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It's the tribulation, people!
It's the tribulation, people!
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Light wrote:
>
> I have read most of the bible, and it does indeed offer some useful
> philosophical points on how to lead your life. But it's a guidebook,
> not an instruction manual. You're assuming I don't believe in God.
> You're wrong. I believe that Gods love is unconditional, and nothing
> we say or do will change that. If the main message of the bible is to
> love God and treat everyone as you would wish to be treated, why are
> you so afraid of God and why do so many churches tell us that if we
> don't do as they say, we'll go to hell?
Churches used to say that as a way to get money out of people, I suppose the tradition stuck
>
> This isn't arguing; this is questioning. I want you to think about
> your faith, and not just blindly accept what you're told.
I suppose your right. All of these little technicalities dont really matter anyway, do they?
Ive really got to go now tho or i'll miss my exam.
>
> I have read most of the bible, and it does indeed offer some useful
> philosophical points on how to lead your life. But it's a guidebook,
> not an instruction manual. You're assuming I don't believe in God.
> You're wrong. I believe that Gods love is unconditional, and nothing
> we say or do will change that. If the main message of the bible is to
> love God and treat everyone as you would wish to be treated, why are
> you so afraid of God and why do so many churches tell us that if we
> don't do as they say, we'll go to hell?
Churches used to say that as a way to get money out of people, I suppose the tradition stuck
>
> This isn't arguing; this is questioning. I want you to think about
> your faith, and not just blindly accept what you're told.
I suppose your right. All of these little technicalities dont really matter anyway, do they?
Ive really got to go now tho or i'll miss my exam.
Geffdof wrote:
> Im not going to answer these individually instead i'll make a little
> summary.
>
>
> I dont know all of the answeres. In fact my answeres could be wrong,
> but its what I believe. The bible is an excellent book and I suggest
> you read it. Even if it is man made and wrong it raises some
> excellent issues and gives some great advice. The main message of the
> bible is to Love God and to treat everyone as you wish to be treated.
> If we all followed this, wheather its real or fake, then the world
> would be a much nicer place. I'll probably never get you to believe
> in God by arguing on these forums so I might as well stop now. If you
> are currious feel free to ask but lets stop all of this arguing which
> has no end.
I have read most of the bible, and it does indeed offer some useful philosophical points on how to lead your life. But it's a guidebook, not an instruction manual. You're assuming I don't believe in God. You're wrong. I believe that Gods love is unconditional, and nothing we say or do will change that. If the main message of the bible is to love God and treat everyone as you would wish to be treated, why are you so afraid of God and why do so many churches tell us that if we don't do as they say, we'll go to hell?
This isn't arguing; this is questioning. I want you to think about your faith, and not just blindly accept what you're told.
> Im not going to answer these individually instead i'll make a little
> summary.
>
>
> I dont know all of the answeres. In fact my answeres could be wrong,
> but its what I believe. The bible is an excellent book and I suggest
> you read it. Even if it is man made and wrong it raises some
> excellent issues and gives some great advice. The main message of the
> bible is to Love God and to treat everyone as you wish to be treated.
> If we all followed this, wheather its real or fake, then the world
> would be a much nicer place. I'll probably never get you to believe
> in God by arguing on these forums so I might as well stop now. If you
> are currious feel free to ask but lets stop all of this arguing which
> has no end.
I have read most of the bible, and it does indeed offer some useful philosophical points on how to lead your life. But it's a guidebook, not an instruction manual. You're assuming I don't believe in God. You're wrong. I believe that Gods love is unconditional, and nothing we say or do will change that. If the main message of the bible is to love God and treat everyone as you would wish to be treated, why are you so afraid of God and why do so many churches tell us that if we don't do as they say, we'll go to hell?
This isn't arguing; this is questioning. I want you to think about your faith, and not just blindly accept what you're told.
Im not going to answer these individually instead i'll make a little summary.
I dont know all of the answeres. In fact my answeres could be wrong, but its what I believe. The bible is an excellent book and I suggest you read it. Even if it is man made and wrong it raises some excellent issues and gives some great advice. The main message of the bible is to Love God and to treat everyone as you wish to be treated. If we all followed this, wheather its real or fake, then the world would be a much nicer place. I'll probably never get you to believe in God by arguing on these forums so I might as well stop now. If you are currious feel free to ask but lets stop all of this arguing which has no end.
