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I was reading in New Statesman Magazine... The recon that nearly 1/3 of the White British Population in the next General Election will vote either BNP or UKIP, as they believe that New Labour have given very little to the British People... instead more money goes to imigrants. Even today those 4 terrorists are being allowed back into the UK.. SCREW THAT... should have left them at Cuba. I'm not a facist, but I can see their point about controlling imigration, you have not got the slightest clue who the hell the people are coming in; they might bomb a school (like what happened in Russia), or commit acts of evil things against the British citizens.
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Light wrote:
> kevstar wrote:
>
> When did I say that immigrants don't make a benefit to our society?
> cos I didn't, I said there some immigrants who don't.
>
> The point being that you're spending all of your time saying that
> immigrants are going to stretch services, but you're ignoring the
> simple fact that they have a tiny impact on services compared to the
> many other factors such as lack of investment.
How do you know it's a tiny amount ehh, this is my point, you don't know what impact there making do you, like you say they are no accurate figures. And as I keep saying, if theres no figures to say one way or another, then is it not better safe than sorry. The figures in the link are totally inacurate because it doesn't account for the illegal immigrants, so to go of a report that says don't worry everythings alright cos you know what, there making a net profit so theres nothing to worry about even know, we havn't any figures to show what impact it's doing on our services.
And you're
> concentrating on immigrants and saying they're the main problem cos
> you're a xenophobic bigot.
If i'm xenophobic then how do I welcome immigrants who contribute? That is not xenophobic.
>
> Your also
> trying to twist things arn't you, what I mean by people not
> contributing is people who come over here with no skills what so
> ever, and go straight onto our benefits without working for years on
> end. You don't get people like this, well I disagree.
>
> And yet, you have no evidence to base your disagreement on. The
> report you keep desperately misquoting states, in clear terms, that
> the idea of immigrants coming here en masse to go on benefits is a
> MYTH. The only reason you keep repeating it is cos you're a
> prejudiced bigot.
Is it, how can they say that when they don't even know what the figures are? You see, again another one of your points which makes no sense. And yeahh, I call you a bigot for thinking there is no problem.
>
>
>
> You make it sound as if I agree that it's alright for chavs and
> whoever else to sponge off the benefits, well I don't as I explained
> to light.
>
> No; you made it sound as if it's alright for others to sponge
> by making excuses for them ("Oh, they grow out of it...").
As I explained how the cause is mainly when there young, most of theese people grow out of it (which you agreed) before there 18 and on the dole or whatever. So the majority of chavs impact is more vandal than anything else. Thats why you can't compare theese 2 types of society's. Thats not making excuses, thats a fact of life. To deal with chavs you need to catch them when there young, make them aware of the damage they cause, drive them off the streets and give theese people something to do while there off school. The chavs who do make it on the dole should be given a reality check, give them a certain time to find work or change there benefit to vouchers in order to stop them buying drink and drugs.
> Then, when I asked you to apply the same criteria to chavs as you do
> to immigrants, you said that it "wasn't the same". Or you
> ignored it. And that's because you're a racist bigot.
No i've given my solution above.
>
> It's just as bad as the illegal immigrants and the sponge
> migrants, but this topic as I said before is about immigrants, if
> you
> wan't me to speak about white chavs them make a thread for it
> instead
> of trying to make out i'm ignoring them when comparing them.
>
> So...chavs are only white now?
>
> What's a sponge migrant? A migrant made of sponges, you illiterate
> 'tard? I never usually pick up on grammar and spelling in someone's
> post, but to be honest I reckon 90% of immigrants have a better grasp
> of English than you.
They proberly do as regards to spelling, but don't let that underestimate my wisdom.
>
> Anyway, the fact that you're constantly trying to imply that
> immigrants are the biggest problem we have, yet you also say we
> shouldn't debate it, we should just accept your view with it's lack
> of evidence, is a very clear indicator that you're an intolerant
> bigot.
Who says you should accept it, all i'm doing is giving my reasons why I think that certain immigrants are abusing our system, and why I think there's more coming in than what we think. i've never said that this is whats definatly happening which is why I agreed I would be wrong if they didn't make net profit.
>
>
>
> Look through the thread kevstar. Look how many people are saying
> "Jesus, what a bigot". Look at how many points raised by
> gerrid, myself, and others you've avoided, and then tried to pretend
> they were never said.
