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love is it a real spiritual thing or just a scientific trick to make us breed and look after our children.
my personal belief is that it is just a chemical thing,but i try to ignore this belief as firstly it reduces us to the level of animals and secondly i want to believe its possible.i dont think its a good idea to overanalyse these sort of questions as it reduces everything around us to science.
i am sorry if i have put these ideas into your head but im looking for some affirmation of the soul.
help me out.
im a big believer in science but sometimes i wish i wasnt.
my personal belief is that it is just a chemical thing,but i try to ignore this belief as firstly it reduces us to the level of animals and secondly i want to believe its possible.i dont think its a good idea to overanalyse these sort of questions as it reduces everything around us to science.
i am sorry if i have put these ideas into your head but im looking for some affirmation of the soul.
help me out.
im a big believer in science but sometimes i wish i wasnt.
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Chemically....
How on earth can love be scientific?
The drug you're looking for is ecstacy, unfortunately, it's illegal.
Kat wrote:
> I like to think that love is just science, and can therefore be
> controlled...
That would be so fantastic. A drug that could supress the emotion of love when it hurts too much. I hope it is possible. I've been looking into it recently and I've nearly concluded that the drug alcohol is not a particularly effective supressant. But I'm continuing the research...
> I like to think that love is just science, and can therefore be
> controlled...
That would be so fantastic. A drug that could supress the emotion of love when it hurts too much. I hope it is possible. I've been looking into it recently and I've nearly concluded that the drug alcohol is not a particularly effective supressant. But I'm continuing the research...
Ok, I'm so glad someone brought this up, cos I've been thinking about this subject quite a lot lately, and I've been looking into about 10 sub-sections of this question, so I have a lot of thoughts, and a lot of questions about this sort of thing!
It's all science really isn't it - what's 'real', we all act however we act due to chemicals telling us what to think and how to feel. BUT, the fact that we choose who we would be with makes it difficult to understand what attracts us to a certain person. There was a programme on about how we are attracted to people with a good immune system, and an immune system most like ours. Not sure if that's true, there's not enough evidence for me to believe it yet, but the idea got me doing some research on this subject, and there are lots of interesting facts to consider, too much to get into on a forum, and also all theory, none of it yet proved but intriguing.
If there was such a thing as love for a person, then how can you change from loving someone one month, to not loving them a few months later. I guess love is basically just really really liking someone and also fancying them.
I do agree that you pick someone like your mother/father, I think in partly, because it's something you know and feel comfortable with, and partly because, I think a lot of children try to get attention from their parents, and build up this image of them that is better than normal people, so when you meet someone that's like that person, you feel accepted, and feel like you are that interesting, it's just your dad/mum that couldn't see it, not your fault. Well, I think that works more with girls & dads and I could be talking rubbish, but that's what I have deduced from my life, so it could relate to others, or not at all!
I like to think that love is just science, and can therefore be controlled, cos it's just too painful otherwise if your love is unrequited.
Animals do choose partners for reasons and not just because they sense that they are ready to mate, and Bonobos (evolved from Chimps) all have sex with each other -straight or gay - it's no different to them, they enjoy having their 'areas' stimulated, it doesn't matter whether they're male or female.
I suppose the big question that seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom is: if we couldn't talk - would we still fall in love with the same people? That makes the difference.
It's all science really isn't it - what's 'real', we all act however we act due to chemicals telling us what to think and how to feel. BUT, the fact that we choose who we would be with makes it difficult to understand what attracts us to a certain person. There was a programme on about how we are attracted to people with a good immune system, and an immune system most like ours. Not sure if that's true, there's not enough evidence for me to believe it yet, but the idea got me doing some research on this subject, and there are lots of interesting facts to consider, too much to get into on a forum, and also all theory, none of it yet proved but intriguing.
If there was such a thing as love for a person, then how can you change from loving someone one month, to not loving them a few months later. I guess love is basically just really really liking someone and also fancying them.
I do agree that you pick someone like your mother/father, I think in partly, because it's something you know and feel comfortable with, and partly because, I think a lot of children try to get attention from their parents, and build up this image of them that is better than normal people, so when you meet someone that's like that person, you feel accepted, and feel like you are that interesting, it's just your dad/mum that couldn't see it, not your fault. Well, I think that works more with girls & dads and I could be talking rubbish, but that's what I have deduced from my life, so it could relate to others, or not at all!
I like to think that love is just science, and can therefore be controlled, cos it's just too painful otherwise if your love is unrequited.
Animals do choose partners for reasons and not just because they sense that they are ready to mate, and Bonobos (evolved from Chimps) all have sex with each other -straight or gay - it's no different to them, they enjoy having their 'areas' stimulated, it doesn't matter whether they're male or female.
I suppose the big question that seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom is: if we couldn't talk - would we still fall in love with the same people? That makes the difference.
Love is like a magic trick. Even though we know the magician is deceiving us, we still like to be believe there is more to it, that it's real magic.
pychological causality then.i didnt say love can be manipulated yet,but it is a chemical state triggered by pychological experience.the only free will you have is physical,you cant control your mind's natural process.
i hope this makes sense to you,bear in mind it is 3am.
i hope this makes sense to you,bear in mind it is 3am.
Flockhart wrote:
> my problem is that if if it just a chemical reaction im confident some
> scientist could come up the formula.
Way too complex.
You should read about the chaos theory.
Basically, science can predict the interaction between 3 particles, but when you get a fluid or gas with countless billions, working out the individual actions of each one is so complex and impractical that it's as effective as counting sands on a beach, grain by grain.