And thanx for wishing me luck. I'll need it.
I dont know all of the answeres. In fact my answeres could be wrong, but its what I believe. The bible is an excellent book and I suggest you read it. Even if it is man made and wrong it raises some excellent issues and gives some great advice. The main message of the bible is to Love God and to treat everyone as you wish to be treated. If we all followed this, wheather its real or fake, then the world would be a much nicer place. I'll probably never get you to believe in God by arguing on these forums so I might as well stop now. If you are currious feel free to ask but lets stop all of this arguing which has no end.
And thanx for wishing me luck. I'll need it.
Geffdof wrote:
>
>
> I'll agree with you on that. There are lost of diferent flavours and
> I think that a bad thing. Most aren't based on the bible they are man
> made.
What proof do you have that the bible isn't manmade?
> He hates the sins that we commit.
And, as I asked previously, if it's only the sins he hates and not us, then why doesn't he cleanse us of those sins so that we can enter heaven?
> God isnt actually beating you up tho is he. I see where you comming
> from but your twisting my words and you know it.
No, I don't think I am at all. An abusive husband says to his wife "Do as I say, or I'll hit you". God says "Do as I say, or I'll send you to hell". What's the difference?
He's not beating me up; he's having me tortured. Which makes him worse than a million abusive husbands.
> So he hates what you do? Hmm....so God doesn't actually apply the
> doctrine of "Love the sinner, hate the sin" then? Also,
> how
> do you know He hates what you do? Who told you that? And your
> protestations aside, you seem very afraid of him; you're worshipping
> him because you're afraid of going to hell, not out of love for Him.
> That sounds like fear to me.
>
>
>
> The bible says that. God set some rule and doesnt like it when we
> break them. Parents shout at kids when they do things wrong.
Do parents beat their children to death for making a mistake? No; they discipline them and then let them get on; they let them learn from their mistakes. It seems that God isn't a very good father if He won't let us do that.
>
> Maybe im wrong and we'll all go to heaven because he loves us all. I
> honestly dont know. I'll have a look at some bible passages and make
> my own decision.
Why shouldn't Gods love be unconditional? What can oppose His will? What is it about us saying "I'm not going to spend my life in fear of You" that is so bad?
>
> I cant stay much longer and argue tho cos I've got an Alevel exam to
> go to.
Best of luck.
>
>
> I'll agree with you on that. There are lost of diferent flavours and
> I think that a bad thing. Most aren't based on the bible they are man
> made.
What proof do you have that the bible isn't manmade?
> He hates the sins that we commit.
And, as I asked previously, if it's only the sins he hates and not us, then why doesn't he cleanse us of those sins so that we can enter heaven?
> God isnt actually beating you up tho is he. I see where you comming
> from but your twisting my words and you know it.
No, I don't think I am at all. An abusive husband says to his wife "Do as I say, or I'll hit you". God says "Do as I say, or I'll send you to hell". What's the difference?
He's not beating me up; he's having me tortured. Which makes him worse than a million abusive husbands.
> So he hates what you do? Hmm....so God doesn't actually apply the
> doctrine of "Love the sinner, hate the sin" then? Also,
> how
> do you know He hates what you do? Who told you that? And your
> protestations aside, you seem very afraid of him; you're worshipping
> him because you're afraid of going to hell, not out of love for Him.
> That sounds like fear to me.
>
>
>
> The bible says that. God set some rule and doesnt like it when we
> break them. Parents shout at kids when they do things wrong.
Do parents beat their children to death for making a mistake? No; they discipline them and then let them get on; they let them learn from their mistakes. It seems that God isn't a very good father if He won't let us do that.
>
> Maybe im wrong and we'll all go to heaven because he loves us all. I
> honestly dont know. I'll have a look at some bible passages and make
> my own decision.
Why shouldn't Gods love be unconditional? What can oppose His will? What is it about us saying "I'm not going to spend my life in fear of You" that is so bad?
>
> I cant stay much longer and argue tho cos I've got an Alevel exam to
> go to.
Best of luck.
Light wrote:
> Geffdof wrote:
>
>
> It's also very obviously contradictory; look at the number of
> different flavours of christianity and their differing views on what
> happens after death.