Yeah well thats there point of view, just because I don't accept that immigration is controlled because the figures are not only inaccurate, but they havn't a clue how many illegal immigrants are coming in, which in turn means they havn't a clue what impact it will make on the services. And you wonder why I worry about the number of people sponging of our benefit, you wonder why I worry about our services bieng stretched when they say it's alright even though they don't know how many's entering. I say this again you'll be stupid not to worry.
Look how many times you've tried to misquote,
> partially quote, and lie about the report you claim backed you up,
> yet utterly disagreed with the brainbilge you spew.
>
> Once you've looked at all that, maybe you'll realise that you're
> quite simply a bigot.
I call you this light, your a ignorant bigheaded idiot who thinks he's always right (and you call me a bigot)and never wrong. look at how many times i've said immigration is good, yet you among others still think i'm set against it, when all i'm against is the abusers of the system, not the hard working immigrants who contribute. And how do you get this view, well because I didn't mention how to deal with the other spongers on benefits when the topic has nothing to do with them, pathetic.
> kevstar wrote:
>
> When did I say that immigrants don't make a benefit to our society?
> cos I didn't, I said there some immigrants who don't.
>
> The point being that you're spending all of your time saying that
> immigrants are going to stretch services, but you're ignoring the
> simple fact that they have a tiny impact on services compared to the
> many other factors such as lack of investment.
How do you know it's a tiny amount ehh, this is my point, you don't know what impact there making do you, like you say they are no accurate figures. And as I keep saying, if theres no figures to say one way or another, then is it not better safe than sorry. The figures in the link are totally inacurate because it doesn't account for the illegal immigrants, so to go of a report that says don't worry everythings alright cos you know what, there making a net profit so theres nothing to worry about even know, we havn't any figures to show what impact it's doing on our services.
And you're
> concentrating on immigrants and saying they're the main problem cos
> you're a xenophobic bigot.
If i'm xenophobic then how do I welcome immigrants who contribute? That is not xenophobic.
>
> Your also
> trying to twist things arn't you, what I mean by people not
> contributing is people who come over here with no skills what so
> ever, and go straight onto our benefits without working for years on
> end. You don't get people like this, well I disagree.
>
> And yet, you have no evidence to base your disagreement on. The
> report you keep desperately misquoting states, in clear terms, that
> the idea of immigrants coming here en masse to go on benefits is a
> MYTH. The only reason you keep repeating it is cos you're a
> prejudiced bigot.
Is it, how can they say that when they don't even know what the figures are? You see, again another one of your points which makes no sense. And yeahh, I call you a bigot for thinking there is no problem.
>
>
>
> You make it sound as if I agree that it's alright for chavs and
> whoever else to sponge off the benefits, well I don't as I explained
> to light.
>
> No; you made it sound as if it's alright for others to sponge
> by making excuses for them ("Oh, they grow out of it...").
As I explained how the cause is mainly when there young, most of theese people grow out of it (which you agreed) before there 18 and on the dole or whatever. So the majority of chavs impact is more vandal than anything else. Thats why you can't compare theese 2 types of society's. Thats not making excuses, thats a fact of life. To deal with chavs you need to catch them when there young, make them aware of the damage they cause, drive them off the streets and give theese people something to do while there off school. The chavs who do make it on the dole should be given a reality check, give them a certain time to find work or change there benefit to vouchers in order to stop them buying drink and drugs.
> Then, when I asked you to apply the same criteria to chavs as you do
> to immigrants, you said that it "wasn't the same". Or you
> ignored it. And that's because you're a racist bigot.
No i've given my solution above.
>
> It's just as bad as the illegal immigrants and the sponge
> migrants, but this topic as I said before is about immigrants, if
> you
> wan't me to speak about white chavs them make a thread for it
> instead
> of trying to make out i'm ignoring them when comparing them.
>
> So...chavs are only white now?
>
> What's a sponge migrant? A migrant made of sponges, you illiterate
> 'tard? I never usually pick up on grammar and spelling in someone's
> post, but to be honest I reckon 90% of immigrants have a better grasp
> of English than you.
They proberly do as regards to spelling, but don't let that underestimate my wisdom.
>
> Anyway, the fact that you're constantly trying to imply that
> immigrants are the biggest problem we have, yet you also say we
> shouldn't debate it, we should just accept your view with it's lack
> of evidence, is a very clear indicator that you're an intolerant
> bigot.
