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I've been assigned a project by a rich, but nice, old lady.
Basically, it's a simple information site on holiday houses in a certain area. From my notes, I've come up with:
The website should have a front page that gives you all the basic information to know what the point of the website is - to show off and allow you to make booking enquirys about holiday houses offered in the area. Should make it obvious which area these houses are for. NOT a splash page.
It should include a page dedicated to what the holiday homes look like, how they are laid out, how many rooms they have. I will need to take my own photos.
It should also include a page showing what the immediete area is like - close to the beach, quiet location, shops and clubhouses nearby.
There should be a page showing interesting features of the entirety of the area - activitys and things to do, places to visit - also, the location in Britain placed by a simple map that gives the precise location without naming every single town in the area - should be able to be recognised as part of Britain.
There also needs to be a pricing and contact page - this will include a table of prices for different periods during the year, and a form for submitting inquirys about booking. These forms should allow instant auto-replies to show the user the email has been received. Also - other contact details, such as phone numbers and addresses, should be available, maybe as part of a 'header' that appears on each page.
I will need to supply my own photos, and create my own artwork. I will also need to design a logo for the holiday company.
Most importantly, it should be well laid out, look impressive enough without being over the top (the houses are two star), and be easy to navigate and use.
It's not a huge project, but it's big enough for someone like me who doesn't exactly do this sort of thing for a living, which brings me to my actual point of all this...
How much do I charge? I really have no idea whatsoever. I don't want to over-charge her, and equally I don't want to be underpaid. What sort of pricing would you suggest I charge for doing this?
Thanks for any replies.
Basically, it's a simple information site on holiday houses in a certain area. From my notes, I've come up with:
The website should have a front page that gives you all the basic information to know what the point of the website is - to show off and allow you to make booking enquirys about holiday houses offered in the area. Should make it obvious which area these houses are for. NOT a splash page.
It should include a page dedicated to what the holiday homes look like, how they are laid out, how many rooms they have. I will need to take my own photos.
It should also include a page showing what the immediete area is like - close to the beach, quiet location, shops and clubhouses nearby.
There should be a page showing interesting features of the entirety of the area - activitys and things to do, places to visit - also, the location in Britain placed by a simple map that gives the precise location without naming every single town in the area - should be able to be recognised as part of Britain.
There also needs to be a pricing and contact page - this will include a table of prices for different periods during the year, and a form for submitting inquirys about booking. These forms should allow instant auto-replies to show the user the email has been received. Also - other contact details, such as phone numbers and addresses, should be available, maybe as part of a 'header' that appears on each page.
I will need to supply my own photos, and create my own artwork. I will also need to design a logo for the holiday company.
Most importantly, it should be well laid out, look impressive enough without being over the top (the houses are two star), and be easy to navigate and use.
It's not a huge project, but it's big enough for someone like me who doesn't exactly do this sort of thing for a living, which brings me to my actual point of all this...
How much do I charge? I really have no idea whatsoever. I don't want to over-charge her, and equally I don't want to be underpaid. What sort of pricing would you suggest I charge for doing this?
Thanks for any replies.
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Tyla wrote:
> Forgot to leave my email.
>
> Probably better getting me on MSN first ([email protected])
>
> FWIW, if I don;t know who you are when adding me, I'll automatically
> deny the request as I get annoyed with idiots who have nothing more
> interesting to do in life than spam my MSN!
That's probably why I've never seen you online then!
> Forgot to leave my email.
>
> Probably better getting me on MSN first ([email protected])
>
> FWIW, if I don;t know who you are when adding me, I'll automatically
> deny the request as I get annoyed with idiots who have nothing more
> interesting to do in life than spam my MSN!
That's probably why I've never seen you online then!
Forgot to leave my email.
Probably better getting me on MSN first ([email protected])
FWIW, if I don;t know who you are when adding me, I'll automatically deny the request as I get annoyed with idiots who have nothing more interesting to do in life than spam my MSN!
Probably better getting me on MSN first ([email protected])
FWIW, if I don;t know who you are when adding me, I'll automatically deny the request as I get annoyed with idiots who have nothing more interesting to do in life than spam my MSN!
