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Apparently so. Both Bush and Blair are comfirming it but I only just heard the news so I don't know any of the details. If you have any further news or any thoughts on the subject please post them here, thanks.
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Urusei Yatsura wrote:
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
>
> :P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my
> influence lives on...
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Shut up, stop watching cartoons and make some friends that aren't
(a) Younger than you and also love cartoons
(b) Stupid so they listen to your ignorant, retarded thoughts.
Merry Xmas Handshandy.
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
>
> :P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my
> influence lives on...
----
Shut up, stop watching cartoons and make some friends that aren't
(a) Younger than you and also love cartoons
(b) Stupid so they listen to your ignorant, retarded thoughts.
Merry Xmas Handshandy.
unknown kernel wrote:
> named after some manga thing
*some manga thing*
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> named after some manga thing
*some manga thing*
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Urusei Yatsura wrote:
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
>
> :P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my
> influence lives on...
How dare you defile the name of the most awesome cartoon series ever with such stupidity.
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
>
> :P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my
> influence lives on...
How dare you defile the name of the most awesome cartoon series ever with such stupidity.
Urusei Yatsura wrote:
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
I used to quite like a band called Urusei Yatsura, but they were named after some manga thing, like you I presume.
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
I used to quite like a band called Urusei Yatsura, but they were named after some manga thing, like you I presume.
Skarra wrote:
> As i said, i'd rather be lied to and see a nation be
> free, that be told the truth and leave them to Saddam's will.
The way I look at it is this: our current system allows politicians to wield enormous power under the direction of the people. Supposedly the decisions taken by Blair are our wishes, filtered through him. (Anything else would surely be an elected dictatorship.) But we can only make sensible choices if we have the facts, and certainly not when we are told barefaced lies. We went to war over WMDs: that is what we were told time and again. When the government released its dossier, even I found myself thinking 'hmm, maybe this is more urgent than I thought, maybe we SHOULD do something': and that despite my long history of treating anything that politicians say with scepticism. That dossier turned to be utter, utter rubbish. Blair is either a liar or incompetent: either way he should resign.
It's not up to the government to decide what the people can be trusted to know, just so that the 'right' decision gets taken. If you give governments the right to lie over war, then where do draw the line? Gordon Brown allowed to make up fantastic economic statistics because a Tory government would reinstate fox-hunting?
> As i said, i'd rather be lied to and see a nation be
> free, that be told the truth and leave them to Saddam's will.
The way I look at it is this: our current system allows politicians to wield enormous power under the direction of the people. Supposedly the decisions taken by Blair are our wishes, filtered through him. (Anything else would surely be an elected dictatorship.) But we can only make sensible choices if we have the facts, and certainly not when we are told barefaced lies. We went to war over WMDs: that is what we were told time and again. When the government released its dossier, even I found myself thinking 'hmm, maybe this is more urgent than I thought, maybe we SHOULD do something': and that despite my long history of treating anything that politicians say with scepticism. That dossier turned to be utter, utter rubbish. Blair is either a liar or incompetent: either way he should resign.
It's not up to the government to decide what the people can be trusted to know, just so that the 'right' decision gets taken. If you give governments the right to lie over war, then where do draw the line? Gordon Brown allowed to make up fantastic economic statistics because a Tory government would reinstate fox-hunting?
Urusei Yatsura wrote:
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
>
> :P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my
> influence lives on...
Erm...you're happy at being thought of as a childish moron? Cos that's the extent of your 'influence'. I'm with Blank on this one, but I'll add that you must have a truly empty life if you get stoked at being laughed at.
> Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
>
> :P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my
> influence lives on...
Erm...you're happy at being thought of as a childish moron? Cos that's the extent of your 'influence'. I'm with Blank on this one, but I'll add that you must have a truly empty life if you get stoked at being laughed at.
You sad, sad man Belldandy.
Anti-War = We Love Saddam Brigade
:P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my influence lives on...
:P Merry Christmas, nice to know from a quick look around that my influence lives on...
Goatboy wrote:
> I repeat:
> Anti-war does not mean pro-Saddam.
> If you think it does, then you are beyond thick.
> Nobody here, at any point, has ever supported Hussein.
> Opposed to the invasion, yes.
> You cannot stand there and realistically expect those with questions
> as to WMD, reasons offered for war etc to simply stop asking
> questions because a puppet dictator has been captured, shortly to be
> put on trial for crimes committed with our full consent and
> compliance.
Sums up what I've been trying to say on this subject to numerous people, both inside and out of these forums.
> I repeat:
> Anti-war does not mean pro-Saddam.
> If you think it does, then you are beyond thick.
> Nobody here, at any point, has ever supported Hussein.
> Opposed to the invasion, yes.
> You cannot stand there and realistically expect those with questions
> as to WMD, reasons offered for war etc to simply stop asking
> questions because a puppet dictator has been captured, shortly to be
> put on trial for crimes committed with our full consent and
> compliance.
Sums up what I've been trying to say on this subject to numerous people, both inside and out of these forums.
I agree with Light, and points he's raised here have been raised previously by himself, myself and others on these forums. Bush would not have entered Iraq out of the goodness of his heart. There has to be something in it for him, or else why would he bother? Whichever way you look at it, we were lied to to cover up the selfish reasons for war, not to gain public support in order to perform a charitable act.
And don't forget, the US will play an extremely large part in whatever ends up as the ruling government/dictator/party/whatever in Iraq. And if/when they turn bad, and we want more of what they've got, this'll happen all over again.
My anger on this has turned into bemusement, that a) it has actually happened and been allowed to happen, and b) that there are some people around on the side of Bush. I can't put into words my astonishment at the whole year past.
And what makes matters even worse is that the whole Saddam trial/execution/celebrations of capturing will be strung out well into next year, a handy reminder for the US population of which box to tick on their forms.
And don't forget, the US will play an extremely large part in whatever ends up as the ruling government/dictator/party/whatever in Iraq. And if/when they turn bad, and we want more of what they've got, this'll happen all over again.
My anger on this has turned into bemusement, that a) it has actually happened and been allowed to happen, and b) that there are some people around on the side of Bush. I can't put into words my astonishment at the whole year past.
And what makes matters even worse is that the whole Saddam trial/execution/celebrations of capturing will be strung out well into next year, a handy reminder for the US population of which box to tick on their forms.
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