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If you had to pick a single Nintendo gaming moment what would it be?
The moment you first turned on Mario 64?
Riding Yoshi in Super Mario World?
Capturing your first Pokemon in Pokemon Blue?
Breaking into Hyrule Castle in Ocarina of Time?
Managing to nip past all 3 competitors at the final bit in Mario Kart?
Fantastic moments I'm sure you'll agree. But are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? Lower production values, simpler games, quicker releases. Fresh, innovative, clever yes, these are the types of game Nintendo are proposing. Think Wario Ware, think Four Swords... think Jungle Beat.
There's no denying that all 3 of those games are superb. Fantastic, enjoyable and of course they have the added "pick up and play" factor.
But as great as they are, they don't quite create the powerful memories of the real legendary Nintendo games.
Are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? This simple new game style to see to the mass market. To be honest I'd rather Nintendo stuck with their niche following.
Some people may argue that the Gamecube lacks the power of previous Nintendo systems. But I flatly disagree. Floating around the Deku tree in Wind Waker, racing around on a Blooper in Mario Sunshine, getting all the treasure in Pikmin 2, fighting in Glitzville in Paper Mario and those meaty gun fights in Metroid Prime. All of these are fantastic Nintendo related memories. And I'm expecting a load more where they came from with the new Zelda and Pokemon XD titles.
I guess all I can base my assumptions on is the new Nintendo DS and I am not overly optimistic. The Nintendo DS' wonder titles include PacPix, Yoshi's Touch and Go, Touch! Kirby and Wario Ware. Games that displays the future of Nintendo. Super Mario 64: DS will be one of a series of games that buck the trend, but does it live up to its predecessor? Does Nintendo's new "control method" damage the oppertunity for the "Nintendo epic".
Admit it, that's why we stick with Nintendo. We can live with the barren spells, the poor third party support and the lack of online support. As long as we get our Mario, Pokemon, Metroid or Zelda then we'll be fine.
My faith in Nintendo, as Die Hard as I am, began to waver slightly this time last year. Harvest Moon was the only real game to shout about from the first 6 months. But when October arrived that all changed. Pikmin 2, Paper Mario 2 and Metroid Prime 2. I have yet to play the latter as much as I'd like but I have finished the other 2. And they were fantastic, epic, enjoyable, amusing, sad but most of all... fantastic.
Faith restored.
Come the first 6 months of this year and, Resident Evil aside (not a Nintendo game anyway) and I feel I've been slapped in the face. There was no denying the fun involved in Four Swords and Jungle Beat but come on! Mario Power Tennis has no depth whatsoever and Starfox Assault is just a let down. Mario Tennis and Golf this year was clearly evident of lazy developing, nothing new, nothing fresh and where was the depth? No wonder Mario Kart and Smash Brothers repeatidly outshine them both in sales and playability. Nintendo and Hal can make a good Mario spin off. Camelot are becoming increasingly shallow. Stick to Golden Sun.
Nintendo never used to make these shallow games. Under genius and scary head Hiroshi Yamauchi all Nintendo games took ages to make. He was the reason there were tonnes of delays, he is the reason Nintendo games were released so slowly. But he was also the reason that the NES, SNES and N64 recieved so many classics. He is the reason we love Nintendo.
Are Nintendo now threatening to go the other way? I can deal with short/sweet games, some can be incredibly fun (as mentioned, Jungle Beat, Four Swords and Wario Ware) but I cannot agree with removing my Zelda's and my Mario's. Imagine a day when Pokemon was just a simple RPG scraper, or the main Zelda series is Four Swords or that Mario was forever proping up ever other franchise under the sun.
I'm not talking about deserting the company I love. I'm just worried that the "Nintendo Epic" is becoming extinct. They certainly don't fit in with Nintendo's new Philosophy.
Then again are Nintendo really ready to ruin their fanbase? The upcoming Zelda epic proves that maybe Nintendo are not willing to destroy their fanbase. I mean it is slightly hypocritical that Nintendo are talking about simple games whilst harping on about their new epic Zelda title. Are these games for the hardcore? And if so will they continue to come?
