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How many people here believe in God?
If you do, can you also explain what kind of entity you see God as.
Personally I am an atheist, but I like to hear religous people's views.
If you do, can you also explain what kind of entity you see God as.
Personally I am an atheist, but I like to hear religous people's views.
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English_Bloke wrote:
> Sally_UK wrote:
> Debating rocks!
>
> Heh, you sound like some head teacher trying to get the kids
> interested in extracurricular activities.
Damn, cover blown...
> Sally_UK wrote:
> Debating rocks!
>
> Heh, you sound like some head teacher trying to get the kids
> interested in extracurricular activities.
Damn, cover blown...
English_Bloke wrote:
> Sally_UK wrote:
> What evidence is there that there is a God?
>
> Absolutely none. But Christians will believe that this is more then
> enough. Proof is not required because they truly believe. Too early
> to be thinking of something like this.
It's never too early to debate! Get those old brain cells working.
> Sally_UK wrote:
> What evidence is there that there is a God?
>
> Absolutely none. But Christians will believe that this is more then
> enough. Proof is not required because they truly believe. Too early
> to be thinking of something like this.
It's never too early to debate! Get those old brain cells working.
Sally_UK wrote:
> Debating rocks!
Heh, you sound like some head teacher trying to get the kids interested in extracurricular activities.
> Debating rocks!
Heh, you sound like some head teacher trying to get the kids interested in extracurricular activities.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Well, along those lines anyway, suggesting that the universe had to
> exist before "God" manifested itself (I refuse to think a
> force of this power, if it exists is limited to being either a male
> or female sex.)
>
> What I was suggesting is that there may be more than "our"
> physical universe, and this mythical force is outside the scope and
> limitations of our understanding.
>
> As I've mentioned before, humans will try to rationalise and
> understand anything and everything, it is our nature, and if we
> cannot understand or rationalise, we will try our hardest to do so.
> You are correct in stating that the church has limited this enquiring
> mind in the past, (hell, the world was flat according to the church,
> and the sun revolved around the earth) but as time continues on and
> more and more understanding of our environment and the fabric of the
> universe is understood, who can say that we will not find something
> that simply *cannot* be rationalised by any other means, even if we
> think we have all the information and variables (infinite though they
> may be) correct.
>
> Would this not be what we have labelled in our simple way “God?”
I agree with you, just knowing that we don't understand how something can not have a beginning or an end, or that space can be infinite proves how little we know and how little we can comprehend, we are specks in an ocean of matter. BUT this just fuels my passion for science even more, the way you have described this 'entity' I understand, but I don't agree that there needs to be something there causing anything else to happens, that can't be explained scientifically (one day). We've already figured out from our tiny part of the universe how things happen, by recreating situations, we can see how life was created and how DNA first came about, if you believe this was created by an entity (I know that's not what you think) and not science, then you're basically saying you don't believe the scientists - that they are lying to you! (again, I know you don't feel this way)
How the chemicals came to be here in the first place, we'll never know, what is outside the universe we will never know, and how something can exist that was either created from nothing, or always here, we will never be able to comprehend, because in our world, things start and stop, and have boundaries. It's amazing, but it doesn't need a special force to make it so, it's just a whole different set of scientific rules that are completely different to ours. Already we have discovered Quantum mechanics where the laws are different. Years ago, if you saw a ball disappear out of the universe, you would think it was a magical force, now we have some sort of scientific basis to work on that seems pretty tight.
I think the entity you were talking about is something different, it's not 'God'. You believe in something different to God - God, depending on your religion, is usually in 'man-form' and speaks to us all, and listens and watches and judges, if you pray to God, he must understand what you are asking (therefore he speaks your language) otherwise he would just 'know' your thoughts (which he should do anyway). THAT is what I find ridiculous - religion. I've never been religious and I've never killed anyone or been a 'terrible person', everyone has their own set of morals and religion doesn't change that.
I have friends that believe in God, but don't question it because it's easier to just accept it, so they will probably go through their whole life never being interested in the creation/evolution of anything that exists within the universe.
So in conclusion: Entity - cool. God - crap.
This has been a great thread though, I love hearing other people's opinions on God & the universe, it's something that really interests me, and I think you all have opened my eyes that little bit more. Debating rocks!
> Well, along those lines anyway, suggesting that the universe had to
> exist before "God" manifested itself (I refuse to think a
> force of this power, if it exists is limited to being either a male
> or female sex.)
>
> What I was suggesting is that there may be more than "our"
> physical universe, and this mythical force is outside the scope and
> limitations of our understanding.
>
> As I've mentioned before, humans will try to rationalise and
> understand anything and everything, it is our nature, and if we
> cannot understand or rationalise, we will try our hardest to do so.
