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I was watching this on the news (from about 10:30-14:00) and i have to say i found it rather exciting, obviously it was a terrible ordeal for everyone involved. Especially the poor kids that were practically naked, apparently when they asked for a drink they were told to strip, their clothes were doused with water and they were told to suck the moisture out. Pretty grim stuff.
Near the end of the special show an ITN cameraman actually got into the gym where everyone had been held, the roof had collapsed (chechen rebels had rigged it with 14 explosive charges) while people were still inside and apparently some 100 bodies lay inside.
The chechens then fled to some buildings nearby and were holding a sustained firefight with the russian military.
Near the end of the special show an ITN cameraman actually got into the gym where everyone had been held, the roof had collapsed (chechen rebels had rigged it with 14 explosive charges) while people were still inside and apparently some 100 bodies lay inside.
The chechens then fled to some buildings nearby and were holding a sustained firefight with the russian military.
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SHEEPY wrote:
> I have absolutely no sympathy for causes that take such action as
> this.
Why though? While these people who took the school and murdered children obviously fought for their cause in an entirely wrong way, it doesn't necessarily mean that the cause itself is wrong. There may well be many more people fighting for this cause in entirely acceptable ways, but the media only has time for it when something terrible like this happens.
Face it, the only time the media covers any kind of protest is when it causes a major nuisance (ie. people going on strike and causing airlines / fire services / whatever to be disrupted) or when it is a violent protest like this one.
> I have absolutely no sympathy for causes that take such action as
> this.
Why though? While these people who took the school and murdered children obviously fought for their cause in an entirely wrong way, it doesn't necessarily mean that the cause itself is wrong. There may well be many more people fighting for this cause in entirely acceptable ways, but the media only has time for it when something terrible like this happens.
Face it, the only time the media covers any kind of protest is when it causes a major nuisance (ie. people going on strike and causing airlines / fire services / whatever to be disrupted) or when it is a violent protest like this one.
Light wrote:
> Well, you get the idea. The only way to stop terrorism is to stop
> partaking of it. Sooner every nation realises this, the sooner the
> terror stops.
I can't see it stopping until...
> Well, you get the idea. The only way to stop terrorism is to stop
> partaking of it. Sooner every nation realises this, the sooner the
> terror stops.
I can't see it stopping until...
Dringo wrote:
> Would it not work for America and other western states to offer a
> deal. We'll wipe the debt if you can keep your country under control
> and remove any terrorist cells.
no, it would not work.
firstly, the west will NEVER wipe the debt, it's a political and economic stranglehold on eastern countries. Secondly, to offer such a thing on the assumption that a country will prove no future hassle would be ridiculous as there are simply no guarantees, any given country could agree to the terms and then simply not comply once the debt is lifted.
it's a nice idea mate, but it's just not going to work :(
> Would it not work for America and other western states to offer a
> deal. We'll wipe the debt if you can keep your country under control
> and remove any terrorist cells.
no, it would not work.
firstly, the west will NEVER wipe the debt, it's a political and economic stranglehold on eastern countries. Secondly, to offer such a thing on the assumption that a country will prove no future hassle would be ridiculous as there are simply no guarantees, any given country could agree to the terms and then simply not comply once the debt is lifted.
it's a nice idea mate, but it's just not going to work :(
Skarra wrote:
> Take the US war on terror, it may not solve terrorism in the long
> term, i'm no fool, i see that, but as one US citizen told me, and i
> quote:
> "Before the 'War on Terror', under Clinton, there were 5 attacks
> on US soil. Since Bush and his War on Terror, there has only been
> one."
maybe so, but the one under Bush eclipsed the others.
although that may simply be down to news saturation. hell if it was me i'd have flown the thing into the statue of liberty, fewer lives lost and the ultimate american symbol lying in ruins, a win-win situation (well, as much as you can get in matters of this nature)
> Take the US war on terror, it may not solve terrorism in the long
> term, i'm no fool, i see that, but as one US citizen told me, and i
> quote:
> "Before the 'War on Terror', under Clinton, there were 5 attacks
> on US soil. Since Bush and his War on Terror, there has only been
> one."
maybe so, but the one under Bush eclipsed the others.
although that may simply be down to news saturation. hell if it was me i'd have flown the thing into the statue of liberty, fewer lives lost and the ultimate american symbol lying in ruins, a win-win situation (well, as much as you can get in matters of this nature)
Or at least get a competent team of people to construct a plan.
