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One thing that really astonishes me is the number of people who sleep around in the world today. For those of us among us who believe in the Bibile, sex outside marriage is forbidden, yet so many people, religeous and otherwise, see it their duty to have multiple sexual partners. Its only a symbol of social standing in some places in AFRICA. How can we call ourselves the civilised world when we see fit to stick our john thomas in every place we can think of. Its level with the animals, and even some of them have the decency to confine themselves to one partner. (i.e. swans)
Im not trying to push chastity and say all sexual acticity is WRONG outside marriage, but I really think that sex and similar acts are something that you should share with only someone special. The only purpose of one night stands is to get some POONTANG with whatever skank can be found on the street. (I dont mean to degrade women, I just have to write this from the male perspective, the same applies to women)
Chastity generally means that you dont do ANYTHING sexual at all outside of marraige. Personally I dont see whats wrong with a little frolic in the garden of eden if its legal, legal by the bible, and doesnt put your future in jeprody through inadvertant pregnancy. What happens if the chick you boned on a one night stand get knocked up? Its your obligation to raise the b*****d child, and wed the whench. lol. I just enjoy using biassed language. I'll stop now.
Since (as I have been informed by a good friend of mine whos a history guru) the general practise of prolific intercourse has been going on for millenia, were not really doing anything different, however if we didnt do anything different we'd still be eating leaves, not even using tools. Evolution and invention meant progress, technological and personal. Sleeping around like this means that sex isnt sacred. It becomes meaningless when you finally meet someone you marry, and all you can do is compare them to your previous partners.
I know Im on a losing side. Most of you are probably against me, but Id just like you to consider the idea of, not chastity, but, however hard it may be, not sleeping around. If you meet someone special to you, by all means, even if its not the first. At least then its actually meaningful. But having shallow, meaningless sex is....well...m**********g. YOU'LL GO BLIND SON!!
Im not trying to push chastity and say all sexual acticity is WRONG outside marriage, but I really think that sex and similar acts are something that you should share with only someone special. The only purpose of one night stands is to get some POONTANG with whatever skank can be found on the street. (I dont mean to degrade women, I just have to write this from the male perspective, the same applies to women)
Chastity generally means that you dont do ANYTHING sexual at all outside of marraige. Personally I dont see whats wrong with a little frolic in the garden of eden if its legal, legal by the bible, and doesnt put your future in jeprody through inadvertant pregnancy. What happens if the chick you boned on a one night stand get knocked up? Its your obligation to raise the b*****d child, and wed the whench. lol. I just enjoy using biassed language. I'll stop now.
Since (as I have been informed by a good friend of mine whos a history guru) the general practise of prolific intercourse has been going on for millenia, were not really doing anything different, however if we didnt do anything different we'd still be eating leaves, not even using tools. Evolution and invention meant progress, technological and personal. Sleeping around like this means that sex isnt sacred. It becomes meaningless when you finally meet someone you marry, and all you can do is compare them to your previous partners.
I know Im on a losing side. Most of you are probably against me, but Id just like you to consider the idea of, not chastity, but, however hard it may be, not sleeping around. If you meet someone special to you, by all means, even if its not the first. At least then its actually meaningful. But having shallow, meaningless sex is....well...m**********g. YOU'LL GO BLIND SON!!
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Flock wrote:
> Yes people should be more responsible for their actions but i like
> that people can ignore morality, it is after all only what society
> thinks, if people are responsible i have very little problem with
> them sleeping around, not everyone can find love and not everyone
> wants it.
> As for religion teaching good lessons in morality, the lessons it
> teaches are outdated with regards to sex and thats why they're
> ignored.
> If i want sex now i could go out and find some young woman who is
> also looking for sex, now i'm a responsible guy, if it's a private
> thing between two responsible people what is the problem, as i see it
> it's only other peoples opinions which would condemn me and frankly
> it doesn't concern them.
> As for the ego thing, you took it slightly off what i meant, there
> are a lot of people out there who are lacking in any confidence or
> lonely or feeling very low, if sex helps them i see no reason why
> they should be denied that lift because of what other people will
> think of them.
> Not everyone can find lasting love, would you deny them a short term
> solution ?
hmmm..flock you make a good point.