Who says you should accept it, all i'm doing is giving my reasons why I think that certain immigrants are abusing our system, and why I think there's more coming in than what we think. i've never said that this is whats definatly happening which is why I agreed I would be wrong if they didn't make net profit.
>
>
>
> Look through the thread kevstar. Look how many people are saying
> "Jesus, what a bigot". Look at how many points raised by
> gerrid, myself, and others you've avoided, and then tried to pretend
> they were never said.
Yeah well thats there point of view, just because I don't accept that immigration is controlled because the figures are not only inaccurate, but they havn't a clue how many illegal immigrants are coming in, which in turn means they havn't a clue what impact it will make on the services. And you wonder why I worry about the number of people sponging of our benefit, you wonder why I worry about our services bieng stretched when they say it's alright even though they don't know how many's entering. I say this again you'll be stupid not to worry.
Look how many times you've tried to misquote,
> partially quote, and lie about the report you claim backed you up,
> yet utterly disagreed with the brainbilge you spew.
>
> Once you've looked at all that, maybe you'll realise that you're
> quite simply a bigot.
I call you this light, your a ignorant bigheaded idiot who thinks he's always right (and you call me a bigot)and never wrong. look at how many times i've said immigration is good, yet you among others still think i'm set against it, when all i'm against is the abusers of the system, not the hard working immigrants who contribute. And how do you get this view, well because I didn't mention how to deal with the other spongers on benefits when the topic has nothing to do with them, pathetic.
Light wrote:
> coward, liar, retard, and bigot.
Almost Belldandy in fact.
> coward, liar, retard, and bigot.
Almost Belldandy in fact.
kevstar wrote:
> The reason i'm not responding to light is because I really
> can't be bothered to write another post which goes on and on. And
> gerrid you've said nothing that light hasn't said already.
Yup, and just as you ran away crying rather than answer the questions when I asked them, you're refusing to answer them when gerrid asks 'em.
So then, in summary;
Kevstar; coward, liar, retard, and bigot.
That's quite a cv....
> The reason i'm not responding to light is because I really
> can't be bothered to write another post which goes on and on. And
> gerrid you've said nothing that light hasn't said already.
Yup, and just as you ran away crying rather than answer the questions when I asked them, you're refusing to answer them when gerrid asks 'em.
So then, in summary;
Kevstar; coward, liar, retard, and bigot.
That's quite a cv....
kevstar wrote:
> When did I say that immigrants don't make a benefit to our society?
> cos I didn't, I said there some immigrants who don't.
The point being that you're spending all of your time saying that immigrants are going to stretch services, but you're ignoring the simple fact that they have a tiny impact on services compared to the many other factors such as lack of investment. And you're concentrating on immigrants and saying they're the main problem cos you're a xenophobic bigot.
> Your also
> trying to twist things arn't you, what I mean by people not
> contributing is people who come over here with no skills what so
> ever, and go straight onto our benefits without working for years on
> end. You don't get people like this, well I disagree.
And yet, you have no evidence to base your disagreement on. The report you keep desperately misquoting states, in clear terms, that the idea of immigrants coming here en masse to go on benefits is a MYTH. The only reason you keep repeating it is cos you're a prejudiced bigot.
>
> You make it sound as if I agree that it's alright for chavs and
> whoever else to sponge off the benefits, well I don't as I explained
> to light.
No; you made it sound as if it's alright for others to sponge by making excuses for them ("Oh, they grow out of it..."). Then, when I asked you to apply the same criteria to chavs as you do to immigrants, you said that it "wasn't the same". Or you ignored it. And that's because you're a racist bigot.
> It's just as bad as the illegal immigrants and the sponge
> migrants, but this topic as I said before is about immigrants, if you
> wan't me to speak about white chavs them make a thread for it instead
> of trying to make out i'm ignoring them when comparing them.
So...chavs are only white now?
What's a sponge migrant? A migrant made of sponges, you illiterate 'tard? I never usually pick up on grammar and spelling in someone's post, but to be honest I reckon 90% of immigrants have a better grasp of English than you.
Anyway, the fact that you're constantly trying to imply that immigrants are the biggest problem we have, yet you also say we shouldn't debate it, we should just accept your view with it's lack of evidence, is a very clear indicator that you're an intolerant bigot.
