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Thu 08/01/04 at 12:27
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How many people here believe in God?

If you do, can you also explain what kind of entity you see God as.

Personally I am an atheist, but I like to hear religous people's views.
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:43
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I was talking to Pandaemonium there. But I suppose it also applies to your questions.

If he was omnipotent then he would know everything and be all powerful. So the question of how did he know how to create stuff wouldn't really be valid as he would have invented "stuff".

As for born, once again you have to think outside of the constraints of time. As humans we have a beginning and an end, as does everything else in our universe. But something outside of that universe wouldn't be restricted to those laws of time.
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:43
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Sally_UK wrote:
> Why did God bother to create a big bang, why didn't he just create
> what he wanted.

Freedom of choice? Perhaps we are nothing more than rats in Gods lab. Perhaps we are nothing AT ALL in the grand scheme of the universe.

Perhaps there is nothing after death, ever think of that?

The only way anybody will find out is once they die, and an afterlife is proven. If there is no afterlife, you'll never know.

Comforting thought eh?
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:39
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Yeah, I'm not sure about that one.
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:38
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Geffdof wrote:

> I do chemistry and biology A-level and read a lot about science but
> believing in God and science are not 2 seperate things.
> I just believe that God made that bang rather than the bang just
> happening.

Why did God bother to create a big bang, why didn't he just create what he wanted. After the big bang, did science then take over, or did he carry on doing stuff? How did he know how to create stuff and why so many different elements? Was he born? So many questions...
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:35
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Notorious Biggles wrote:
> One of the things that I learnt at uni was that of the 4 dimensions,
> time is the only one using real numbers on its axis. The other 3 (the
> spacial axis) all use complex numbers on their axis.
>
> So it is all 3 "normal" dimensions which are human
> inventions.
>
> I also remember seeing the whole lecture theatre stare in disbelief.

But they are describing the forces involved in black holes to 11 dimensions now, and supposedly the maths are holding up. I'm getting out of my depth here, and my head is hurting, so I'm going to stop.
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:35
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Sally_UK wrote:
> Pandaemonium wrote:
> Sally_UK wrote:
> What/who created God then?
>
> If you believe in that sort of thing, why should God have had to be
> created? Why not an entity that has existed always and always will?
>
> If you think that way then you don't get to ponder the wonder that is
> the big universe questions. Theories weren't made with that kind of
> thinking...tut tut.

I believe in God. It doesn't mean I can't wonder about the universe. The way it all works is still interesting enough. Not to mention the fact that there is so much of the universe that we don't even know about yet.
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:35
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cookie monster wrote:

>
> But how could god make the big bang? as before the big bang occured
> there was nothing.

Its hard to get your head around. You need to realise that God was never created, he's just always been there but not for a set lenght of time or in a particular place because time and space didnt exist. He is outside of the universe so to speak.
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:34
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Geffdof wrote:
> Well time is relative. It doesnt just keep going at a constant rate
> the way most people think it does, but i dont fully understant this
> myself so i'll just stop now.

The theory of tachyon's?

I don't fully understand these so I'll stop now. I'm just trying to point out that we do not know everything there is to know about our universe.

What would happen if someone discovered something that turned our current way of thinking about physics completely on its head?

Scary thought......
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:33
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One of the things that I learnt at uni was that of the 4 dimensions, time is the only one using real numbers on its axis. The other 3 (the spacial axis) all use complex numbers on their axis.

So it is all 3 "normal" dimensions which are human inventions.

I also remember seeing the whole lecture theatre stare in disbelief.
Thu 08/01/04 at 15:33
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Pandaemonium wrote:
> Sally_UK wrote:
> What/who created God then?
>
> If you believe in that sort of thing, why should God have had to be
> created? Why not an entity that has existed always and always will?

If you think that way then you don't get to ponder the wonder that is the big universe questions. Theories weren't made with that kind of thinking...tut tut.

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