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I don't get it. All the fuss and furore over going to war in Iraq, so the American people are looking more and more likely to replace Bush with a candidate who's main selling point is that he is a...war hero!? I mean, come on, 2+2 equals how much?
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By the way, the thing about Kerry is he came back from Vietnam opposing war (much like all the vets did).
Does anybody else find it painful to watch interviews with George W. Bush? I really cringe in embarrasment, and he's not even my president. Saw him being interviewed by an American TV show last night.. he was posed this question.
Would you say this was a war of choice or a war of necessity?
Bush, obviously flustered went "uhh... that's an interesting question could you expand on that?" before realising the question was dead simple and choosing option (B).
The best one was when he was speaking about Pakistan and couldn't remember General Musharrafs name. The interviewer pressed him on it, I think he basically said "whats his name?" and Bush said "The General."
But yeah it's a strange country. The people have been more traumatised by a woman's right t!t than this whole war situation.
Would you say this was a war of choice or a war of necessity?
Bush, obviously flustered went "uhh... that's an interesting question could you expand on that?" before realising the question was dead simple and choosing option (B).
The best one was when he was speaking about Pakistan and couldn't remember General Musharrafs name. The interviewer pressed him on it, I think he basically said "whats his name?" and Bush said "The General."
But yeah it's a strange country. The people have been more traumatised by a woman's right t!t than this whole war situation.
Ineedsleep wrote:
> I thought the Americans lost the Vietnam war how can they commemorate
> it as a victory?
As I understand it all their military and tactics we worth nought against guys who were prepared to hide in a swamp for days on end in order to ambush any american troops who happened to come through that area.
After suffering very heavy losses due to the extreme jungle conditions and casualties of war the americans pulled out all their troops, covered the entire country with napalm, burnt it to the ground and declared victory.
> I thought the Americans lost the Vietnam war how can they commemorate
> it as a victory?
As I understand it all their military and tactics we worth nought against guys who were prepared to hide in a swamp for days on end in order to ambush any american troops who happened to come through that area.
After suffering very heavy losses due to the extreme jungle conditions and casualties of war the americans pulled out all their troops, covered the entire country with napalm, burnt it to the ground and declared victory.
monkey_man wrote:
> Yeah, the Vietnam vet. You don't need to have been in the military to
> know the reasons and consequences of combat. Vietnam was a deeply
> oppossed war, but it's celebrated and commemorated as a victory.
despite the fact that the Vietnamise were under-equipped and living in poverty and STILL managed to hold the Americans for many years.
maybe Rimmers theory on haircuts of war was correct:
"Perhaps you'd like to explain why it is that every major battle in history has been won by the side with the shortest hair cut. Think about it, why did the US Cavalry beat the Indian nation? Short back and sides verses girlie Hippy locks.
The Cavaliers and the Roundheads? One-nil to the Pudding basins
Vietnam, crew cuts both sides, no score draw."
> Yeah, the Vietnam vet. You don't need to have been in the military to
> know the reasons and consequences of combat. Vietnam was a deeply
> oppossed war, but it's celebrated and commemorated as a victory.
despite the fact that the Vietnamise were under-equipped and living in poverty and STILL managed to hold the Americans for many years.
maybe Rimmers theory on haircuts of war was correct:
"Perhaps you'd like to explain why it is that every major battle in history has been won by the side with the shortest hair cut. Think about it, why did the US Cavalry beat the Indian nation? Short back and sides verses girlie Hippy locks.
The Cavaliers and the Roundheads? One-nil to the Pudding basins
Vietnam, crew cuts both sides, no score draw."
Ineedsleep wrote:
> I thought the Americans lost the Vietnam war how can they commemorate
> it as a victory?
I always thought the general consensus was that they lost a lot of lives, but had a positive effect on the situation over there. It depends what reasons you can call a victory though. The Iraq situation was a hollow victory. There was no doubt the unmatched firepower of the American military would easily smash any opposition, but the amount of resistance and continued loss of life after the period of war ended echoes Vietnam.
The point I was making with my original post was that Bush was condemned for taking the country into a war, but he looks likely to be deposed by a war hero. Can't anyone see the irony in that?
> I thought the Americans lost the Vietnam war how can they commemorate
> it as a victory?
I always thought the general consensus was that they lost a lot of lives, but had a positive effect on the situation over there. It depends what reasons you can call a victory though. The Iraq situation was a hollow victory. There was no doubt the unmatched firepower of the American military would easily smash any opposition, but the amount of resistance and continued loss of life after the period of war ended echoes Vietnam.
The point I was making with my original post was that Bush was condemned for taking the country into a war, but he looks likely to be deposed by a war hero. Can't anyone see the irony in that?
Why should war experiance matter politically?
There is no explaining the systems.
There is no explaining the systems.
I thought the Americans lost the Vietnam war how can they commemorate it as a victory?
Yeah, the Vietnam vet. You don't need to have been in the military to know the reasons and consequences of combat. Vietnam was a deeply oppossed war, but it's celebrated and commemorated as a victory.
I didn't know that the Queen of he Jungle is a war hero,
or running for presidential election!
She is a busy girl, isn't she!
or running for presidential election!
She is a busy girl, isn't she!
Yes but a war hero will have first hand experience of the horrors of war and thus hopefully not so willingly drag America into yet another imperial venture. I presume your talking about Kerry, right?
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