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To all those who insist in following the Cult that is "evolution" here are yet more of the infinite flaws in the fairy tale. This is the side the evolutionist scientists of course don't tell you.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
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Anyway, about Creation, I'm going to hear, who I believe is the world's best Creationist preacher; John McCai. If anyone has any questions for me, post them on here and I'll try to get them asked.
Read the post again Cyclone, tried to understand it, I might of got there, I don't know.
How do you explain the prophecy that Israel would be a state in the very year of 1948?
How do you explain the prophecy that Israel would be a state in the very year of 1948?
Tallan wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Clean fun, is something like a feast, such as the Seven Year
> Marriage
> Feast of the Lamb (during the Tribulation) or a celebration like a
> wedding.
Reasonable drinking, was one thing I mentioned Tallan.
>
> Ok, I'll go with this. At my sisters wedding I had a great time, the
> bar was free and I got trolleyed with me mates.
>
> If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at
> anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not
> taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
>
> So no porn, binge drinking or coffee then?
> I'm going to hell. Three times over already.
>
> Can a clean person listen to rock music? Swear? Watch TV, movies,
> play video games?
If you want the Lord, you have to live a clean life and sacrifice the wordly pleasures.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Clean fun, is something like a feast, such as the Seven Year
> Marriage
> Feast of the Lamb (during the Tribulation) or a celebration like a
> wedding.
Reasonable drinking, was one thing I mentioned Tallan.
>
> Ok, I'll go with this. At my sisters wedding I had a great time, the
> bar was free and I got trolleyed with me mates.
>
> If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at
> anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not
> taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
>
> So no porn, binge drinking or coffee then?
> I'm going to hell. Three times over already.
>
> Can a clean person listen to rock music? Swear? Watch TV, movies,
> play video games?
If you want the Lord, you have to live a clean life and sacrifice the wordly pleasures.
Forest Fan wrote:
> > If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at
> anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not
> taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
Sounds to me like a life most people don't live, and yet are happy...
1) Please show me WHERE these 'things' are occuring. Link me to an article on CNN, Reuters, the BBC, anywhere, where one of these events is actually happening, with no possible doubt.
2) No, please read the thing. It does not go in circles. If you don't answer, one must presume you cannot..... Sorry, but that's the way it is.
> > If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at
> anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not
> taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
Sounds to me like a life most people don't live, and yet are happy...
1) Please show me WHERE these 'things' are occuring. Link me to an article on CNN, Reuters, the BBC, anywhere, where one of these events is actually happening, with no possible doubt.
2) No, please read the thing. It does not go in circles. If you don't answer, one must presume you cannot..... Sorry, but that's the way it is.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Clean fun, is something like a feast, such as the Seven Year Marriage
> Feast of the Lamb (during the Tribulation) or a celebration like a
> wedding.
Ok, I'll go with this. At my sisters wedding I had a great time, the bar was free and I got trolleyed with me mates.
> If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at
> anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not
> taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
So no porn, binge drinking or coffee then?
I'm going to hell. Three times over already.
Can a clean person listen to rock music? Swear? Watch TV, movies, play video games?
> Clean fun, is something like a feast, such as the Seven Year Marriage
> Feast of the Lamb (during the Tribulation) or a celebration like a
> wedding.
Ok, I'll go with this. At my sisters wedding I had a great time, the bar was free and I got trolleyed with me mates.
> If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at
> anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not
> taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
So no porn, binge drinking or coffee then?
I'm going to hell. Three times over already.
Can a clean person listen to rock music? Swear? Watch TV, movies, play video games?
Cyclone wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
> No.......
>
> It will happen and we can't stop it happening.
>
> Where now?
>
> Yes now and in the future.
>
> When and where are these things happening?!
>
> Some we are seeing happening now as we are in the End Times and some
> will come true in times to come.
>
> Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
>
> That will be Russia (Gog and Magog) and other countries when it fight
> Israel.
>
> 1) 'Other country'?
"Countries", my mistake
> 2) Where are the ones 'Now'?
Israel will have trouble keeping its land (as it does with terriosts) and the Mark of the Beast will be introduced, soon to come in the form of a microchip.
> 3) Please reply to my other post about the Bible not being proof...
Didn't have any REAL POINTS in it, just went in circles. If you have a specific point to make, please make one by all means.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
> No.......
