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"If I'm having thorts about men does it mean i'm technically homosexual - that means you like gays"

Well????

> I am not saying that at all but don't underestimate the knowledge I
> have on this matter. Some people believe you are born gay, some
> people believe you become gay depending on your upbringing, childhood
> and so on and finally some people believe that you start life with no
> sexual preference what so ever and it is not until puberty that your
> body begins to change, you begin to mature physically, sexually and
> so on and it is then when you discover you're sexuality as it is
> defined by all these chemical changes.

I underestimate nothing, I am simply trying to observe in an unbiased fashion the reasons homosexuality has come about.

> You are assuming that the purpose of our race is to do nothing but
> increase in numbers. Many homosexual people contribute greatly to our
> society and have done over the past while many straight people have
> done nothing but squeeze out babies and collect benefits from
> society.

I am not saying gay people contribute nothing at all. What I am saying, is that at the most basic level, homosexuality does nothing to increase the worlds population, in fact it does the exact opposite. This is why I conjectured that perhaps it was natures way of stemming the human population. What homosexuals contribute to society is irrelevant, I am not here to judge people on those grounds, and that is not what this topic is about.

> Increasing the population is not an issue here especially
> when millions of gay people can contribute greatly to our society
> when many straight people can do nothing but leech from it.

Again, you are edging into controversial ground here, I am not suggesting that homosexuals have any less worth in society.

> It isn't being short sighted at all. Do you think medical research
> hasn't been conducted on this matter? There was a time when this was
> considered an illness and people tried everyone including electric
> shock treatment to try and cure this "disease". Medical
> studies show though that homosexuals are not different to normal
> human beings despite minor alterations in their brain chemistry which
> do not effect them in any significant way except for their sexual
> preference. It does not harm them, it is not a disease.

I didn't say it was a disease, I just said we shouldn't rule out 'foreign agents'. This could mean anything - change in environment, changes in atmosphere, irregularities in the parents blood, chemical deficiencies - who knows? Nobody knows, but you shouldn't just rule things out simply because you are offended by the idea. I am perfectly willing to accept any theory you put forward, but it is foolish to simply discount something because you don't like the idea of it.

> There have been signifcant studies on this matter and I don't claim
> to have read all of it but I am sure that if you read up on it you
> will be able to see the most likely causes of homosexuality.

Ok then, I'd be interested to hear the theory ....

ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> I think you misunderstand sexuality - it is what you are, not
> something you choose. You don't wake up one day and think
> "oooh, I think I'll be gay from now on".

I am not saying that at all but don't underestimate the knowledge I have on this matter. Some people believe you are born gay, some people believe you become gay depending on your upbringing, childhood and so on and finally some people believe that you start life with no sexual preference what so ever and it is not until puberty that your body begins to change, you begin to mature physically, sexually and so on and it is then when you discover you're sexuality as it is defined by all these chemical changes.

> I'm open minded about the whole thing, if you look at it logically,
> homosexuality has no purpose in the scheme of things. A race cannot
> increase in number as fast as it could normally if many of its number
> is homosexual.

You are assuming that the purpose of our race is to do nothing but increase in numbers. Many homosexual people contribute greatly to our society and have done over the past while many straight people have done nothing but squeeze out babies and collect benefits from society. Increasing the population is not an issue here especially when millions of gay people can contribute greatly to our society when many straight people can do nothing but leech from it.

> It could be a number of different things that cause
> it, and it would be short sighted to completely discount the
> intervention of foreign agents.

It isn't being short sighted at all. Do you think medical research hasn't been conducted on this matter? There was a time when this was considered an illness and people tried everyone including electric shock treatment to try and cure this "disease". Medical studies show though that homosexuals are not different to normal human beings despite minor alterations in their brain chemistry which do not effect them in any significant way except for their sexual preference. It does not harm them, it is not a disease.

> In another possibility, it could be
> natures way of stemming the population, we just don't know enough
> about the human genome, or the human brain, to make these kind of
> judgements.

There have been signifcant studies on this matter and I don't claim to have read all of it but I am sure that if you read up on it you will be able to see the most likely causes of homosexuality.

> Everybody is different and
> homosexuality is just another part of a persons individuality no
> different from wanting one pair of trousers over another.

I think you misunderstand sexuality - it is what you are, not something you choose. You don't wake up one day and think "oooh, I think I'll be gay from now on".

> It's all
> about individual preferences and just because they have a slightly
> different brain chemistry making them homosexual it is not as if that
> brain chemistry has been somehow altered by a virus or whatever.
> Saying such a thing is just stupid, I'm sorry but it is.

I'm open minded about the whole thing, if you look at it logically, homosexuality has no purpose in the scheme of things. A race cannot increase in number as fast as it could normally if many of its number is homosexual. It could be a number of different things that cause it, and it would be short sighted to completely discount the intervention of foreign agents. In another possibility, it could be natures way of stemming the population, we just don't know enough about the human genome, or the human brain, to make these kind of judgements.

I was just skimming through these posts and someone referred to gay people as being under the influence of an illness that makes them attracted to other men. This is utterly insane. Illnesses by definition harm the person who has them and this is simply not the case at all so already we can see that that argument doesn't hold water. Just because it is a different preference to the norm does not mean you are somehow sick to have it. Everybody is different and homosexuality is just another part of a persons individuality no different from wanting one pair of trousers over another. It's all about individual preferences and just because they have a slightly different brain chemistry making them homosexual it is not as if that brain chemistry has been somehow altered by a virus or whatever. Saying such a thing is just stupid, I'm sorry but it is.

Pfft typical straight attitude. We're all the result of a random genetic anomally millions of years old but because you can create other genetic beings being straight is somehow better. It makes no sense. The love felt between the two people is just the same in a gay relationship but because that love can spawn other genetic beings that may be gay anyway it's somehow better? Hmph your reasoning makes little sense.

ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> "God created Adam and Eve, he didn't create Adam and Steve"

Genius.

Pure fricking genius.

And yes, I am against the whole gay thing, its just not my kinda thing. If I knew a gay bloke I probs would have no probs communicating with him, its just I don't agree with the whole "aspect" of it...

Lol there's nothing wrong with being gay. I fact straight guys should be over the moon that there are gay guys in the world. It just means more women for them. If straight guys can just get over the fact that they are not all eye candy for gay guys then they'll have absolutely nothing to complain about.

Lol, where do you cme up with these?

"God created Adam and Eve, he didn't create Adam and Steve"

'I iz thorts of women'
Amazing that this thread is coming from someone who called the Gamecube 'gaycube'