The brits would have gone in, contained and not killed any of the hostage takers... no deaths and the tea lady wouldn't have spilled a drop of tea brought in just behind the troops for a nice cuppa after.
Hmmmm bias?
The brits would have gone in, contained and not killed any of the hostage takers... no deaths and the tea lady wouldn't have spilled a drop of tea brought in just behind the troops for a nice cuppa after.
Hmmmm bias?
I was in school when we heard that they had actaully been killed/injured (Until then it was just a hostage situation), but had it not been for the fact that we had been joking around moments before, a tear could have rolled down my cheek.
It's disgusting when terrorists take children, but, the siege shouldn't have happened. They should have waited. Negotiated (I know terrorists should not be negotiated with, but it didn't take a genius to realise they were serious), and then perhaps this wouldn't have happpened.
It's disgusting when terrorists take children, but, the siege shouldn't have happened. They should have waited. Negotiated (I know terrorists should not be negotiated with, but it didn't take a genius to realise they were serious), and then perhaps this wouldn't have happpened.
Dringo wrote:
> When I heard that just 4 of the 20 hostage takers survived I was
> somehow thought to myself how those 16 deserved everything they got.
But then again, most were probably suicidal fanatics anyway, whether they were strapped with bombs or not.
I see where you're coming from, but what about those 300 odd that DIDN'T get what they deserved?
It isn't balanced by a long, long shot.
> When I heard that just 4 of the 20 hostage takers survived I was
> somehow thought to myself how those 16 deserved everything they got.
But then again, most were probably suicidal fanatics anyway, whether they were strapped with bombs or not.
I see where you're coming from, but what about those 300 odd that DIDN'T get what they deserved?
It isn't balanced by a long, long shot.
is just too babaric of the hostage takers,look at what they did those innocent kids,infact people are heart less.
There were 40 hostage-takers and about 1,500 hostages.
They say that maybe 300 max would have been killed.
Think of what could have happened and what did happen, although this is horrible, it could have been so much worse.
There wasn't really going to be any other outcome to this than what happened, they were going to kill the kids no matter what...
They say that maybe 300 max would have been killed.
Think of what could have happened and what did happen, although this is horrible, it could have been so much worse.
There wasn't really going to be any other outcome to this than what happened, they were going to kill the kids no matter what...
It's the forever confusing debate over freedom and dictatorship.
Technically America and the west want full control over everywhere else.
It's all just crazy talk.
Countries are supposed to be in charge of what is in there countries, countries are blamed if a terrorist network exists in that country. It's not fair, these countries aren't bloody America or the UK. They don't have the money because they owe us so much money!
Would it not work for America and other western states to offer a deal. We'll wipe the debt if you can keep your country under control and remove any terrorist cells.
When I heard that just 4 of the 20 hostage takers survived I was somehow thought to myself how those 16 deserved everything they got.
It's amazing how evil people can be.
The UK parties are worried about low turnouts to their elections.
For me I'm happy. When there's less pride in your own country and party then the desire to shoot others from other parties and religions is reduced.
By careing less about the driving forces in society then less people will want to fight eachother for pretty much pointless reasons. The sad thing is it is this lack of interest which could cause dictators and the such like to take control.
Technically America and the west want full control over everywhere else.
It's all just crazy talk.
Countries are supposed to be in charge of what is in there countries, countries are blamed if a terrorist network exists in that country. It's not fair, these countries aren't bloody America or the UK. They don't have the money because they owe us so much money!
Would it not work for America and other western states to offer a deal. We'll wipe the debt if you can keep your country under control and remove any terrorist cells.
When I heard that just 4 of the 20 hostage takers survived I was somehow thought to myself how those 16 deserved everything they got.
It's amazing how evil people can be.
The UK parties are worried about low turnouts to their elections.
For me I'm happy. When there's less pride in your own country and party then the desire to shoot others from other parties and religions is reduced.
By careing less about the driving forces in society then less people will want to fight eachother for pretty much pointless reasons. The sad thing is it is this lack of interest which could cause dictators and the such like to take control.
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