>
> It will happen and we can't stop it happening.
>
> Where now?
>
> Yes now and in the future.
>
> When and where are these things happening?!
>
> Some we are seeing happening now as we are in the End Times and some
> will come true in times to come.
>
> Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
>
> That will be Russia (Gog and Magog) and other countries when it fight
> Israel.
>
> 1) 'Other country'?
"Countries", my mistake
> 2) Where are the ones 'Now'?
Israel will have trouble keeping its land (as it does with terriosts) and the Mark of the Beast will be introduced, soon to come in the form of a microchip.
> 3) Please reply to my other post about the Bible not being proof...
Didn't have any REAL POINTS in it, just went in circles. If you have a specific point to make, please make one by all means.
Tallan wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Fun, enjoying oneself, without indulging in WORDLY PLEASURES.
>
> Which means? Give me some examples of do's and don'ts.
>
> If you mean live a wordly life, I choose not to. I choose to keep
> myself clean before the Lord.
>
> I wont comment until you answer what constitutes clean fun.
Clean fun, is something like a feast, such as the Seven Year Marriage Feast of the Lamb (during the Tribulation) or a celebration like a wedding.
If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Fun, enjoying oneself, without indulging in WORDLY PLEASURES.
>
> Which means? Give me some examples of do's and don'ts.
>
> If you mean live a wordly life, I choose not to. I choose to keep
> myself clean before the Lord.
>
> I wont comment until you answer what constitutes clean fun.
Clean fun, is something like a feast, such as the Seven Year Marriage Feast of the Lamb (during the Tribulation) or a celebration like a wedding.
If you follow the Lord you want to keep your mind clean, not look at anything dirty, you want to respect your body, both sexually and not taking drugs, excessive alcohol etc.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
> No.......
>
> It will happen and we can't stop it happening.
>
> Where now?
>
> Yes now and in the future.
>
> When and where are these things happening?!
>
> Some we are seeing happening now as we are in the End Times and some
> will come true in times to come.
>
> Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
>
> That will be Russia (Gog and Magog) and other country when it fight
> Israel.
1) 'Other country'?
2) Where are the ones 'Now'?
3) Please reply to my other post about the Bible not being proof...
> Cyclone wrote:
> No.......
>
> It will happen and we can't stop it happening.
>
> Where now?
>
> Yes now and in the future.
>
> When and where are these things happening?!
>
> Some we are seeing happening now as we are in the End Times and some
> will come true in times to come.
>
> Where is the war with Gog and Moggy and co?
>
> That will be Russia (Gog and Magog) and other country when it fight
> Israel.
1) 'Other country'?
2) Where are the ones 'Now'?
3) Please reply to my other post about the Bible not being proof...
Forest Fan wrote:
> Fun, enjoying oneself, without indulging in WORDLY PLEASURES.
Which means? Give me some examples of do's and don'ts.
> If you mean live a wordly life, I choose not to. I choose to keep
> myself clean before the Lord.
I wont comment until you answer what constitutes clean fun.
> Fun, enjoying oneself, without indulging in WORDLY PLEASURES.
Which means? Give me some examples of do's and don'ts.
> If you mean live a wordly life, I choose not to. I choose to keep
> myself clean before the Lord.
I wont comment until you answer what constitutes clean fun.
Tallan wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Tallan wrote:
> What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of
> heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we
> should live our lives.
>
> And number 8) Having fun. Happy Tallan?
>
> And the biblical definition of having fun is?
Fun, enjoying oneself, without indulging in WORDLY PLEASURES.
>
> Eg what activities are open to you? Can you get drunk with your
> mates, go to live rock concerts or have casual sex with beautiful
> women?
If you mean live a wordly life, I choose not to. I choose to keep myself clean before the Lord.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Tallan wrote:
> What about having fun? You know, enjoying yourself. Your vision of
> heaven sounds very stale and boring. Much like how you preach we
> should live our lives.
>
> And number 8) Having fun. Happy Tallan?
>
> And the biblical definition of having fun is?
Fun, enjoying oneself, without indulging in WORDLY PLEASURES.
>
> Eg what activities are open to you? Can you get drunk with your
> mates, go to live rock concerts or have casual sex with beautiful
> women?
If you mean live a wordly life, I choose not to. I choose to keep myself clean before the Lord.
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