I think that a lot of religeous teachings are outdated too, and really the churches (maybe not all) need a renovation in their views on a lot of matters. I dont think that morality is as much about what other people think, but more of what you think of yourself. Most religeons believe that one of the ways of getting into heaven is through good deeds, and generally being a good person. Similarily your karma is affected by your morality. Its true that society likes a good person, but whats important isnt what the society sees, but what they dont see. If you can do good deeds just for the sake of it, not so that someone will notice, or you'll be accepted, then thats what really matters.
You make a very difficult argument about ego boosts etc. My hats off to you. If you want sex now surely you could just visit Mrs Palm and her five lovely daughters. If you had a gf I assume youd just get some from her. lol. But when it comes down to it it IS noen of my business, and Im not trying to root out casual sex sleeping..people. Im just posting my views on the matter. I guess Id like people to take heed or whatever but its a free world (DAMM COMMUNISTS! YOU WERE DOING SO WELL! WHAT HAPPENED??)
> Not everyone can find lasting love, would you deny them a short term
> solution ?
You said that. Now if Im not mistaken we're talking aobut sex not love? ahem. lol oh well. I know what you mean though. Of course I wouldnt deny it to them. I just think there are other ways for a confidence boost, like..even just flirting, cybersex maybe, light petting, or bad german fetish porn. There is more to sex than just what other people think of you.
> Yes people should be more responsible for their actions but i like
> that people can ignore morality, it is after all only what society
> thinks, if people are responsible i have very little problem with
> them sleeping around, not everyone can find love and not everyone
> wants it.
> As for religion teaching good lessons in morality, the lessons it
> teaches are outdated with regards to sex and thats why they're
> ignored.
> If i want sex now i could go out and find some young woman who is
> also looking for sex, now i'm a responsible guy, if it's a private
> thing between two responsible people what is the problem, as i see it
> it's only other peoples opinions which would condemn me and frankly
> it doesn't concern them.
> As for the ego thing, you took it slightly off what i meant, there
> are a lot of people out there who are lacking in any confidence or
> lonely or feeling very low, if sex helps them i see no reason why
> they should be denied that lift because of what other people will
> think of them.
> Not everyone can find lasting love, would you deny them a short term
> solution ?
hmmm..flock you make a good point.
I think that a lot of religeous teachings are outdated too, and really the churches (maybe not all) need a renovation in their views on a lot of matters. I dont think that morality is as much about what other people think, but more of what you think of yourself. Most religeons believe that one of the ways of getting into heaven is through good deeds, and generally being a good person. Similarily your karma is affected by your morality. Its true that society likes a good person, but whats important isnt what the society sees, but what they dont see. If you can do good deeds just for the sake of it, not so that someone will notice, or you'll be accepted, then thats what really matters.
You make a very difficult argument about ego boosts etc. My hats off to you. If you want sex now surely you could just visit Mrs Palm and her five lovely daughters. If you had a gf I assume youd just get some from her. lol. But when it comes down to it it IS noen of my business, and Im not trying to root out casual sex sleeping..people. Im just posting my views on the matter. I guess Id like people to take heed or whatever but its a free world (DAMM COMMUNISTS! YOU WERE DOING SO WELL! WHAT HAPPENED??)
> Not everyone can find lasting love, would you deny them a short term
> solution ?
You said that. Now if Im not mistaken we're talking aobut sex not love? ahem. lol oh well. I know what you mean though. Of course I wouldnt deny it to them. I just think there are other ways for a confidence boost, like..even just flirting, cybersex maybe, light petting, or bad german fetish porn. There is more to sex than just what other people think of you.
Sex is a perfectly natural thing. Relationships, in the purely physical and companionship sense, are to an extent natural to our gregarious nature.
Marriage is a social creation, one that basically adheres to Christian stuff that has absoloutely no relevance to me at all. Sex is what we are here for - nobody can deny that. However, some people obviously are far more promiscuous than others. Who am I to say/worry/even care?!
Marriage is a social creation, one that basically adheres to Christian stuff that has absoloutely no relevance to me at all. Sex is what we are here for - nobody can deny that. However, some people obviously are far more promiscuous than others. Who am I to say/worry/even care?!
I think people read far too much into love and marriage and all that crap. All it is, is two people stuffing body parts into each other for personal enjoyment. Marriage is just a bit of paper that allows you to get better interest rates, cheaper holidays and joint cheque-books.