Instead, they look for overall patterns in the overall movement of the gas/liquid and can make educated, but never certain, predictions.
Free will can be seen likewise.
Sure, the base of it is controlled by chemical reactions in the brain, but there's so many countless billions of factors affecting our "will's" (and a famous part of the chaos theory is the butterfly effect - where a small action can cause a major recoil in the sceme of things) that it might as well be free will for all we can make of it.
> my problem is that if if it just a chemical reaction im confident some
> scientist could come up the formula.
Way too complex.
You should read about the chaos theory.
Basically, science can predict the interaction between 3 particles, but when you get a fluid or gas with countless billions, working out the individual actions of each one is so complex and impractical that it's as effective as counting sands on a beach, grain by grain.
Instead, they look for overall patterns in the overall movement of the gas/liquid and can make educated, but never certain, predictions.
Free will can be seen likewise.
Sure, the base of it is controlled by chemical reactions in the brain, but there's so many countless billions of factors affecting our "will's" (and a famous part of the chaos theory is the butterfly effect - where a small action can cause a major recoil in the sceme of things) that it might as well be free will for all we can make of it.
Notorious Biggles wrote:
> I have to say I think it is real. I spent a few minutes thinking about
> this one.
>
> If you take it to a scientific protect the species find the best
> mothers for your children level, it doesn't work. Because of the
> women I know, I know who has the best health, who would have the
> healthy genes to pass on. Yet, I'm not interested in her.
its not that simple and its not a choice you will consciencely make
>
> Freud's you want your mother theory falls apart when you look at my
> history. Most of my exes are more Briana Banks than my mother. Sure
> there are a few brunettes out there that I like, even a redhead. But
> none like my mother. That one is a real passion killer.
it doesnt have to be your mother,or to do with the colour of their hair,but a mixture fo all your experiences
>
> There is no pattern to those I fall for. Each is vastly different.
because you want something different to the last one,so you dont end up with another failed relationship.
>
> When I love someone it is a mental connection.
and its a mental connection because of your experiences,mentality leads to pychology,pychology leads to human nature,human nature leads to chemicals
>
> When I fancy someone it's big breats. That is just not love though. I
> don't want her to have my children and I don't want to wake up with
> her every morning for the rest of my life.
this partner for life theory goes against male human nature.
> I have to say I think it is real. I spent a few minutes thinking about
> this one.
>
> If you take it to a scientific protect the species find the best
> mothers for your children level, it doesn't work. Because of the
> women I know, I know who has the best health, who would have the
> healthy genes to pass on. Yet, I'm not interested in her.
its not that simple and its not a choice you will consciencely make
>
> Freud's you want your mother theory falls apart when you look at my
> history. Most of my exes are more Briana Banks than my mother. Sure
> there are a few brunettes out there that I like, even a redhead. But
> none like my mother. That one is a real passion killer.
it doesnt have to be your mother,or to do with the colour of their hair,but a mixture fo all your experiences
>
> There is no pattern to those I fall for. Each is vastly different.
because you want something different to the last one,so you dont end up with another failed relationship.
>
> When I love someone it is a mental connection.
and its a mental connection because of your experiences,mentality leads to pychology,pychology leads to human nature,human nature leads to chemicals
>
> When I fancy someone it's big breats. That is just not love though. I
> don't want her to have my children and I don't want to wake up with
> her every morning for the rest of my life.
this partner for life theory goes against male human nature.
H²O wrote:
> I think love is purely a mental thing.
>
> Physically, any female (apaart from the problems with birth blah
> blah) can give birth to your child. So that rules out the idea of
> animal nature. You dont see male badgers or something looking around
> for the best looking female badger. They see a female badger that is
> ready for impregnating and then they are chemically drawn to mate.
>
> If this was true about us. We would be going crazy over all the women
> who are ready for it.
> But no, we dont. So what is it? What is it that makes someone fancy
> or fall in love with that perticualar person.
we have created morality,not sleeping with every woman comes down to psychology and morality.you would if you could but you have been taught not to.i blame religion for this.psychology comes down to love and hate and experience of the two,saying that there has to be a trigger. you love your mum so you look for similar qualities in women,but what made you love your mum in the first place.the only answer i can think of is human nature,as a baby your comfort sets off chemicals at a base level and everything grows from there.
this is getting complicated,bloody frued,he should have got job as a binman instead of messing up my head with psychology
> So I think Love is real. Attraction is science.
yes love is real but in chemical form,how can you attribute love to spiritulity and attraction to science,arent they linked?
> I think love is purely a mental thing.
>
> Physically, any female (apaart from the problems with birth blah
> blah) can give birth to your child. So that rules out the idea of
> animal nature. You dont see male badgers or something looking around
> for the best looking female badger. They see a female badger that is
> ready for impregnating and then they are chemically drawn to mate.
>
> If this was true about us. We would be going crazy over all the women
> who are ready for it.
> But no, we dont. So what is it? What is it that makes someone fancy
> or fall in love with that perticualar person.
we have created morality,not sleeping with every woman comes down to psychology and morality.you would if you could but you have been taught not to.i blame religion for this.psychology comes down to love and hate and experience of the two,saying that there has to be a trigger. you love your mum so you look for similar qualities in women,but what made you love your mum in the first place.the only answer i can think of is human nature,as a baby your comfort sets off chemicals at a base level and everything grows from there.
this is getting complicated,bloody frued,he should have got job as a binman instead of messing up my head with psychology
> So I think Love is real. Attraction is science.
yes love is real but in chemical form,how can you attribute love to spiritulity and attraction to science,arent they linked?
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