> You are correct in stating that the church has limited this enquiring
> mind in the past, (hell, the world was flat according to the church,
> and the sun revolved around the earth) but as time continues on and
> more and more understanding of our environment and the fabric of the
> universe is understood, who can say that we will not find something
> that simply *cannot* be rationalised by any other means, even if we
> think we have all the information and variables (infinite though they
> may be) correct.
>
> Would this not be what we have labelled in our simple way “God?”
I agree with you, just knowing that we don't understand how something can not have a beginning or an end, or that space can be infinite proves how little we know and how little we can comprehend, we are specks in an ocean of matter. BUT this just fuels my passion for science even more, the way you have described this 'entity' I understand, but I don't agree that there needs to be something there causing anything else to happens, that can't be explained scientifically (one day). We've already figured out from our tiny part of the universe how things happen, by recreating situations, we can see how life was created and how DNA first came about, if you believe this was created by an entity (I know that's not what you think) and not science, then you're basically saying you don't believe the scientists - that they are lying to you! (again, I know you don't feel this way)
How the chemicals came to be here in the first place, we'll never know, what is outside the universe we will never know, and how something can exist that was either created from nothing, or always here, we will never be able to comprehend, because in our world, things start and stop, and have boundaries. It's amazing, but it doesn't need a special force to make it so, it's just a whole different set of scientific rules that are completely different to ours. Already we have discovered Quantum mechanics where the laws are different. Years ago, if you saw a ball disappear out of the universe, you would think it was a magical force, now we have some sort of scientific basis to work on that seems pretty tight.
I think the entity you were talking about is something different, it's not 'God'. You believe in something different to God - God, depending on your religion, is usually in 'man-form' and speaks to us all, and listens and watches and judges, if you pray to God, he must understand what you are asking (therefore he speaks your language) otherwise he would just 'know' your thoughts (which he should do anyway). THAT is what I find ridiculous - religion. I've never been religious and I've never killed anyone or been a 'terrible person', everyone has their own set of morals and religion doesn't change that.
I have friends that believe in God, but don't question it because it's easier to just accept it, so they will probably go through their whole life never being interested in the creation/evolution of anything that exists within the universe.
So in conclusion: Entity - cool. God - crap.
This has been a great thread though, I love hearing other people's opinions on God & the universe, it's something that really interests me, and I think you all have opened my eyes that little bit more. Debating rocks!
Sally_UK wrote:
> What evidence is there that there is a God?
Absolutely none. But Christians will believe that this is more then enough. Proof is not required because they truly believe. Too early to be thinking of something like this.
> What evidence is there that there is a God?
Absolutely none. But Christians will believe that this is more then enough. Proof is not required because they truly believe. Too early to be thinking of something like this.
Geffdof wrote:
> But do u see coincidences as coincidenses or as signs from God?
> Scientific theories about comets and stuff often have more holes in
> than a swiss cheese. they are sometimes started as attempts to
> dissprove God by proving we came about another way.
> But who knows eh?
> I have my beliefs but i cant force them onto others.
>
Our scientific theories may not be concrete and there may be holes, which are continually being filled as we learn more, but we have far more information and proof about these theories. What evidence is there that there is a God?
> But do u see coincidences as coincidenses or as signs from God?
> Scientific theories about comets and stuff often have more holes in
> than a swiss cheese. they are sometimes started as attempts to
> dissprove God by proving we came about another way.
> But who knows eh?
> I have my beliefs but i cant force them onto others.
>
Our scientific theories may not be concrete and there may be holes, which are continually being filled as we learn more, but we have far more information and proof about these theories. What evidence is there that there is a God?
Sally_UK wrote:
> Because it's too easy otherwise, we wouldn't be where we are today if
> people didn't ask questions and strive to find out more about why
> something is the way it is. Actually we would be even more advanced
> if religion hadn't fettered our progress by condemning anyone that
> dared to speak out against the church and actually believe 'God'
> might be wrong.
>
> What benefit is God? I can't see how things change by believing in
> God, what difference does it make to the universe?
I agree with you. Personally, I don't believe in "God", but do think there is some underlying force at work in the universe. For the purposes of argument though, I was suggesting an entity of force that is beyond our scope and comprehension.
An argument that has reared its head in this thread is: -
"Did God create the universe"
"yes"
"well, God can't exist because there was nothing before the big bang"
Well, along those lines anyway, suggesting that the universe had to exist before "God" manifested itself (I refuse to think a force of this power, if it exists is limited to being either a male or female sex.)
What I was suggesting is that there may be more than "our" physical universe, and this mythical force is outside the scope and limitations of our understanding.