If you completely dis-regard religion, as I do, being that I believe it all to be fraudulent or manipulated accounts of ancient primitives - then that is all it is, an intimate act between two consenting adults, and a legal contract.
If you completely dis-regard religion, as I do, being that I believe it all to be fraudulent or manipulated accounts of ancient primitives - then that is all it is, an intimate act between two consenting adults, and a legal contract.
Fozz wrote:
> You wont get rewarded in this life or the next (should
> you believe in it) according to the number of sexual partners youve
> had.
You might - if you're a woman, then you could get pregnant to twenty different men, and claim childcare money fae them
> You wont get rewarded in this life or the next (should
> you believe in it) according to the number of sexual partners youve
> had.
You might - if you're a woman, then you could get pregnant to twenty different men, and claim childcare money fae them
Yes people should be more responsible for their actions but i like that people can ignore morality, it is after all only what society thinks, if people are responsible i have very little problem with them sleeping around, not everyone can find love and not everyone wants it.
As for religion teaching good lessons in morality, the lessons it teaches are outdated with regards to sex and thats why they're ignored.
If i want sex now i could go out and find some young woman who is also looking for sex, now i'm a responsible guy, if it's a private thing between two responsible people what is the problem, as i see it it's only other peoples opinions which would condemn me and frankly it doesn't concern them.
As for the ego thing, you took it slightly off what i meant, there are a lot of people out there who are lacking in any confidence or lonely or feeling very low, if sex helps them i see no reason why they should be denied that lift because of what other people will think of them.
Not everyone can find lasting love, would you deny them a short term solution ?
As for religion teaching good lessons in morality, the lessons it teaches are outdated with regards to sex and thats why they're ignored.
If i want sex now i could go out and find some young woman who is also looking for sex, now i'm a responsible guy, if it's a private thing between two responsible people what is the problem, as i see it it's only other peoples opinions which would condemn me and frankly it doesn't concern them.
As for the ego thing, you took it slightly off what i meant, there are a lot of people out there who are lacking in any confidence or lonely or feeling very low, if sex helps them i see no reason why they should be denied that lift because of what other people will think of them.
Not everyone can find lasting love, would you deny them a short term solution ?
Strafio wrote:
> The Bible is irrelevant.
>
> Even most Christians I know don't take it THAT seriously, and it
> certainly wasn't one of the things Jesus said. I think it's one of
> those things that Paul said on his behalf (along with condemning
> masturbation too - I don't think he'd thought things through
> properly...).
>
> As to pregnancy. There's only the slightest most minute chance it'll
> happen, so long as you're being careful. It can happen but most
> people get away with it. It's taking a risk, but there's risks with
> everything you do, and it's up to people if they want to take them.
Im not what you would call a strong christian but I have a firm belief in God, and I took offense at that statement. The Bible is not irrelevant, it has a huge number of very relevant lesson, be thay parables, or real life situations. I wouldnt believe every single word I read in the bible, as although its the word of God, it was compiled by men. There have been ancient hebrew texts uncovered in which God was feminine, so obviously not everything is perfectly accurate. Also sceintific theory suggests that humans evolved from apes, which means that the garden of eden cant have existed, although maybe it, and other parts of the bible are meant to be taken metaphorically, but it was just easier for the locals to understand it by refering to is as actually happening.
You obviously dont know many christians. Most Christians I know DO take it seriously. If you look through the Bible Im sure you wont find that much that JESUS said, for example the whole old testement. I havent read the bible much so I dont know where the mention of premarital sex occurs but Im sure it occurs in both the old and new testment, in various places. I'll check on it and get back to you. I dont agree with condemming masturbation. My opinion is that it was said because the belief at the time was that you only had a certain limited amount, and after that you became infertile. Although Science later proved otherwise the condemnation continued for other reasons I dont agree with.
Youre saying that with pregnancy theres only the slightest minurature chance it will happen. that doesnt mean it wont happen, and chance means that you can never be sure it wont happen. A condom for example works 99% of the time (or something like that) so say you have sex using one 100 times a year, once it will fail, and you risk getting a woman pregnant, and you dont know when, it could be during a fertile period. Just because something has a really small chance of happening, doesnt mean it wont. And getting away with it??? Is that literally GETTING AWAY with it. or do you mean not getting pregnant? So having premarital sex is still living by chance, if youre married at least you have no trouble dealing with it once it comes along.