I'll agree with you on that. There are lost of diferent flavours and I think that a bad thing. Most aren't based on the bible they are man made.
>
>
>
>
> So God does not in fact love us at all; he hates us and as a rule we
> will go to hell. However, if we say that we love him he will let us
> into heaven?
He hates the sins that we commit.
>
> Right...okay, so what is the difference between what you're saying,
> and a battered wife saying "My man loves me really; I deserve to
> be beaten, but because he loves me so much and even though I don't
> deserve it, he lets me live with him".
>
God isnt actually beating you up tho is he. I see where you comming from but your twisting my words and you know it.
>
>
> So he hates what you do? Hmm....so God doesn't actually apply the
> doctrine of "Love the sinner, hate the sin" then? Also, how
> do you know He hates what you do? Who told you that? And your
> protestations aside, you seem very afraid of him; you're worshipping
> him because you're afraid of going to hell, not out of love for Him.
> That sounds like fear to me.
The bible says that. God set some rule and doesnt like it when we break them. Parents shout at kids when they do things wrong.
Maybe im wrong and we'll all go to heaven because he loves us all. I honestly dont know. I'll have a look at some bible passages and make my own decision.
I cant stay much longer and argue tho cos I've got an Alevel exam to go to.
> Geffdof wrote:
>
>
> It's also very obviously contradictory; look at the number of
> different flavours of christianity and their differing views on what
> happens after death.
I'll agree with you on that. There are lost of diferent flavours and I think that a bad thing. Most aren't based on the bible they are man made.
>
>
>
>
> So God does not in fact love us at all; he hates us and as a rule we
> will go to hell. However, if we say that we love him he will let us
> into heaven?
He hates the sins that we commit.
>
> Right...okay, so what is the difference between what you're saying,
> and a battered wife saying "My man loves me really; I deserve to
> be beaten, but because he loves me so much and even though I don't
> deserve it, he lets me live with him".
>
God isnt actually beating you up tho is he. I see where you comming from but your twisting my words and you know it.
>
>
> So he hates what you do? Hmm....so God doesn't actually apply the
> doctrine of "Love the sinner, hate the sin" then? Also, how
> do you know He hates what you do? Who told you that? And your
> protestations aside, you seem very afraid of him; you're worshipping
> him because you're afraid of going to hell, not out of love for Him.
> That sounds like fear to me.
The bible says that. God set some rule and doesnt like it when we break them. Parents shout at kids when they do things wrong.
Maybe im wrong and we'll all go to heaven because he loves us all. I honestly dont know. I'll have a look at some bible passages and make my own decision.
I cant stay much longer and argue tho cos I've got an Alevel exam to go to.
Geffdof wrote:
> Im going by the Bible here. But granted its not highly detailed in
> this area.
It's also very obviously contradictory; look at the number of different flavours of christianity and their differing views on what happens after death.
> We are all sinners who dont deserve to go to heaven. God has provided
> a way for those who are truely sorry to avoid hell. We should all go
> to hell really, none of us deserve a place in heaven.
So God does not in fact love us at all; he hates us and as a rule we will go to hell. However, if we say that we love him he will let us into heaven?
Right...okay, so what is the difference between what you're saying, and a battered wife saying "My man loves me really; I deserve to be beaten, but because he loves me so much and even though I don't deserve it, he lets me live with him".
>
>
>
>
>
> Ahhh, I see! So now it suddenly changes from "God loves us
> all" to "God only loves those who love him". Is that
> what you're saying? That you worship a God who hates you (because
> lets face facts; if He's going to condemn someone to eternal
> torture,
> He must hate them) unless you love Him? Sounds more like you're
> afraid of Him.
>
>
> He hates what I do, yes. But he doesnt hate me personally. And no im
> not scared of him.
So he hates what you do? Hmm....so God doesn't actually apply the doctrine of "Love the sinner, hate the sin" then? Also, how do you know He hates what you do? Who told you that? And your protestations aside, you seem very afraid of him; you're worshipping him because you're afraid of going to hell, not out of love for Him. That sounds like fear to me.
> Im going by the Bible here. But granted its not highly detailed in
> this area.
It's also very obviously contradictory; look at the number of different flavours of christianity and their differing views on what happens after death.
