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Okay, perhaps it sounds absurd, but think about it. The shape of womens athletics would change forever with new records being made in shorter spaces of time then ever before. But should this be allowed? Should a man be able to live as a "female" for two years and then be officially allowed to change his sex on his birth certificate? To be honest it could be a major problem to athletics if this is allowed to become wide spread.
People may brush it to the side and dismiss it as a ridiculous topic to even discuss but it is a problem which needs to be addressed. Who is right to say that men who have made the official switch (not necessarily actually having the operation) to become a female should not be allowed to compete in Athletics events such as the Olympics? I know I wouldn't want to be the person to do this and I am sure that no one else would want this job. Cross dressers/transvestites have/should have equal opportunities in todays society and not allowing them this option is effectively denying them this right.
Thats obviously all well and good if the competitor has honestly been living as a member of the other sex for reasons other than to compete in the opposite gender catagory, but there is also the other side. The side being, how low are people prepared to go? All it would take is for a World Class Male Athlete to live as a female for two years and you would be likely to see records being broken by quite a large margin. Would someone be willing to do this? Personally I'm not sure, but lets face the facts, this person would become THE face of Womens athletics, record breakers do not go unnoticed.
Lets put it this way, for example Paula Radcliffe won the last London Marathon in the women catagory, but if she was competing against the males then there would have been several people who could have beaten her. Fair? Definately not as she's trained to become what many would say, one of the greatest female long distance runners in history.
For any doubters, the evidence that this can happen is there. There has been at least 1 high profile occurance of this in athletics, and another in tennis. Should it be allowed to happen? In my opinion, no.
So whats your view on this? Allow it? Or disallow it?
People may brush it to the side and dismiss it as a ridiculous topic to even discuss but it is a problem which needs to be addressed. Who is right to say that men who have made the official switch (not necessarily actually having the operation) to become a female should not be allowed to compete in Athletics events such as the Olympics? I know I wouldn't want to be the person to do this and I am sure that no one else would want this job. Cross dressers/transvestites have/should have equal opportunities in todays society and not allowing them this option is effectively denying them this right.
Thats obviously all well and good if the competitor has honestly been living as a member of the other sex for reasons other than to compete in the opposite gender catagory, but there is also the other side. The side being, how low are people prepared to go? All it would take is for a World Class Male Athlete to live as a female for two years and you would be likely to see records being broken by quite a large margin. Would someone be willing to do this? Personally I'm not sure, but lets face the facts, this person would become THE face of Womens athletics, record breakers do not go unnoticed.
Lets put it this way, for example Paula Radcliffe won the last London Marathon in the women catagory, but if she was competing against the males then there would have been several people who could have beaten her. Fair? Definately not as she's trained to become what many would say, one of the greatest female long distance runners in history.
For any doubters, the evidence that this can happen is there. There has been at least 1 high profile occurance of this in athletics, and another in tennis. Should it be allowed to happen? In my opinion, no.
So whats your view on this? Allow it? Or disallow it?
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Heh, to be fair it is a weird subject to talk about on a chat forum, but I thought it would be a nice come back post for me to get the ol' brain working again. Been a long time since I attempted to sound intellectual online :)
Most people just don't have our mental capibility, MJ.
*looks at Borat*
:)
*looks at Borat*
:)
No one else with any views on this? Shame :(
RoJ wrote:
> Slow reply due to being slow.
that's ok.
:D
> Slow reply due to being slow.
that's ok.
:D
RoJ wrote:
> MJ wrote:
> Slow reply as I am very ill
Sucks :<
> Well, wouldn't normal heterosexuals feel restricted and cheated if
> say, a womans 100m sprint was won by a transexual man after his sex
> change? Wouldn't that be unfair?
Well yes and this is why I have such a strange view on this currently. I can see this from both sides and although I said I do not believe it should happen, I keep reading things that change my mind.
> I feel that if transexuals are allowed to
> compete, then it will over complicate the whole Olmpics, and push the
> entire thing into ultra polictical correctness.
Probably the most important point this. If a line isn't drawn then what will happen? You're definately helping to reinforce my "no" decision :P
> Thats the way I am, I have very strong feelings on this subject.
Fair enough, I like that :)
> MJ wrote:
> Slow reply as I am very ill
Sucks :<
> Well, wouldn't normal heterosexuals feel restricted and cheated if
> say, a womans 100m sprint was won by a transexual man after his sex
> change? Wouldn't that be unfair?
Well yes and this is why I have such a strange view on this currently. I can see this from both sides and although I said I do not believe it should happen, I keep reading things that change my mind.
> I feel that if transexuals are allowed to
> compete, then it will over complicate the whole Olmpics, and push the
> entire thing into ultra polictical correctness.
Probably the most important point this. If a line isn't drawn then what will happen? You're definately helping to reinforce my "no" decision :P
> Thats the way I am, I have very strong feelings on this subject.
Fair enough, I like that :)
MJ wrote:
>
> Slow reply due to being at my girlfriends most of the weekend, but
> I'm glad to see some views.
Slow reply as I am very ill, fever (103, sore throat, blocked head etc.
>
> Basically you're telling me that you dont believe transexuals should
> be allowed to compete in the olympics etc. But lets put it this way,
> if you've become a female, down to reasons other than to cheat other
> competitors out of medals, and were then turned down wouldn't you
> feel as if you were being restricted in your rights? People go on
> about how everyone should be equal, whites, blacks, asians, males,
> females etc. Why not transexuals?
Well, wouldn't normal heterosexuals feel restricted and cheated if say, a womans 100m sprint was won by a transexual man after his sex change? Wouldn't that be unfair?