Look through the thread kevstar. Look how many people are saying "Jesus, what a bigot". Look at how many points raised by gerrid, myself, and others you've avoided, and then tried to pretend they were never said. Look how many times you've tried to misquote, partially quote, and lie about the report you claim backed you up, yet utterly disagreed with the brainbilge you spew.
Once you've looked at all that, maybe you'll realise that you're quite simply a bigot.
> When did I say that immigrants don't make a benefit to our society?
> cos I didn't, I said there some immigrants who don't.
The point being that you're spending all of your time saying that immigrants are going to stretch services, but you're ignoring the simple fact that they have a tiny impact on services compared to the many other factors such as lack of investment. And you're concentrating on immigrants and saying they're the main problem cos you're a xenophobic bigot.
> Your also
> trying to twist things arn't you, what I mean by people not
> contributing is people who come over here with no skills what so
> ever, and go straight onto our benefits without working for years on
> end. You don't get people like this, well I disagree.
And yet, you have no evidence to base your disagreement on. The report you keep desperately misquoting states, in clear terms, that the idea of immigrants coming here en masse to go on benefits is a MYTH. The only reason you keep repeating it is cos you're a prejudiced bigot.
>
> You make it sound as if I agree that it's alright for chavs and
> whoever else to sponge off the benefits, well I don't as I explained
> to light.
No; you made it sound as if it's alright for others to sponge by making excuses for them ("Oh, they grow out of it..."). Then, when I asked you to apply the same criteria to chavs as you do to immigrants, you said that it "wasn't the same". Or you ignored it. And that's because you're a racist bigot.
> It's just as bad as the illegal immigrants and the sponge
> migrants, but this topic as I said before is about immigrants, if you
> wan't me to speak about white chavs them make a thread for it instead
> of trying to make out i'm ignoring them when comparing them.
So...chavs are only white now?
What's a sponge migrant? A migrant made of sponges, you illiterate 'tard? I never usually pick up on grammar and spelling in someone's post, but to be honest I reckon 90% of immigrants have a better grasp of English than you.
Anyway, the fact that you're constantly trying to imply that immigrants are the biggest problem we have, yet you also say we shouldn't debate it, we should just accept your view with it's lack of evidence, is a very clear indicator that you're an intolerant bigot.
Look through the thread kevstar. Look how many people are saying "Jesus, what a bigot". Look at how many points raised by gerrid, myself, and others you've avoided, and then tried to pretend they were never said. Look how many times you've tried to misquote, partially quote, and lie about the report you claim backed you up, yet utterly disagreed with the brainbilge you spew.
Once you've looked at all that, maybe you'll realise that you're quite simply a bigot.
In fact just reading gerrids post again there, you are making things up which are rubbish.
When did I say that immigrants don't make a benefit to our society? cos I didn't, I said there some immigrants who don't. Your also trying to twist things arn't you, what I mean by people not contributing is people who come over here with no skills what so ever, and go straight onto our benefits without working for years on end. You don't get people like this, well I disagree.
And as i've said before, i've worked all my working life except last year and proberbly most of this year, but I have payed my way to warrent treatment, and will do so untill i'm unable to work again. You make it sound as if I agree that it's alright for chavs and whoever else to sponge off the benefits, well I don't as I explained to light. It's just as bad as the illegal immigrants and the sponge migrants, but this topic as I said before is about immigrants, if you wan't me to speak about white chavs them make a thread for it instead of trying to make out i'm ignoring them when comparing them.
When did I say that immigrants don't make a benefit to our society? cos I didn't, I said there some immigrants who don't. Your also trying to twist things arn't you, what I mean by people not contributing is people who come over here with no skills what so ever, and go straight onto our benefits without working for years on end. You don't get people like this, well I disagree.
And as i've said before, i've worked all my working life except last year and proberbly most of this year, but I have payed my way to warrent treatment, and will do so untill i'm unable to work again. You make it sound as if I agree that it's alright for chavs and whoever else to sponge off the benefits, well I don't as I explained to light. It's just as bad as the illegal immigrants and the sponge migrants, but this topic as I said before is about immigrants, if you wan't me to speak about white chavs them make a thread for it instead of trying to make out i'm ignoring them when comparing them.
kevstar wrote:
> The reason i'm not responding to light is because I really
> can't be bothered to write another post which goes on and on. And
> gerrid you've said nothing that light hasn't said already.
