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To all those who insist in following the Cult that is "evolution" here are yet more of the infinite flaws in the fairy tale. This is the side the evolutionist scientists of course don't tell you.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
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Forest Fan wrote:
> Tallan wrote:
> What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of
> heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we
> should live our lives.
>
> And number 8) Having fun. Happy Tallan?
And the biblical definition of having fun is?
Eg what activities are open to you? Can you get drunk with your mates, go to live rock concerts or have casual sex with beautiful women?
> Tallan wrote:
> What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of
> heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we
> should live our lives.
>
> And number 8) Having fun. Happy Tallan?
And the biblical definition of having fun is?
Eg what activities are open to you? Can you get drunk with your mates, go to live rock concerts or have casual sex with beautiful women?
Cyclone wrote:
> No.......
It will happen and we can't stop it happening.
> Where now?
Yes now and in the future.
When and where are these things happening?!
Some we are seeing happening now as we are in the End Times and some will come true in times to come.
>
> Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
That will be Russia (Gog and Magog) and other country when it fight Israel.
> No.......
It will happen and we can't stop it happening.
> Where now?
Yes now and in the future.
When and where are these things happening?!
Some we are seeing happening now as we are in the End Times and some will come true in times to come.
>
> Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
That will be Russia (Gog and Magog) and other country when it fight Israel.
Tallan wrote:
> What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of
> heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we
> should live our lives.
And number 8) Having fun. Happy Tallan?
> What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of
> heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we
> should live our lives.
And number 8) Having fun. Happy Tallan?
Lindgren wrote:
> >
> But that is just a book with no basis in reality and no way to prove
> whether that statement is true or not, therefore it counts for
> nothing and can easily be dismissed out of hand.
>
>
>
>
Exactly. Forest Fan, please read this and DO NOT quote the Bible back.
Look. The Bible is a book written around 2 thousand years ago, yes? What was going on at that time? Um, not much really. People were surviving rather exercising the level of scientific and technological powers that have developed in particular over the past 200 years. Of course there was some science and tech going on, but could it explain stuff? NO. Therefore, the Bible was written at a time when humanity understood nothing about the world, especially in relation to now.
This, unfortunatly, was allowed to grow and therefore become compunded by faith that was perhaps at least reasonable back then, but has stuck until it becomes the faith it is today. Personal faith = fine. Faith as an explanation for stuff? No way.
One cannot therefore use the Bible as 'proof'. We just don't accpet it as such. Science at least provides reason, while the Bible proves through ancient words rather than real material evidence, and these words are beliefs rather than explanations. This means that you could say 'The Bible says that lions are actually red' and BELIEVE this false statement because it's in the Bible, and therefore equals proof - which it does not, because all it is is some seriously compounded words!!! However, science (or indeed our eyes) tell us that Lions are tawny-yellow/golden, whatever. That is an example btw...
> >
> But that is just a book with no basis in reality and no way to prove
> whether that statement is true or not, therefore it counts for
> nothing and can easily be dismissed out of hand.
>
>
>
>
Exactly. Forest Fan, please read this and DO NOT quote the Bible back.
Look. The Bible is a book written around 2 thousand years ago, yes? What was going on at that time? Um, not much really. People were surviving rather exercising the level of scientific and technological powers that have developed in particular over the past 200 years. Of course there was some science and tech going on, but could it explain stuff? NO. Therefore, the Bible was written at a time when humanity understood nothing about the world, especially in relation to now.
This, unfortunatly, was allowed to grow and therefore become compunded by faith that was perhaps at least reasonable back then, but has stuck until it becomes the faith it is today. Personal faith = fine. Faith as an explanation for stuff? No way.
One cannot therefore use the Bible as 'proof'. We just don't accpet it as such. Science at least provides reason, while the Bible proves through ancient words rather than real material evidence, and these words are beliefs rather than explanations. This means that you could say 'The Bible says that lions are actually red' and BELIEVE this false statement because it's in the Bible, and therefore equals proof - which it does not, because all it is is some seriously compounded words!!! However, science (or indeed our eyes) tell us that Lions are tawny-yellow/golden, whatever. That is an example btw...
Forest Fan wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Because the Bible, as well as being the Word of God is Truth, as for
> the irrelevance part, I hardly think it is, as it forsees the
>
>
> I'll quote verses that apply to the relevant points;
>
> Rapture
> of believers,
>
> Where?
>
> "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are
> alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those
> who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven
> with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of
> God, and the dead in Christ will RISE first. Then we who are
> alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds
> to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the
> Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
>
> Millennium,
>
> Or this convieniently fits on with, um, a calendar.......
>
> "Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was
> given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded
> because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,
> and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not
> received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came
> to life and reigned with Christ for a THOUSAND YEARS."
> Revelation 20:4
>
>
> Lake of Fire,
>
> where?
>
> Then death and Hades were thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE. This
> is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not
> found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the LAKE OF
> FIRE. Revelation 20:14&15
>
>
> Anti-Christ,
>
> where?
>
> "And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments.