As I've mentioned before, humans will try to rationalise and understand anything and everything, it is our nature, and if we cannot understand or rationalise, we will try our hardest to do so. You are correct in stating that the church has limited this enquiring mind in the past, (hell, the world was flat according to the church, and the sun revolved around the earth) but as time continues on and more and more understanding of our environment and the fabric of the universe is understood, who can say that we will not find something that simply *cannot* be rationalised by any other means, even if we think we have all the information and variables (infinite though they may be) correct.
Would this not be what we have labelled in our simple way “God?”
> Because it's too easy otherwise, we wouldn't be where we are today if
> people didn't ask questions and strive to find out more about why
> something is the way it is. Actually we would be even more advanced
> if religion hadn't fettered our progress by condemning anyone that
> dared to speak out against the church and actually believe 'God'
> might be wrong.
>
> What benefit is God? I can't see how things change by believing in
> God, what difference does it make to the universe?
I agree with you. Personally, I don't believe in "God", but do think there is some underlying force at work in the universe. For the purposes of argument though, I was suggesting an entity of force that is beyond our scope and comprehension.
An argument that has reared its head in this thread is: -
"Did God create the universe"
"yes"
"well, God can't exist because there was nothing before the big bang"
Well, along those lines anyway, suggesting that the universe had to exist before "God" manifested itself (I refuse to think a force of this power, if it exists is limited to being either a male or female sex.)
What I was suggesting is that there may be more than "our" physical universe, and this mythical force is outside the scope and limitations of our understanding.
As I've mentioned before, humans will try to rationalise and understand anything and everything, it is our nature, and if we cannot understand or rationalise, we will try our hardest to do so. You are correct in stating that the church has limited this enquiring mind in the past, (hell, the world was flat according to the church, and the sun revolved around the earth) but as time continues on and more and more understanding of our environment and the fabric of the universe is understood, who can say that we will not find something that simply *cannot* be rationalised by any other means, even if we think we have all the information and variables (infinite though they may be) correct.
Would this not be what we have labelled in our simple way “God?”
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Sally_UK wrote:
> What/who created God then?
>
> If you believe in that sort of thing, why should God have had to be
> created? Why not an entity that has existed always and always will?
Because it's too easy otherwise, we wouldn't be where we are today if people didn't ask questions and strive to find out more about why something is the way it is. Actually we would be even more advanced if religion hadn't fettered our progress by condemning anyone that dared to speak out against the church and actually believe 'God' might be wrong.
What benefit is God? I can't see how things change by believing in God, what difference does it make to the universe?
> Sally_UK wrote:
> What/who created God then?
>
> If you believe in that sort of thing, why should God have had to be
> created? Why not an entity that has existed always and always will?
Because it's too easy otherwise, we wouldn't be where we are today if people didn't ask questions and strive to find out more about why something is the way it is. Actually we would be even more advanced if religion hadn't fettered our progress by condemning anyone that dared to speak out against the church and actually believe 'God' might be wrong.
What benefit is God? I can't see how things change by believing in God, what difference does it make to the universe?
God wrote:
> On a serious note.
>
> The bible was written as a moral code, things such as the garden of
> Eden, Adam and Eve, just couldn't have sprang up from nowhere or been
> placed. We evolved from apes, there is plently of scientific evidence
> for that.
>
> We should live by the bible, koran etc, not be controlled by it.
... There is not enough scientific evidence for evolution it is a theory still and I think that it is being taught as fact. Most of my science teachers stated they do not believe in Evolution and that it is still indeed a theory.
I do not believe we came from dirt and never will. The big bang theory to me just doesnt work. It is very hard to believe something that does not fit in with the common perseption in these days but I still look around me and will not conform to the general idea of scientists. They have been wrong before and can be wrong again.
These are just my views and beliefs. Just when I take a long long think about how everything works like clockwork and how amazing and unique every thing about the earth and body is - it is far to intricate to have emerged from a bang .. i think! :)
> On a serious note.
>
> The bible was written as a moral code, things such as the garden of
> Eden, Adam and Eve, just couldn't have sprang up from nowhere or been
> placed. We evolved from apes, there is plently of scientific evidence
> for that.
>
> We should live by the bible, koran etc, not be controlled by it.
... There is not enough scientific evidence for evolution it is a theory still and I think that it is being taught as fact. Most of my science teachers stated they do not believe in Evolution and that it is still indeed a theory.
I do not believe we came from dirt and never will. The big bang theory to me just doesnt work. It is very hard to believe something that does not fit in with the common perseption in these days but I still look around me and will not conform to the general idea of scientists. They have been wrong before and can be wrong again.
These are just my views and beliefs. Just when I take a long long think about how everything works like clockwork and how amazing and unique every thing about the earth and body is - it is far to intricate to have emerged from a bang .. i think! :)
Personally, I believe in...well, something. But I don't believe that whatever It is has any real relevance in my day to day life. If whatever It is wanted us to follow a specific set of rules, damn sure It would have been a lot clearer as to what those rules are.
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