No, it's because you, in leetspeak, have been "pwned."
> The reason i'm not responding to light is because I really
> can't be bothered to write another post which goes on and on. And
> gerrid you've said nothing that light hasn't said already.
No, it's because you, in leetspeak, have been "pwned."
Illegal immigration to the United Kingdom comes in various forms: Some people sneak across our borders, smuggled in lorries or boats; such people will generally arrive without any form of documentation. Other people have legitimate travel documents that entitle them to enter the United for a holiday or a period of study, but then having entered they simply remain.
Another group arrive and claim some form of asylum for a problem that they don't really have. Some people arrive for marriages that were arranged solely for the purpose of gaining the right of abode in the UK. Every illegal immigrant will have their own explanation: some come looking for an easy and prosperous life, some are running away from problems that they don't want to face, some are engaged in crime, some are just rootless persons wandering aimlessly and hoping to find a place they feel at home. And then you come to the ones which do sponge of our benefits, to use and abuse our services which are in danger of collapse.
The people who come into this Country to work I don't have a problem with, I do understand we need people like this who are here to contribute to our society in the way they should. They should be treated with respect and dignity, and be welcomed in the way they expect.
However the first people mentioned are the problem, there the ones not contributing and need to be stopped. Theeese are the people who are depleting our services. I don't agree (no matter what anyone says) that theres just a few, I beleave the problem is broad enough to have a impact on our services which is why i'm concerned.
This has got nothing at all to do with racism, but instead you get people trying to say it's the goverments lack of spending which got us in this situation (light), which I agree may have had a impact (a rather big one at that), but not the only reason. I finds it impossible to agree that the people mentioned above are so small in numbers, that it won't effect our services, totally impossible. You see, it's missing figures regarding illegal immigrants and the potentual damage that follows is why I worry, which is why I dismiss the home office happy world claims were making all this profit of immigration. again this has nothing to do with me bieng racist.
Note to light do you think the reason that immigration net profit may have had somthing to do with this..
[URL]http://society.guardian.co.uk/asylumseekers/story/0,7991,1404702,00.html[/URL]
And before you start this is news to me to.
The reason i'm not responding to light is because I really can't be bothered to write another post which goes on and on. And gerrid you've said nothing that light hasn't said already.
Another group arrive and claim some form of asylum for a problem that they don't really have. Some people arrive for marriages that were arranged solely for the purpose of gaining the right of abode in the UK. Every illegal immigrant will have their own explanation: some come looking for an easy and prosperous life, some are running away from problems that they don't want to face, some are engaged in crime, some are just rootless persons wandering aimlessly and hoping to find a place they feel at home. And then you come to the ones which do sponge of our benefits, to use and abuse our services which are in danger of collapse.
The people who come into this Country to work I don't have a problem with, I do understand we need people like this who are here to contribute to our society in the way they should. They should be treated with respect and dignity, and be welcomed in the way they expect.
However the first people mentioned are the problem, there the ones not contributing and need to be stopped. Theeese are the people who are depleting our services. I don't agree (no matter what anyone says) that theres just a few, I beleave the problem is broad enough to have a impact on our services which is why i'm concerned.
This has got nothing at all to do with racism, but instead you get people trying to say it's the goverments lack of spending which got us in this situation (light), which I agree may have had a impact (a rather big one at that), but not the only reason. I finds it impossible to agree that the people mentioned above are so small in numbers, that it won't effect our services, totally impossible. You see, it's missing figures regarding illegal immigrants and the potentual damage that follows is why I worry, which is why I dismiss the home office happy world claims were making all this profit of immigration. again this has nothing to do with me bieng racist.
Note to light do you think the reason that immigration net profit may have had somthing to do with this..
[URL]http://society.guardian.co.uk/asylumseekers/story/0,7991,1404702,00.html[/URL]
And before you start this is news to me to.
The reason i'm not responding to light is because I really can't be bothered to write another post which goes on and on. And gerrid you've said nothing that light hasn't said already.
gerrid wrote:
> Oh and the computer game is called "Myst", not
> "Myth".
Was it? Bah...
> Oh and the computer game is called "Myst", not
> "Myth".
Was it? Bah...
I'm just waiting for him to answer my points, none of which he has sufficiently adressed.