Lo Darren, long time no speaky
For starters:
Recent project I've done/in progress:
http://www.blagrovefleet.co.uk
Setup cost + Design + Build = £1650
Currently updating for them @
14 new pages + script changes = £600
Addition of CMS for news section & integration of Contribute3 = £750
Total of project to date: £3000.00 + £250pa support + £30pa hosting
Another project I'm currently working on, though just coding, design supplied by someone else:
http://dev.digital-prozac.co.uk/wiphall
Cost: £350.00
Straight HTML/CSS. they supplied all the artwork/design/scamps so it's just monkey work.
How do you charge? Often asked question with 2 trains of thought:
Hourly...
Minimum your looking at £25ph, thats basic html/css/design. My own hourly rate starts at £35 going up to £75 for CMS/Accessibility/Standards etc
Daily rate is £250 @ 8 hours
By Project...
Work out how much you think it would take you hourly, multiply this by £35ph or £250day = Project cost. Add 10% for creep and there you have it.
Things to remember:
1. Get everything in writing at every stage with signatures from client ie..
Proposal - sign off
Costs - sign off
Spec/design - sign off
Bug fixing - sign off
Completion/handover - sign off
This prevents a client turning around saying "you said you add this", "you promised this" etc etc. Also nails them to the agreed costs.
2. Term and Conditions.
- What post project support will you provide if any
- Who do they contact if it goes wrong
- Who do they pay/How/ terms of payment
- Number Revisions/Bug fixing/Changes
- Who's doing the testing
- Responsibilities (who's supplying what, what's your role etc)
The last one is important as you'll get stuck in the circle of fix/change/fix/change and you soon start loosing out on profit.
3. Deposits
I personally ask for 20% up front to take on the project, 40% on inital delivery (post testing) and the final 40% on handover/sign off. If you trust them, then you can bill them at the end, but remeber, if you have hosting costs to include, then you should ask for them up front.
Before even opening notepad/photoshop etc, make sure you have a detailed brief outlining the project scope and size. Once this is agreed and signed off, you then should supply a technical spec & costs setailing everything from who's supplying content, images, server/coding requirements.
Some questions
Are images royalty free, who's clearing copyright, do they need paying for via an image library?
Are they collecting users data? If so, who's taking responsibility for Data Protection, Privacy?
Do you need to conform to any standards such as usability, accessibility etc?
Search engine optimisation, organic or paid for?
The list goes on
It's a total headache to begin with, but becomes natural after a while.
If you want naymore info or example documents, drop me an email.
Good luck... it's fun
In all honesty, if your to supply all photos, artwork. code, back end yourself (one man band type) your looking at £2500.00 minimum. Don't forget, any photography your supplying, you hold the copyright for and you need to charge that back to the client to release that to them for their use.
Then there's the design. I usually charge a minimum of £250 for the supply of 3 conceptuals the a further £250 to finalise one into a template/code/signed off, so that £500 just to get an agreed design.
If you want to get a better idea for this kind of stuff, head over to
http://www.designateonline.com/forum
and ask about in there. This forum is filled with designers/coders from all over the UK, some working/owining some of the biggest names in UK design. Always good to have others doing the same thing to ask silly questions too.
You'll get some better replys than the £200 suggestions you'd get here.
As for the rest of you... some of you are either really selling yourself short, ornot inthis for the money. Full project management of even a simpel site liek this is expensive. Go ahead, charge £200, but at the end of the day, your the people being ripped off, not the client.
For starters:
Recent project I've done/in progress:
http://www.blagrovefleet.co.uk
Setup cost + Design + Build = £1650
Currently updating for them @
14 new pages + script changes = £600
Addition of CMS for news section & integration of Contribute3 = £750
Total of project to date: £3000.00 + £250pa support + £30pa hosting
Another project I'm currently working on, though just coding, design supplied by someone else:
http://dev.digital-prozac.co.uk/wiphall
Cost: £350.00
Straight HTML/CSS. they supplied all the artwork/design/scamps so it's just monkey work.
How do you charge? Often asked question with 2 trains of thought:
Hourly...
Minimum your looking at £25ph, thats basic html/css/design. My own hourly rate starts at £35 going up to £75 for CMS/Accessibility/Standards etc
Daily rate is £250 @ 8 hours
By Project...
Work out how much you think it would take you hourly, multiply this by £35ph or £250day = Project cost. Add 10% for creep and there you have it.
Things to remember:
1. Get everything in writing at every stage with signatures from client ie..
Proposal - sign off
Costs - sign off
Spec/design - sign off
Bug fixing - sign off
Completion/handover - sign off
This prevents a client turning around saying "you said you add this", "you promised this" etc etc. Also nails them to the agreed costs.