Ok flock
yeah, it sucks that most people will ignore morality when faced with desire. I really think that people should be more aware for their actions and their effect on the world around them. I think religeon (almost any) teaches very good lesson about morality, that it seems most people ignore. Maybe a solution is through conventional teaching method, example, or by not pushing it on children who dont really understand the relevence.
I have a friend who thinks that all premarital sex is wrong, (well I dont think its wrong as such, I just think people should have more sense) and she thinks this because if you were to have sex with someone you thought was 'the one' and it turned out to be the wrong person, you'd be screwed. So its much safer to wait till marriage because there must be something there if youre willing to commit to marriage. Being a guy, I know thats difficult for men, and I cant see that catching on at all, and I dont have a problem with people doing that as long a theyre serious. But random sexual partners is just. .....ignorance. Its exactly whats causing a problem in Africa with Aids. Its thinking with your genitals rather than your brain. YOU DONT KNOW WHERE THEY'VE BEEN, a parent might even been with them the night before. thats...quite disgusting, and luckily rare. Sure, sex itself has it appeals but you get so much more fullfillment being completely devoted to one person. Having a huge ego isnt at all cool or attractive. You wont get rewarded in this life or the next (should you believe in it) according to the number of sexual partners youve had.
> The Bible is irrelevant.
>
> Even most Christians I know don't take it THAT seriously, and it
> certainly wasn't one of the things Jesus said. I think it's one of
> those things that Paul said on his behalf (along with condemning
> masturbation too - I don't think he'd thought things through
> properly...).
>
> As to pregnancy. There's only the slightest most minute chance it'll
> happen, so long as you're being careful. It can happen but most
> people get away with it. It's taking a risk, but there's risks with
> everything you do, and it's up to people if they want to take them.
Im not what you would call a strong christian but I have a firm belief in God, and I took offense at that statement. The Bible is not irrelevant, it has a huge number of very relevant lesson, be thay parables, or real life situations. I wouldnt believe every single word I read in the bible, as although its the word of God, it was compiled by men. There have been ancient hebrew texts uncovered in which God was feminine, so obviously not everything is perfectly accurate. Also sceintific theory suggests that humans evolved from apes, which means that the garden of eden cant have existed, although maybe it, and other parts of the bible are meant to be taken metaphorically, but it was just easier for the locals to understand it by refering to is as actually happening.
You obviously dont know many christians. Most Christians I know DO take it seriously. If you look through the Bible Im sure you wont find that much that JESUS said, for example the whole old testement. I havent read the bible much so I dont know where the mention of premarital sex occurs but Im sure it occurs in both the old and new testment, in various places. I'll check on it and get back to you. I dont agree with condemming masturbation. My opinion is that it was said because the belief at the time was that you only had a certain limited amount, and after that you became infertile. Although Science later proved otherwise the condemnation continued for other reasons I dont agree with.
Youre saying that with pregnancy theres only the slightest minurature chance it will happen. that doesnt mean it wont happen, and chance means that you can never be sure it wont happen. A condom for example works 99% of the time (or something like that) so say you have sex using one 100 times a year, once it will fail, and you risk getting a woman pregnant, and you dont know when, it could be during a fertile period. Just because something has a really small chance of happening, doesnt mean it wont. And getting away with it??? Is that literally GETTING AWAY with it. or do you mean not getting pregnant? So having premarital sex is still living by chance, if youre married at least you have no trouble dealing with it once it comes along.
Ok flock
yeah, it sucks that most people will ignore morality when faced with desire. I really think that people should be more aware for their actions and their effect on the world around them. I think religeon (almost any) teaches very good lesson about morality, that it seems most people ignore. Maybe a solution is through conventional teaching method, example, or by not pushing it on children who dont really understand the relevence.
