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"I hate pro evo 4."

Absolutely terrible game. Has no redeeming qualities what so ever. Rubbish graphics, laggy live play and terrible controls. A total disappointment I think. I'd even say the this years fifa cash in is better. Im just glad I rented rather than bought it. The 9.4 rating in OXM is an abomination. Were they playing the same game as me? Probably not I doubt. They just make up their reviews anyway dont they? Does anyone like this crud? If so why?

Yeah I think if there's plenty of moves and tactics then it should be a laugh, I just like it when you can get a lot more than you expected from a game. If the standard mode's great then I don't see why they can't go mad and try a few variations.

Then I suppose it wouldn't be a simulation, but I want more from my sports games than just a simulation. I want a simulation + a lot of original ideas and approaches packed into extra modes you can take or leave. :)

I don't know how to counter that arguement.

All I can say is that no game of Pro Evo is ever the same. Ever. And it is the greatest sports game that has ever been crafted by the human hand.

Still it doesn't hold much interest for me as like most sports games the space you play in is obviously limited.

I know it's a crazy idea but I'd like to see some differently shaped pitches, uneven surfaces and a whole host of other crazy variations.

Then it'd be worth full price. As it is I'm sure it's a great simulation but without the sort of fun innovation I look for to make online gaming a laugh.

I'd definately get more life out of online games that have more variations on a theme ie shooters with several levels and modes and racers with numerous tracks.

Now Deathrow online, that'd be worth every penny.

it 'was'?

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I thought it was a alright game!

PES4 online with people you like is absolute genius. Fact.

Aimar vs 'The Fence' and the Best of David James DVD have both spawned from PES4

Nicely unintelligibbbbbbbleh

Stop trying to be a rebel and conform - the live play pwns j00

Well if that's true I'll be giving it a miss. Offline Halo 2's multi's a lot more varied and interesting.

Anyone else reckon the live play's crap?

Hedfix wrote:
> I'll pick this up when it's £10 and that's only for the live
> play.

The live play is utter crap.