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Pro-Hunt campaigners. For a start, it's a barbaric sport, causing unneccessary suffering to cut ickle foxes. And now it turns out the people that support can only express their opinions through violence. The reporter trying to interview people with blood running down their faces has to compete with mongoloids running up to the camera shouting "It suuuuucks!!!" in their finest mongol tones. Complete dickwads, in my opinion - just waiting for the Police to set the alsations on them, see how they like it.
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Blank wrote:
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> Hang on, weren't you pro-hunting a moment ago?
Yes. But I'm just saying us, as humans, will always have our natural instinct of "let's kill anything off that is increasing in mass!". So basically there is no way of stopping us (which is a great shame - why we can't let nature take its course I can't undertsand). So we have no choice, these foxes will die. But fox hunting is going to reduce the pain in the fox's death. Rather than starving them to death, which will continue their pain for ages.
>
> Hang on, weren't you pro-hunting a moment ago?
Yes. But I'm just saying us, as humans, will always have our natural instinct of "let's kill anything off that is increasing in mass!". So basically there is no way of stopping us (which is a great shame - why we can't let nature take its course I can't undertsand). So we have no choice, these foxes will die. But fox hunting is going to reduce the pain in the fox's death. Rather than starving them to death, which will continue their pain for ages.
> monkey_man wrote:
> lcarus wrote:
> By control you mean kill, right?
>
> Doesn't have to be. Can sterilise a percentage of the population,
> or
> even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc, that'll probably have it
> under control by the time the bill actually comes into effect in
> 2006.
>
Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of that. Something like birth control can also just be effective, if difficult to carry out.
Silent Thunder wrote:
> What right do we have to do that exactly? May sound stupid or weird
> to you, but I know I'm no better than any animal/creature in this
> world because I'm one of them. Just let nature take its course,
> natural selection will get them. It got other animals in the earth's
> past.
If you think about, this is natural selection in a way. Humans are clever enough to think, and right now are thinking about whether to kill all foxes. Nothing unnatural about that.
*sigh* We're all still chimpanzees at heart.
> lcarus wrote:
> By control you mean kill, right?
>
> Doesn't have to be. Can sterilise a percentage of the population,
> or
> even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc, that'll probably have it
> under control by the time the bill actually comes into effect in
> 2006.
>
Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of that. Something like birth control can also just be effective, if difficult to carry out.
Silent Thunder wrote:
> What right do we have to do that exactly? May sound stupid or weird
> to you, but I know I'm no better than any animal/creature in this
> world because I'm one of them. Just let nature take its course,
> natural selection will get them. It got other animals in the earth's
> past.
If you think about, this is natural selection in a way. Humans are clever enough to think, and right now are thinking about whether to kill all foxes. Nothing unnatural about that.
*sigh* We're all still chimpanzees at heart.
The hunt supports said it was part of their history and culture, just like bull fighting.
We're all against bull fighting right? "Ticking" off the bull by giving it a few stabs with a sword, then make it run around and stab it some more while the public cheer.
We're all against bull fighting right? "Ticking" off the bull by giving it a few stabs with a sword, then make it run around and stab it some more while the public cheer.
Blank wrote:
> monkey_man wrote:
> Can even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc,
>
> Isn't that basically still killing them?
Well, no. Not at all. You wouldn't say I killed someone if I had a vasectomy. If he's only talking about a percentage of foxes sterilised, to keep the population under control, then go for it.
Better that than give some posh nob another reason to get on horseback and wield a shotgun around. I haven't even started on the safety issues of that yet.
"You killed a child."
"We thought it was a fox."
"No, foxes are small, hairy and orange. Like Danny DeVito."
"THEY'RE VERMIN!!!1 WE'RE DOING U A FAVOR BI KEEPING THEM UNDER CONTROL!!1 BANG BANG! ITS MI RITE AS A BRITISH SITIZAN TO WIELD THIS DANGERUS WEPUN!"
> monkey_man wrote:
> Can even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc,
>
> Isn't that basically still killing them?
Well, no. Not at all. You wouldn't say I killed someone if I had a vasectomy. If he's only talking about a percentage of foxes sterilised, to keep the population under control, then go for it.
Better that than give some posh nob another reason to get on horseback and wield a shotgun around. I haven't even started on the safety issues of that yet.
"You killed a child."
"We thought it was a fox."
"No, foxes are small, hairy and orange. Like Danny DeVito."
"THEY'RE VERMIN!!!1 WE'RE DOING U A FAVOR BI KEEPING THEM UNDER CONTROL!!1 BANG BANG! ITS MI RITE AS A BRITISH SITIZAN TO WIELD THIS DANGERUS WEPUN!"
Silent Thunder wrote:
> What right do we have to do that exactly? May sound stupid or weird
> to you, but I know I'm no better than any animal/creature in this
> world because I'm one of them. Just let nature take its course,
> natural selection will get them. It got other animals in the earth's
> past.
Hang on, weren't you pro-hunting a moment ago?
> What right do we have to do that exactly? May sound stupid or weird
> to you, but I know I'm no better than any animal/creature in this
> world because I'm one of them. Just let nature take its course,
> natural selection will get them. It got other animals in the earth's
> past.
Hang on, weren't you pro-hunting a moment ago?
monkey_man wrote:
> lcarus wrote:
> By control you mean kill, right?
>
> Doesn't have to be. Can sterilise a percentage of the population, or
> even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc, that'll probably have it
> under control by the time the bill actually comes into effect in
> 2006.
What right do we have to do that exactly? May sound stupid or weird to you, but I know I'm no better than any animal/creature in this world because I'm one of them. Just let nature take its course, natural selection will get them. It got other animals in the earth's past.
And Snuggly, danke for your time. Nice to hear someone with a half decent arguement, even if I do disagree with it. :-)
> lcarus wrote:
> By control you mean kill, right?
>
> Doesn't have to be. Can sterilise a percentage of the population, or
> even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc, that'll probably have it
> under control by the time the bill actually comes into effect in
> 2006.
What right do we have to do that exactly? May sound stupid or weird to you, but I know I'm no better than any animal/creature in this world because I'm one of them. Just let nature take its course, natural selection will get them. It got other animals in the earth's past.
And Snuggly, danke for your time. Nice to hear someone with a half decent arguement, even if I do disagree with it. :-)
Shhh, the foxes will hear.
Bottom line: Fox-hunting is an archaic pasttime, entirely irrelevant in this age, and the only reason it's been allowed to continue is a few half-hearted 'it's for their own good' reasonings (and, presumably, the fact that most fox hunters are extremely rich and in high society, which always helps when you're trying to stop something from getting outlawed).
monkey_man wrote:
> Can even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc,
Isn't that basically still killing them?
> Can even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc,
Isn't that basically still killing them?
lcarus wrote:
> By control you mean kill, right?
Doesn't have to be. Can sterilise a percentage of the population, or even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc, that'll probably have it under control by the time the bill actually comes into effect in 2006.
> By control you mean kill, right?
Doesn't have to be. Can sterilise a percentage of the population, or even control vegetation, foxes diet, etc, that'll probably have it under control by the time the bill actually comes into effect in 2006.
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