> We are all sinners who dont deserve to go to heaven. God has provided
> a way for those who are truely sorry to avoid hell. We should all go
> to hell really, none of us deserve a place in heaven.
So God does not in fact love us at all; he hates us and as a rule we will go to hell. However, if we say that we love him he will let us into heaven?
Right...okay, so what is the difference between what you're saying, and a battered wife saying "My man loves me really; I deserve to be beaten, but because he loves me so much and even though I don't deserve it, he lets me live with him".
>
>
>
>
>
> Ahhh, I see! So now it suddenly changes from "God loves us
> all" to "God only loves those who love him". Is that
> what you're saying? That you worship a God who hates you (because
> lets face facts; if He's going to condemn someone to eternal
> torture,
> He must hate them) unless you love Him? Sounds more like you're
> afraid of Him.
>
>
> He hates what I do, yes. But he doesnt hate me personally. And no im
> not scared of him.
So he hates what you do? Hmm....so God doesn't actually apply the doctrine of "Love the sinner, hate the sin" then? Also, how do you know He hates what you do? Who told you that? And your protestations aside, you seem very afraid of him; you're worshipping him because you're afraid of going to hell, not out of love for Him. That sounds like fear to me.
Light wrote:
> >
> Really? How do you know what happens after we die? Is there a
> textbook that explains it in detail?
Im going by the Bible here. But granted its not highly detailed in this area.
>
> >
> I see. So God isn't unconditionally loving then? What you seem to be
> saying is that He has it in His power to save every single human
> being from Hell, but He won't. Doesn't sound very loving, does it?
We are all sinners who dont deserve to go to heaven. God has provided a way for those who are truely sorry to avoid hell. We should all go to hell really, none of us deserve a place in heaven.
>
>
> Ahhh, I see! So now it suddenly changes from "God loves us
> all" to "God only loves those who love him". Is that
> what you're saying? That you worship a God who hates you (because
> lets face facts; if He's going to condemn someone to eternal torture,
> He must hate them) unless you love Him? Sounds more like you're
> afraid of Him.
He hates what I do, yes. But he doesnt hate me personally. And no im not scared of him.
> >
> Really? How do you know what happens after we die? Is there a
> textbook that explains it in detail?
Im going by the Bible here. But granted its not highly detailed in this area.
>
> >
> I see. So God isn't unconditionally loving then? What you seem to be
> saying is that He has it in His power to save every single human
> being from Hell, but He won't. Doesn't sound very loving, does it?
We are all sinners who dont deserve to go to heaven. God has provided a way for those who are truely sorry to avoid hell. We should all go to hell really, none of us deserve a place in heaven.
>
>
> Ahhh, I see! So now it suddenly changes from "God loves us
> all" to "God only loves those who love him". Is that
> what you're saying? That you worship a God who hates you (because
> lets face facts; if He's going to condemn someone to eternal torture,
> He must hate them) unless you love Him? Sounds more like you're
> afraid of Him.
He hates what I do, yes. But he doesnt hate me personally. And no im not scared of him.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Putting God in capitals shows the importance of Him, to show He
> deserves more respect than us.
Well done; it only took you 24 hours and a read through of the explanation I'd already given to answer that one. Bravo Mary, bravo!
> Putting God in capitals shows the importance of Him, to show He
> deserves more respect than us.
Well done; it only took you 24 hours and a read through of the explanation I'd already given to answer that one. Bravo Mary, bravo!
Forest Fan wrote:
> Putting God in capitals shows the importance of Him, to show He
> deserves more respect than us.
Since hes omnipotent, and deserves utmost respect, why not type: -
GODOMGWTFBBQ!
> Putting God in capitals shows the importance of Him, to show He
> deserves more respect than us.
Since hes omnipotent, and deserves utmost respect, why not type: -
GODOMGWTFBBQ!
Azul wrote:
> Azul wrote:
> And although it's a minor point, what is the point in put capitals
> when mentioning him? To show respect? To admire him?
> Why?
Putting God in capitals shows the importance of Him, to show He deserves more respect than us.
> Azul wrote:
> And although it's a minor point, what is the point in put capitals
> when mentioning him? To show respect? To admire him?
> Why?
Putting God in capitals shows the importance of Him, to show He deserves more respect than us.
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