> This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning,
> that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the
> world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the
> flesh. This is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST. Watch
> yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that
> you may receive a full reward." 2 John 1:6-8
>
>
> False Prophet,
>
> Where?
>
> "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of
> fire and brimstone, where the beast and the FALSE PROPHET are
> also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and
> ever." Revelation 20:10
>
> Mark of the Beast (which is just becoming available)
>
> What, at Marks & Sparks?
>
> Nope
>
> "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and
> the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a MARK
> on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one
> will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the
> MARK, either the name of the BEAST or the number of his
> name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the
> number of the BEAST, for the number is that of a man; and his
> number is six hundred and sixty-six." Revelation 13:16-18
>
>
> , Wars with
> Russia,
>
> When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from
> his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the
> four corners of the earth, GOG AND MAGOG, to gather them
> together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the
> seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and
> surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came
> down from heaven and devoured them." Revelation 20:7-9
>
> Gog and Magog being modern day Russia.
>
> When in the last 50 years? Who with Russia?
>
> New Jerusalem and future of Israel.
>
> What?
>
> "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My
> God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him
> the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new
> Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new
> name." Revelation 3:12
>
>
> Now that's relevance.
>
> Is it?!
>
> Yes, as these prophecies are being fuffiled (like techonology for the
> Mark of the Beast ready in the States) will be here VERY
> soon.
No.......
Where now? When and where are these things happening?!
Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
> Cyclone wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Because the Bible, as well as being the Word of God is Truth, as for
> the irrelevance part, I hardly think it is, as it forsees the
>
>
> I'll quote verses that apply to the relevant points;
>
> Rapture
> of believers,
>
> Where?
>
> "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are
> alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those
> who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven
> with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of
> God, and the dead in Christ will RISE first. Then we who are
> alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds
> to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the
> Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
>
> Millennium,
>
> Or this convieniently fits on with, um, a calendar.......
>
> "Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was
> given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded
> because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,
> and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not
> received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came
> to life and reigned with Christ for a THOUSAND YEARS."
> Revelation 20:4
>
>
> Lake of Fire,
>
> where?
>
> Then death and Hades were thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE. This
> is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not
> found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the LAKE OF
> FIRE. Revelation 20:14&15
>
>
> Anti-Christ,
>
> where?
>
> "And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments.
> This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning,
> that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the
> world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the
> flesh. This is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST. Watch
> yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that
> you may receive a full reward." 2 John 1:6-8
>
>
> False Prophet,
>
> Where?
>
> "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of
> fire and brimstone, where the beast and the FALSE PROPHET are
> also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and
> ever." Revelation 20:10
>
> Mark of the Beast (which is just becoming available)
>
> What, at Marks & Sparks?
>
> Nope
>
> "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and
> the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a MARK
> on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one
> will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the
> MARK, either the name of the BEAST or the number of his
> name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the
> number of the BEAST, for the number is that of a man; and his
> number is six hundred and sixty-six." Revelation 13:16-18
>
>
> , Wars with
> Russia,
>
> When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from
> his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the
> four corners of the earth, GOG AND MAGOG, to gather them
> together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the
> seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and
> surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came
> down from heaven and devoured them." Revelation 20:7-9
>
> Gog and Magog being modern day Russia.
>
> When in the last 50 years? Who with Russia?
>
> New Jerusalem and future of Israel.
>
> What?
>
> "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My
> God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him
> the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new
> Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new
> name." Revelation 3:12
>
>
> Now that's relevance.
>
> Is it?!
>
> Yes, as these prophecies are being fuffiled (like techonology for the
> Mark of the Beast ready in the States) will be here VERY
> soon.
No.......
Where now? When and where are these things happening?!
Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
Forest Fan wrote:
> Lindgren wrote:
> A simple definition of evolution, (let me know what you think of
> this
> loki)
>
> "Evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the
> frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the
> next."
>
> And Creation can be defined in TEN yes TEN words, the
> first ten in the Bible;
>
> "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the
> earth." Genesis 1:1
>
But that is just a book with no basis in reality and no way to prove whether that statement is true or not, therefore it counts for nothing and can easily be dismissed out of hand.
>
> I don't see a whole lot wrong with that statement, it defines
> evolution very well in relatively simple terms.
>
> Except it doesn't change the fact, evolution is fundamentally
> impossible.
Evolution is happening all around you in almost every species on Earth.
> It came from Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989
> Worth Publishers, p.974
>
> It conveys the essence of evolution and shows how evolution is
> observed, by detecting a change in frequency of genes in a
> population.
>
> It is one of the best definitions of evolution I have ever come
> across.
>
> And the best definition of the Truth, as with other subjects, is the
> Word of Truth, of God's Word, the Bible.
Its a book based on people's interpretation of someone no one can prove even exists, hardly worth paying much attention to unless you are devout.
> Lindgren wrote:
> A simple definition of evolution, (let me know what you think of
> this
> loki)
>
> "Evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the
> frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the
> next."
>
> And Creation can be defined in TEN yes TEN words, the
> first ten in the Bible;
>
> "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the
> earth." Genesis 1:1
>
But that is just a book with no basis in reality and no way to prove whether that statement is true or not, therefore it counts for nothing and can easily be dismissed out of hand.
