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Mon 13/09/04 at 20:17
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OK, I've been working on a web site. I'll give you a bit of background first to give you an idea of what the site is for.

Basically, I was getting p!ssed off with so many computer users not know basic things to do on their PC (like defrag) and so deciding to upgrade their PCs cos they get slow. Then they moan about having to continually upgrade their PC. Or people who get viruses cos they open attachments and have no idea what a firewall, or antivirus program is.

So I decided to start a website full of articles, tips and tricks, links and downloads for things to help people use their computers more effectively. The site will be available for people to use for a membership of £10 a year (probably).

The site is still very much in developmental stages at present. So please ignore all the content - all the articles/etc will be new on the final site (loads of piccys, step-by-step guides, etc). I know the site doesn't look really fancy, but I'm no creative genius. My main intention is to make the site really easy to use for someone who's not very good with computers.

I would welcome your opinions on the site. If you find any bugs as well, please let me know. If pages don't work, it's cos I haven't made them yet.

The website address is: http://www.xymail.co.uk/xyhelp.com/ [URL]http://www.xymail.co.uk/xyhelp.com/[/URL]

You can log on with: Username - test; Passowrd - test

The site is running off my PC atm, so if it doesn't work, it probably means my PC is off or something.

Cheers in advance.
Tue 14/09/04 at 15:56
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"l33t cs50r"
Posts: 2,956
monkey_man wrote:
> I'm sorry mate, but sometimes when I read stuff you've written I see
> Office Crabtree from 'ello ello'...

Lolage, funniest thing I've heard all day!;)
Tue 14/09/04 at 15:46
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I'm sorry mate, but sometimes when I read stuff you've written I see Office Crabtree from 'ello ello'...no offence, it's just the odd finger-slip here and there...

And yeah it needs attention paid to it, but I've got to brush up on my W3C and CSS standards before I worry too much about 'wheelchair access'. Maybe Timmargh can supply some knd of seal of approval if he likes our sites? That counts, right?
Tue 14/09/04 at 15:30
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"l33t cs50r"
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monkey_man wrote:
> What do they want, huge flashing buttons that shout "click
> here!" through the speakers, and "You've rolled over
> me" on(rollOver), or "You've clicked me, are you sure,
> disabled person?"???

In a nutshell:

Has to work with CSS turned off
Has to work in text browsers
Has to contain good structured Symantic mark up
Content should be seperate from design
Alt, Title tags
Access keys
Tab Indexes
Table Summary's
Labels on forms
Navigation has to be clear, and work with styles disabled
Resizable text

The list goes on a bit after that. be happy it's not the same as 508! That has a clause in it about gif's flickering under 50Hz and having to have a Black and White bersion of the site!

The "Checky" plugin for FF is excellent for evaluating your site, especially for sight impaired (has a cool colour blin emulator in it too)

The closest I've come to making a confroming website is: http://wip.ffi.org though this was the last project I was working on before I left the firm and now have no control over the final conformance as I was their Usability and Accessibility guru!

It's good to get into practice with this now.
Tue 14/09/04 at 14:40
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What do they want, huge flashing buttons that shout "click here!" through the speakers, and "You've rolled over me" on(rollOver), or "You've clicked me, are you sure, disabled person?"???
Tue 14/09/04 at 14:30
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cjh wrote:
> Tyla wrote:
> [URL]http://www.uksony.net[/URL]: The diesign is aweful, but I
> didn;t
> do that bit, just coded it and styled it. Not bad for a 2 day job
>
> I still think it isn't too bad.
>
> Can you dive a little deeper into the Disabled Access Rights
> legislation issue.

[URL]http://www.drc-gb.org/businessandservices/access.asp[/URL]
[URL]http://www.drc-gb.org/newsroom/newsdetails.asp?id=715§ion=1[/URL]
[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/871275.stm[/URL]
[URL]http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_legalcase.hcsp[/URL]

Though nothing is spefically said about website, they do come under "services" as that is what they do, provide information and services.

It's a subject worth reading up on. The RNIB have already taken action again 150 business/individuals over website access

FWIW, SR fail even meeting basic accessibility and would be liable for action if a disabled user decided the site was being discrinating.
Tue 14/09/04 at 13:56
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"It goes so quickly"
Posts: 4,083
Tyla wrote:
> [URL]http://www.uksony.net[/URL]: The diesign is aweful, but I didn;t
> do that bit, just coded it and styled it. Not bad for a 2 day job

I still think it isn't too bad.

Can you dive a little deeper into the Disabled Access Rights legislation issue.
Tue 14/09/04 at 13:48
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Tyla wrote:
> Like the site very much, though a tad dark!

Hey, if Darth Vader wasn't black, he wouldn't be scary! It'll lighten up a bit once some more 'decoration' images are in there. Might get rid of that textured background too - verging on tacky.
Tue 14/09/04 at 13:44
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Tyla wrote:
> One thing you should all be aware of is as of Oct 2004, it's a legal
> requiremtn to accomodate the new Disabled Access RIghts legislation.

Does that mean we'll have to conform to BOBBI, and stuff like that?

p.s. that second link didn't work.
Tue 14/09/04 at 13:36
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"l33t cs50r"
Posts: 2,956
monkey_man wrote:
> It's called a pixelfont, can't remember which one specifically right
> now. Looks better in PhotoShop, because you can remove the crappy
> blurring where Flash attempts to blend it in, and it's meant to be
> sharp.

Little hint with Pixlefont and flash.

1. Switch of aliasing or insert it as real text
2. Aligh text to an even pixel. Being slightly off causes blurring.

Like the site very much, though a tad dark!

One thing you should all be aware of is as of Oct 2004, it's a legal requiremtn to accomodate the new Disabled Access RIghts legislation.

And whilst we're at it:

[URL]http://www.uksony.net[/URL]: The diesign is aweful, but I didn;t do that bit, just coded it and styled it. Not bad for a 2 day job

[URL]http://dev.digital-crocus.com/sn[/URL]: Simple site for local firm. Still a couple fo bugs to fix, but does the job nicely for what their brief stated. Also in the process of producing all of their letter heads, business cards, car livery etc.
Tue 14/09/04 at 13:04
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It's called a pixelfont, can't remember which one specifically right now. Looks better in PhotoShop, because you can remove the crappy blurring where Flash attempts to blend it in, and it's meant to be sharp.

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