's role is linking midfield and attack. Therefore he was never in the positions to use his supposed physical presence.
Playing him up fron with Heskey would have
> been like playing two of the same player right next to each other -
> very rarely works.
>
Hesky and Rooney are nothing alike. Anyone can see that.
> I see what you're saying, duly noted.
>
> As for playing Heskey instead of Owen... are you having a laugh?
> There would have been a public outcry if Heskey had played in front
> of Owen (who would have been dropped for apprently no reason at all).
Rubbish. Other international managers make decision based on 'horses for courses' all the time. They are usually justified by the result.
> If the likes of Beckham deserve to play then how can you justify
> dropping Owen for someone with Heskey's "talent"?
Heskey does have talent, not in the sense you mean, but his talent is being big strong and thriving on crosses and set pieces. How many crosses/set-pieces did Owen get on the end of???
> Surely
> the presence of Rooney up front gave enough aerial prowess and
> strength there anyway.
What presence? Rooney's role is linking midfield and attack. Therefore he was never in the positions to use his supposed physical presence.
Playing him up fron with Heskey would have
> been like playing two of the same player right next to each other -
> very rarely works.
>
Hesky and Rooney are nothing alike. Anyone can see that.
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