>
> I don't see a whole lot wrong with that statement, it defines
> evolution very well in relatively simple terms.
>
> Except it doesn't change the fact, evolution is fundamentally
> impossible.
Evolution is happening all around you in almost every species on Earth.
> It came from Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989
> Worth Publishers, p.974
>
> It conveys the essence of evolution and shows how evolution is
> observed, by detecting a change in frequency of genes in a
> population.
>
> It is one of the best definitions of evolution I have ever come
> across.
>
> And the best definition of the Truth, as with other subjects, is the
> Word of Truth, of God's Word, the Bible.
Its a book based on people's interpretation of someone no one can prove even exists, hardly worth paying much attention to unless you are devout.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Did you read the part where I said "scientific proof"?
>
> Yep, didn't agree with it, one bit. But as I have already disproved
> all the points, I'm not prepared to do the same again, so early in
> the morning... well not early, but you know.
So you cannot disprove evolution, a scientifit theory, by using science? So this topic is therefore won by the evolutionists, as the whole point was you trying to disprove evolution as a scientific theory.
> Did you read the part where I said "scientific proof"?
>
> Yep, didn't agree with it, one bit. But as I have already disproved
> all the points, I'm not prepared to do the same again, so early in
> the morning... well not early, but you know.
So you cannot disprove evolution, a scientifit theory, by using science? So this topic is therefore won by the evolutionists, as the whole point was you trying to disprove evolution as a scientific theory.
Forest Fan wrote:
> It doesn't change the fact you and everyone else today are sinners
> and will NEVER get into Heaven, by "good works".
As stated before, I neither will nor want to go heaven. I am going to Paradise.
> "I do not sin." So Tallan is sinless....
>
> "Very Much." Ah... so Tallan is a sinner, like everyone
> else...
Hence the 'Very much'.
> Without disrepect Tallan, you are using the simplest, theory. You
> can't pick and choose to go out of existence, because man is eternal
> like God. Your sins follow you, because they have to be somewhere.
> But your sins DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW YOU. If you trust in Jesus He will
> take away the sins. Your sins do follow you around now, the only way
> to shift them is with Jesus.
Why can I not? I believe in my own religion, not yours. My god will see me through.
> Which means you can do? Give me a good reason for wanting to go to
> your heaven.
>
> I can give you more than one...
>
> 1) Dwelling with God for eternity
> 2) Dwelling with Jesus for eternity
> 3) Living in perfection for eternity
> 4) Avoiding the Lake of Fire
> 5) Working for the Lord
> 6) Serving the Lord
> 7) Meeting Old Testament characters like Moses, Elijah and New
> Testament ones like John and Luke.
What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we should live our lives.
> It doesn't change the fact you and everyone else today are sinners
> and will NEVER get into Heaven, by "good works".
As stated before, I neither will nor want to go heaven. I am going to Paradise.
> "I do not sin." So Tallan is sinless....
>
> "Very Much." Ah... so Tallan is a sinner, like everyone
> else...
Hence the 'Very much'.
> Without disrepect Tallan, you are using the simplest, theory. You
> can't pick and choose to go out of existence, because man is eternal
> like God. Your sins follow you, because they have to be somewhere.
> But your sins DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW YOU. If you trust in Jesus He will
> take away the sins. Your sins do follow you around now, the only way
> to shift them is with Jesus.
Why can I not? I believe in my own religion, not yours. My god will see me through.
> Which means you can do? Give me a good reason for wanting to go to
> your heaven.
>
> I can give you more than one...
>
> 1) Dwelling with God for eternity
> 2) Dwelling with Jesus for eternity
> 3) Living in perfection for eternity
> 4) Avoiding the Lake of Fire
> 5) Working for the Lord
> 6) Serving the Lord
> 7) Meeting Old Testament characters like Moses, Elijah and New
> Testament ones like John and Luke.
What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we should live our lives.
Tallan wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Please explain how you reached this conclusion. And no religious
> quotes please, just scientific facts thankyou.#
>
> Every creation, must have a creator. They don't just
> "appear".
>
> Did you read the part where I said "scientific proof"?
Yep, didn't agree with it, one bit. But as I have already disproved all the points, I'm not prepared to do the same again, so early in the morning... well not early, but you know.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Please explain how you reached this conclusion. And no religious
> quotes please, just scientific facts thankyou.#
>
> Every creation, must have a creator. They don't just
> "appear".
>
> Did you read the part where I said "scientific proof"?
Yep, didn't agree with it, one bit. But as I have already disproved all the points, I'm not prepared to do the same again, so early in the morning... well not early, but you know.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Please explain how you reached this conclusion. And no religious
> quotes please, just scientific facts thankyou.#
>
> Every creation, must have a creator. They don't just
> "appear".
Did you read the part where I said "scientific proof"?
> Please explain how you reached this conclusion. And no religious
> quotes please, just scientific facts thankyou.#
>
> Every creation, must have a creator. They don't just
> "appear".
Did you read the part where I said "scientific proof"?
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