Ok, they're physically different
> but to be honest, is that they're fault? Obviously to some extent yes
> as its their choice, but if they genuinely feel that they should of
> been born to another sex then shouldn't they be allowed equslity.
Yes, they shouldn't be discriminated against, but should they really be allowed to compete? I feel that if transexuals are allowed to compete, then it will over complicate the whole Olmpics, and push the entire thing into ultra polictical correctness.
>
> As I said, I dont really agree with this, but I dont understand how
> your views can be so conscise as to just say no.
Thats the way I am, I have very strong feelings on this subject.
>
> Slow reply due to being at my girlfriends most of the weekend, but
> I'm glad to see some views.
Slow reply as I am very ill, fever (103, sore throat, blocked head etc.
>
> Basically you're telling me that you dont believe transexuals should
> be allowed to compete in the olympics etc. But lets put it this way,
> if you've become a female, down to reasons other than to cheat other
> competitors out of medals, and were then turned down wouldn't you
> feel as if you were being restricted in your rights? People go on
> about how everyone should be equal, whites, blacks, asians, males,
> females etc. Why not transexuals?
Well, wouldn't normal heterosexuals feel restricted and cheated if say, a womans 100m sprint was won by a transexual man after his sex change? Wouldn't that be unfair?
Ok, they're physically different
> but to be honest, is that they're fault? Obviously to some extent yes
> as its their choice, but if they genuinely feel that they should of
> been born to another sex then shouldn't they be allowed equslity.
Yes, they shouldn't be discriminated against, but should they really be allowed to compete? I feel that if transexuals are allowed to compete, then it will over complicate the whole Olmpics, and push the entire thing into ultra polictical correctness.
>
> As I said, I dont really agree with this, but I dont understand how
> your views can be so conscise as to just say no.
Thats the way I am, I have very strong feelings on this subject.
ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> Issues like this make me realise just how rapidly the world is
> changing. Some may write it off and say "The world's gone
> mad", I don't, I just think it is changing so rapidly we all
> have trouble keeping up.
Very good point this in my opinion, I was prompted to write this after reading an article on the subject and my first reaction was definately more along the lines of "the worlds gone mad" than anything else. Its a hard subject to give a clear cut decision on if only for the equality arguement.
> Issues like this make me realise just how rapidly the world is
> changing. Some may write it off and say "The world's gone
> mad", I don't, I just think it is changing so rapidly we all
> have trouble keeping up.
Very good point this in my opinion, I was prompted to write this after reading an article on the subject and my first reaction was definately more along the lines of "the worlds gone mad" than anything else. Its a hard subject to give a clear cut decision on if only for the equality arguement.
It's hard for me not to be prejudiced, it really is.
I've nothing against Homosexuality at all, I respect their way of life as long as it isn't forced upon me (so to speak).
But I just cannot understand transexuality, it happens in nature only as a matter of necessity. Why people need to do it I have no idea, but that's something I'll probably never understand (nor do I want to).
But as for the subject of the olympics - if you were born a man, you should ONLY be able to compete as a man. Your body is a mans body - it has spent all these years growing the skeletal and muscular characteristics of a male, not a woman. So you ARE a man. Just having female reproductive organs is not enough to classify you as a woman.
Issues like this make me realise just how rapidly the world is changing. Some may write it off and say "The world's gone mad", I don't, I just think it is changing so rapidly we all have trouble keeping up.
I've nothing against Homosexuality at all, I respect their way of life as long as it isn't forced upon me (so to speak).
But I just cannot understand transexuality, it happens in nature only as a matter of necessity. Why people need to do it I have no idea, but that's something I'll probably never understand (nor do I want to).
But as for the subject of the olympics - if you were born a man, you should ONLY be able to compete as a man. Your body is a mans body - it has spent all these years growing the skeletal and muscular characteristics of a male, not a woman. So you ARE a man. Just having female reproductive organs is not enough to classify you as a woman.
Issues like this make me realise just how rapidly the world is changing. Some may write it off and say "The world's gone mad", I don't, I just think it is changing so rapidly we all have trouble keeping up.
RoJ wrote:
> Absolutely not. I was going to make a post about this, but obviously
> didn't. It would be absolutely ludicrous. Transsexuals should still
> be banned from the Olympics.
Slow reply due to being at my girlfriends most of the weekend, but I'm glad to see some views.
Basically you're telling me that you dont believe transexuals should be allowed to compete in the olympics etc. But lets put it this way, if you've become a female, down to reasons other than to cheat other competitors out of medals, and were then turned down wouldn't you feel as if you were being restricted in your rights? People go on about how everyone should be equal, whites, blacks, asians, males, females etc. Why not transexuals? Ok, they're physically different but to be honest, is that they're fault? Obviously to some extent yes as its their choice, but if they genuinely feel that they should of been born to another sex then shouldn't they be allowed equslity.
As I said, I dont really agree with this, but I dont understand how your views can be so conscise as to just say no.
> Absolutely not. I was going to make a post about this, but obviously
> didn't. It would be absolutely ludicrous. Transsexuals should still
> be banned from the Olympics.
Slow reply due to being at my girlfriends most of the weekend, but I'm glad to see some views.
Basically you're telling me that you dont believe transexuals should be allowed to compete in the olympics etc. But lets put it this way, if you've become a female, down to reasons other than to cheat other competitors out of medals, and were then turned down wouldn't you feel as if you were being restricted in your rights? People go on about how everyone should be equal, whites, blacks, asians, males, females etc. Why not transexuals? Ok, they're physically different but to be honest, is that they're fault? Obviously to some extent yes as its their choice, but if they genuinely feel that they should of been born to another sex then shouldn't they be allowed equslity.
As I said, I dont really agree with this, but I dont understand how your views can be so conscise as to just say no.
Nah, it should be "birth women not on steroids" only.
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