2. Term and Conditions.
- What post project support will you provide if any
- Who do they contact if it goes wrong
- Who do they pay/How/ terms of payment
- Number Revisions/Bug fixing/Changes
- Who's doing the testing
- Responsibilities (who's supplying what, what's your role etc)
The last one is important as you'll get stuck in the circle of fix/change/fix/change and you soon start loosing out on profit.
3. Deposits
I personally ask for 20% up front to take on the project, 40% on inital delivery (post testing) and the final 40% on handover/sign off. If you trust them, then you can bill them at the end, but remeber, if you have hosting costs to include, then you should ask for them up front.
Before even opening notepad/photoshop etc, make sure you have a detailed brief outlining the project scope and size. Once this is agreed and signed off, you then should supply a technical spec & costs setailing everything from who's supplying content, images, server/coding requirements.
Some questions
Are images royalty free, who's clearing copyright, do they need paying for via an image library?
Are they collecting users data? If so, who's taking responsibility for Data Protection, Privacy?
Do you need to conform to any standards such as usability, accessibility etc?
Search engine optimisation, organic or paid for?
The list goes on
It's a total headache to begin with, but becomes natural after a while.
If you want naymore info or example documents, drop me an email.
Good luck... it's fun
In all honesty, if your to supply all photos, artwork. code, back end yourself (one man band type) your looking at £2500.00 minimum. Don't forget, any photography your supplying, you hold the copyright for and you need to charge that back to the client to release that to them for their use.
Then there's the design. I usually charge a minimum of £250 for the supply of 3 conceptuals the a further £250 to finalise one into a template/code/signed off, so that £500 just to get an agreed design.
If you want to get a better idea for this kind of stuff, head over to
http://www.designateonline.com/forum
and ask about in there. This forum is filled with designers/coders from all over the UK, some working/owining some of the biggest names in UK design. Always good to have others doing the same thing to ask silly questions too.
You'll get some better replys than the £200 suggestions you'd get here.
As for the rest of you... some of you are either really selling yourself short, ornot inthis for the money. Full project management of even a simpel site liek this is expensive. Go ahead, charge £200, but at the end of the day, your the people being ripped off, not the client.
For something like that probably about £100-200, and maybe a bit more for brand design. Then charge a bit more for finding a host and buying the domain.
CMS = Content Management System - PHP, SQL, basically HTML forms and a database to update content on the site.
CMS = Content Management System - PHP, SQL, basically HTML forms and a database to update content on the site.
Unless you're working for Lemons, it will be about £10.50.
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I know that makes no sense, but I don't care.
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I know that makes no sense, but I don't care.
Coin wrote:
> For logo and the web design?
>
> Around £1,500 for a full site, with CMS.
Erm, that seems a bit too much... and what's CMS?
> For logo and the web design?
>
> Around £1,500 for a full site, with CMS.
Erm, that seems a bit too much... and what's CMS?
For logo and the web design?
Around £1,500 for a full site, with CMS.
Around £1,500 for a full site, with CMS.
How long will it take you?
How much do you want to earn per hour?
Of course, if it's likely to lead to more work you could take a cut, as the increase in future work would pay off in the long run. Keeping clients on side is always a good idea!
How much do you want to earn per hour?
Of course, if it's likely to lead to more work you could take a cut, as the increase in future work would pay off in the long run. Keeping clients on side is always a good idea!
Tyla will come up with the answer, hes the ultimate freelancer.
Nimco is another dude as well that might help with this one.
I'm searching for freelance work as well and was wondering what to charge so i'll be keeping an eye on this thread.
Nimco is another dude as well that might help with this one.
I'm searching for freelance work as well and was wondering what to charge so i'll be keeping an eye on this thread.
Grix Thraves wrote:
> I've been assigned a project by a rich, but nice, old lady.
>
> How much do I charge? I really have no idea whatsoever. I don't want
> to over-charge her, and equally I don't want to be underpaid. What
> sort of pricing would you suggest I charge for doing this?
Thousands. Milk her (not literally) for all she's worth.
> I've been assigned a project by a rich, but nice, old lady.
>
> How much do I charge? I really have no idea whatsoever. I don't want
> to over-charge her, and equally I don't want to be underpaid. What
> sort of pricing would you suggest I charge for doing this?
Thousands. Milk her (not literally) for all she's worth.
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