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It's the tribulation, people!
It's the tribulation, people!
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Geffdof wrote:
>
>
> Once you die you either go to heaven or hell. There's no 25 minute
> bus journey between. There's no time to ask for forgiveness once you
> are already in hell. Its too late then.
Really? How do you know what happens after we die? Is there a textbook that explains it in detail?
> He can but it doesnt mean he will. He has said what you have to do
> and if you dont do it then its your fault.
I see. So God isn't unconditionally loving then? What you seem to be saying is that He has it in His power to save every single human being from Hell, but He won't. Doesn't sound very loving, does it?
> First off you have to ask for forgiveness before he will give it to
> you. Secondly it says in the bible that God loves all of his children
> unconditionaly, his children being his followers.
Ahhh, I see! So now it suddenly changes from "God loves us all" to "God only loves those who love him". Is that what you're saying? That you worship a God who hates you (because lets face facts; if He's going to condemn someone to eternal torture, He must hate them) unless you love Him? Sounds more like you're afraid of Him.
>
>
> Once you die you either go to heaven or hell. There's no 25 minute
> bus journey between. There's no time to ask for forgiveness once you
> are already in hell. Its too late then.
Really? How do you know what happens after we die? Is there a textbook that explains it in detail?
> He can but it doesnt mean he will. He has said what you have to do
> and if you dont do it then its your fault.
I see. So God isn't unconditionally loving then? What you seem to be saying is that He has it in His power to save every single human being from Hell, but He won't. Doesn't sound very loving, does it?
> First off you have to ask for forgiveness before he will give it to
> you. Secondly it says in the bible that God loves all of his children
> unconditionaly, his children being his followers.
Ahhh, I see! So now it suddenly changes from "God loves us all" to "God only loves those who love him". Is that what you're saying? That you worship a God who hates you (because lets face facts; if He's going to condemn someone to eternal torture, He must hate them) unless you love Him? Sounds more like you're afraid of Him.
Light wrote:
> Geffdof wrote:
>
> Its a bit late to ask for forgiveness once your dead tho. Keep that
> in mind.
>
> Really? And here was me thinking that heaven was in the afterlife
> thus meaning I wouldn't possibly know if I was wrong until after
> death...
Once you die you either go to heaven or hell. There's no 25 minute bus journey between. There's no time to ask for forgiveness once you are already in hell. Its too late then.
>
> Y'see, that's the great thing about God's Omnipotence; He can do
> anything .
He can but it doesnt mean he will. He has said what you have to do and if you dont do it then its your fault.
>So being as how Christians are constantly telling us
> that God loves us all unconditionally, He'll have no difficulty
> cleansing my sins and letting me into heaven. Will He?
First off you have to ask for forgiveness before he will give it to you. Secondly it says in the bible that God loves all of his children unconditionaly, his children being his followers.
> Geffdof wrote:
>
> Its a bit late to ask for forgiveness once your dead tho. Keep that
> in mind.
>
> Really? And here was me thinking that heaven was in the afterlife
> thus meaning I wouldn't possibly know if I was wrong until after
> death...
Once you die you either go to heaven or hell. There's no 25 minute bus journey between. There's no time to ask for forgiveness once you are already in hell. Its too late then.
>
> Y'see, that's the great thing about God's Omnipotence; He can do
> anything .
He can but it doesnt mean he will. He has said what you have to do and if you dont do it then its your fault.
>So being as how Christians are constantly telling us
> that God loves us all unconditionally, He'll have no difficulty
> cleansing my sins and letting me into heaven. Will He?
First off you have to ask for forgiveness before he will give it to you. Secondly it says in the bible that God loves all of his children unconditionaly, his children being his followers.
Azul wrote:
> And when I originally said "you" when mentioning it, I
> suppose I really meant religious people in general/anyone who wishes
> to use it, not necessarily him alone. Bah.
Yeah, I could tell; just as it's convention to capitalise references to God, it's convention to include at least one derogatory comment when referring to Mary. As the insult was absent...
> And when I originally said "you" when mentioning it, I
> suppose I really meant religious people in general/anyone who wishes
> to use it, not necessarily him alone. Bah.
Yeah, I could tell; just as it's convention to capitalise references to God, it's convention to include at least one derogatory comment when referring to Mary. As the insult was absent...
It makes sense, don't worry.