I have a friend who thinks that all premarital sex is wrong, (well I dont think its wrong as such, I just think people should have more sense) and she thinks this because if you were to have sex with someone you thought was 'the one' and it turned out to be the wrong person, you'd be screwed. So its much safer to wait till marriage because there must be something there if youre willing to commit to marriage. Being a guy, I know thats difficult for men, and I cant see that catching on at all, and I dont have a problem with people doing that as long a theyre serious. But random sexual partners is just. .....ignorance. Its exactly whats causing a problem in Africa with Aids. Its thinking with your genitals rather than your brain. YOU DONT KNOW WHERE THEY'VE BEEN, a parent might even been with them the night before. thats...quite disgusting, and luckily rare. Sure, sex itself has it appeals but you get so much more fullfillment being completely devoted to one person. Having a huge ego isnt at all cool or attractive. You wont get rewarded in this life or the next (should you believe in it) according to the number of sexual partners youve had.
Purity and chastity? Over rated monogamy(sp?) a-ok:D
Religions and society say how we should behave in relation to sex.
You may want people to be more moral but when morality means ignoring desire, most people will ignore it, people aren't so shackled by morality anymore.
As for meeting and only sleeping with one person, it's a nice idea but in theory it's not practical and goes against human nature, the chances of meeting that one perfect person first are not good, you think you've found them, ok so you marry and sleep with them but things fall apart soon after, does that mean you should never sleep with anyone else, it's nice to be romantic but see the reality that it's never as easy as you would like it to be.
Where do you stand on comfort sex, sometimes it's nice to feel loved when you're down even though it isn't true ? It's not just sex but neither is it just animalistic, what do you think ?
You may want people to be more moral but when morality means ignoring desire, most people will ignore it, people aren't so shackled by morality anymore.
As for meeting and only sleeping with one person, it's a nice idea but in theory it's not practical and goes against human nature, the chances of meeting that one perfect person first are not good, you think you've found them, ok so you marry and sleep with them but things fall apart soon after, does that mean you should never sleep with anyone else, it's nice to be romantic but see the reality that it's never as easy as you would like it to be.
Where do you stand on comfort sex, sometimes it's nice to feel loved when you're down even though it isn't true ? It's not just sex but neither is it just animalistic, what do you think ?
The Bible is irrelevant.
Even most Christians I know don't take it THAT seriously, and it certainly wasn't one of the things Jesus said. I think it's one of those things that Paul said on his behalf (along with condemning masturbation too - I don't think he'd thought things through properly...).
As to pregnancy. There's only the slightest most minute chance it'll happen, so long as you're being careful. It can happen but most people get away with it. It's taking a risk, but there's risks with everything you do, and it's up to people if they want to take them.
Even most Christians I know don't take it THAT seriously, and it certainly wasn't one of the things Jesus said. I think it's one of those things that Paul said on his behalf (along with condemning masturbation too - I don't think he'd thought things through properly...).
As to pregnancy. There's only the slightest most minute chance it'll happen, so long as you're being careful. It can happen but most people get away with it. It's taking a risk, but there's risks with everything you do, and it's up to people if they want to take them.
Well firstly Astooorrriiiaaa (IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME....) its specifically banned in the bible, so if that holds any religeous meaning to you then you know its wrong. There are some contradictions in the bible, and people take different meaning from different sections, however this is one of the things which is clearly stated. Premarital sex is wrong. Also what happens if youre dating someone you have strong feelings for and you get them pregnant, then do you leave them and let them fend for themselves? do you fund an abortion, (which is murder to some people) or do you "do the honourable thing" and marry them, even though you dont love them and just hope everything turns out ok. And when your child ask how they were concieved you can just so "the condom was broken, you were an accident"
People have sex to have children. Thats how animals and humans alike have been doing it for millenia. As such its also a very parental thing, and if youre not ready to be a parent, you shouldnt have sex, cos thats what happens when you have sex. thats what its there for. I dont have a problem with having sex for fun, if its with someone you love, and youre ready to make a commitment to be a parent, but when you accept no responsibility towards your own actions and have sex with people, just ignoring the fact that every time you do it your body is trying to impregnate someone, and eventually its going to succeed.
People have sex to have children. Thats how animals and humans alike have been doing it for millenia. As such its also a very parental thing, and if youre not ready to be a parent, you shouldnt have sex, cos thats what happens when you have sex. thats what its there for. I dont have a problem with having sex for fun, if its with someone you love, and youre ready to make a commitment to be a parent, but when you accept no responsibility towards your own actions and have sex with people, just ignoring the fact that every time you do it your body is trying to impregnate someone, and eventually its going to succeed.
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