In fact throughout this whole debate I don't think I've seen kevstar make ONE satisfactory reply to any point made against him. He always falls back on his old gem "more immigrants means more strain to services! so we shouldn't have immigrants".
This is such a simpleton view of a very complex situation, and just shows his inability to actually comprehend the whole issue.
So kevstar, if we take your logic, that we shouldn't allow in immigrants because they cause a strain on our services, and because they don't provide any benefit (2 points which you have failed to provide ANY evidence for), then we should prevent ANYONE creating a strain on our services. According to your way of thinking, we should kill off/deport anyone who isn't contributing to the economy and who is using a public service. So that's you dead then, and your parents or grandparents, and any friends you happen to have on the dole.
Now I know what you're going to say, "nur but stopping people coming in is actually feasible". Well, actually, no it isn't, because stopping people coming in will just mean less people working and so less money to support those not working. Like you. Introducing a quota (something which you vehemently backed earlier, but have now done a complete roundabout on), wouldn't stop people abusing the system, would it? Hell, if all the frauds and cheats applied first, then we'd only let in spongers, and as we'd reached our quota, we wouldn't be allowed to let in all the actual economic migrants, would we? Sounds like a feasbile idea to me!!!!111
Tell me, how would you feel if, because we weren't letting in any more immigrants, the government stopped paying your your disability allowance, because it wasn't getting any money from working immigrants. Then you have a problem and go to the hospital only to find that there aren't enough doctors or nurses to pay any attention to you, because all the old ones have retired and there are no new ones coming in? Would you still think preventing immigrants coming in was a good idea? My guess is that you'd still find a way to blame them for it ("all the immigrants are using my doctor and taking my benefits!" you'd cry.)
As for your stance on illegal immigrants - WELL DONE. "they stretch our services they're bad" etc etc. Stop trying to use this as part of your argument. Of course illegal immigrants are bad. We want to do everything we can to stop people illegaly entering out country and BREAKING OUR LAWS.
Oh and the computer game is called "Myst", not "Myth".
In fact throughout this whole debate I don't think I've seen kevstar make ONE satisfactory reply to any point made against him. He always falls back on his old gem "more immigrants means more strain to services! so we shouldn't have immigrants".
This is such a simpleton view of a very complex situation, and just shows his inability to actually comprehend the whole issue.
So kevstar, if we take your logic, that we shouldn't allow in immigrants because they cause a strain on our services, and because they don't provide any benefit (2 points which you have failed to provide ANY evidence for), then we should prevent ANYONE creating a strain on our services. According to your way of thinking, we should kill off/deport anyone who isn't contributing to the economy and who is using a public service. So that's you dead then, and your parents or grandparents, and any friends you happen to have on the dole.
Now I know what you're going to say, "nur but stopping people coming in is actually feasible". Well, actually, no it isn't, because stopping people coming in will just mean less people working and so less money to support those not working. Like you. Introducing a quota (something which you vehemently backed earlier, but have now done a complete roundabout on), wouldn't stop people abusing the system, would it? Hell, if all the frauds and cheats applied first, then we'd only let in spongers, and as we'd reached our quota, we wouldn't be allowed to let in all the actual economic migrants, would we? Sounds like a feasbile idea to me!!!!111
Tell me, how would you feel if, because we weren't letting in any more immigrants, the government stopped paying your your disability allowance, because it wasn't getting any money from working immigrants. Then you have a problem and go to the hospital only to find that there aren't enough doctors or nurses to pay any attention to you, because all the old ones have retired and there are no new ones coming in? Would you still think preventing immigrants coming in was a good idea? My guess is that you'd still find a way to blame them for it ("all the immigrants are using my doctor and taking my benefits!" you'd cry.)
As for your stance on illegal immigrants - WELL DONE. "they stretch our services they're bad" etc etc. Stop trying to use this as part of your argument. Of course illegal immigrants are bad. We want to do everything we can to stop people illegaly entering out country and BREAKING OUR LAWS.
Oh and the computer game is called "Myst", not "Myth".
Kilgore Trout wrote:
> Why don't you two exchange phone numbers, it would be much quicker
> than all that typing!
> ;)
Heh. You have no idea how much work time this is taking up...
> Why don't you two exchange phone numbers, it would be much quicker
> than all that typing!
> ;)
Heh. You have no idea how much work time this is taking up...
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