And when I originally said "you" when mentioning it, I suppose I really meant religious people in general/anyone who wishes to use it, not necessarily him alone. Bah.
And when I originally said "you" when mentioning it, I suppose I really meant religious people in general/anyone who wishes to use it, not necessarily him alone. Bah.
Azul wrote:
>
> But why?
> That's my point.
The Why of the matter is that a nation's God of choice is always referred to in the upper case. It has been a convention of the English language pretty much since it's inception that when referring to God, capitals will always be used. So in the sentence;
"And then He said to him 'You really are a bigoted little prig, aren't you Mary?' To which he replied 'I love You better than anyone else! Please tell me I'm worthwhile!'"
we know that God is talking to someone called Mary because of the capitalisation of He and You.
Does that make sense or am I talking asshat?
>
> It's being pedantic really, but I want to see if he can actually put
> forward some kind of well constructed answer.
> Asking a lot, I know, but I can always hope.
You're expecting him to actually know something?!?! Good God yeah, you are asking a lot!
>
> But why?
> That's my point.
The Why of the matter is that a nation's God of choice is always referred to in the upper case. It has been a convention of the English language pretty much since it's inception that when referring to God, capitals will always be used. So in the sentence;
"And then He said to him 'You really are a bigoted little prig, aren't you Mary?' To which he replied 'I love You better than anyone else! Please tell me I'm worthwhile!'"
we know that God is talking to someone called Mary because of the capitalisation of He and You.
Does that make sense or am I talking asshat?
>
> It's being pedantic really, but I want to see if he can actually put
> forward some kind of well constructed answer.
> Asking a lot, I know, but I can always hope.
You're expecting him to actually know something?!?! Good God yeah, you are asking a lot!
Light wrote:
> Actually, that's been a convention of the English language for a
> while. As we're ostensibly a protestant country, our rules of grammar
> take into account our national religion. Hence God is always referred
> to as He, His, Him etc.
But why?
That's my point.
It's being pedantic really, but I want to see if he can actually put forward some kind of well constructed answer.
Asking a lot, I know, but I can always hope.
> Actually, that's been a convention of the English language for a
> while. As we're ostensibly a protestant country, our rules of grammar
> take into account our national religion. Hence God is always referred
> to as He, His, Him etc.
But why?
That's my point.
It's being pedantic really, but I want to see if he can actually put forward some kind of well constructed answer.
Asking a lot, I know, but I can always hope.
Answer the questions Mary.
Azul wrote:
> Azul wrote:
> And although it's a minor point, what is the point in put capitals
> when mentioning him? To show respect? To admire him?
> Why?
Actually, that's been a convention of the English language for a while. As we're ostensibly a protestant country, our rules of grammar take into account our national religion. Hence God is always referred to as He, His, Him etc.
Or to put it another way, yes it's about respect and admiration for God. A pity Mary doesn't know such basic things about his own faith...
> Azul wrote:
> And although it's a minor point, what is the point in put capitals
> when mentioning him? To show respect? To admire him?
> Why?
Actually, that's been a convention of the English language for a while. As we're ostensibly a protestant country, our rules of grammar take into account our national religion. Hence God is always referred to as He, His, Him etc.
Or to put it another way, yes it's about respect and admiration for God. A pity Mary doesn't know such basic things about his own faith...
Forest Fan wrote:
> monkey_man wrote:
> Then why are you telling us to "watch your space"?
>
> So you will all observe the new tagline, when it's up.
Why not put it up now?
And it's hilarious that you don't realise how what you're saying so blatantly demands attention and for the focus to be on you.
It's like making everyone aware of it so that everyone can see it at once.
And let me guess - "omg engurlund 7-0 fracne!1"
Or at least, that's what you hope.
> monkey_man wrote:
> Then why are you telling us to "watch your space"?
>
> So you will all observe the new tagline, when it's up.
Why not put it up now?
And it's hilarious that you don't realise how what you're saying so blatantly demands attention and for the focus to be on you.
It's like making everyone aware of it so that everyone can see it at once.
And let me guess - "omg engurlund 7-0 fracne!1"
Or at least, that's what you hope.
Azul wrote:
> And although it's a minor point, what is the point in put capitals
> when mentioning him? To show respect? To admire him?
> Why?
> And although it's a minor point, what is the point in put capitals
> when mentioning him? To show respect? To admire him?
> Why?
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