It would be nice, if once in a while, whilst harping on about the "simple" games that will appeal to the mass market... that Nintendo should tell their fans that "don't worry, you'll still get the games you love as well".
I know it'd make me feel better.
Dringo.
The moment you first turned on Mario 64?
Riding Yoshi in Super Mario World?
Capturing your first Pokemon in Pokemon Blue?
Breaking into Hyrule Castle in Ocarina of Time?
Managing to nip past all 3 competitors at the final bit in Mario Kart?
Fantastic moments I'm sure you'll agree. But are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? Lower production values, simpler games, quicker releases. Fresh, innovative, clever yes, these are the types of game Nintendo are proposing. Think Wario Ware, think Four Swords... think Jungle Beat.
There's no denying that all 3 of those games are superb. Fantastic, enjoyable and of course they have the added "pick up and play" factor.
But as great as they are, they don't quite create the powerful memories of the real legendary Nintendo games.
Are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? This simple new game style to see to the mass market. To be honest I'd rather Nintendo stuck with their niche following.
Some people may argue that the Gamecube lacks the power of previous Nintendo systems. But I flatly disagree. Floating around the Deku tree in Wind Waker, racing around on a Blooper in Mario Sunshine, getting all the treasure in Pikmin 2, fighting in Glitzville in Paper Mario and those meaty gun fights in Metroid Prime. All of these are fantastic Nintendo related memories. And I'm expecting a load more where they came from with the new Zelda and Pokemon XD titles.
I guess all I can base my assumptions on is the new Nintendo DS and I am not overly optimistic. The Nintendo DS' wonder titles include PacPix, Yoshi's Touch and Go, Touch! Kirby and Wario Ware. Games that displays the future of Nintendo. Super Mario 64: DS will be one of a series of games that buck the trend, but does it live up to its predecessor? Does Nintendo's new "control method" damage the oppertunity for the "Nintendo epic".
Admit it, that's why we stick with Nintendo. We can live with the barren spells, the poor third party support and the lack of online support. As long as we get our Mario, Pokemon, Metroid or Zelda then we'll be fine.
My faith in Nintendo, as Die Hard as I am, began to waver slightly this time last year. Harvest Moon was the only real game to shout about from the first 6 months. But when October arrived that all changed. Pikmin 2, Paper Mario 2 and Metroid Prime 2. I have yet to play the latter as much as I'd like but I have finished the other 2. And they were fantastic, epic, enjoyable, amusing, sad but most of all... fantastic.
Faith restored.
Come the first 6 months of this year and, Resident Evil aside (not a Nintendo game anyway) and I feel I've been slapped in the face. There was no denying the fun involved in Four Swords and Jungle Beat but come on! Mario Power Tennis has no depth whatsoever and Starfox Assault is just a let down. Mario Tennis and Golf this year was clearly evident of lazy developing, nothing new, nothing fresh and where was the depth? No wonder Mario Kart and Smash Brothers repeatidly outshine them both in sales and playability. Nintendo and Hal can make a good Mario spin off. Camelot are becoming increasingly shallow. Stick to Golden Sun.
Nintendo never used to make these shallow games. Under genius and scary head Hiroshi Yamauchi all Nintendo games took ages to make. He was the reason there were tonnes of delays, he is the reason Nintendo games were released so slowly. But he was also the reason that the NES, SNES and N64 recieved so many classics. He is the reason we love Nintendo.
Are Nintendo now threatening to go the other way? I can deal with short/sweet games, some can be incredibly fun (as mentioned, Jungle Beat, Four Swords and Wario Ware) but I cannot agree with removing my Zelda's and my Mario's. Imagine a day when Pokemon was just a simple RPG scraper, or the main Zelda series is Four Swords or that Mario was forever proping up ever other franchise under the sun.
I'm not talking about deserting the company I love. I'm just worried that the "Nintendo Epic" is becoming extinct. They certainly don't fit in with Nintendo's new Philosophy.
Then again are Nintendo really ready to ruin their fanbase? The upcoming Zelda epic proves that maybe Nintendo are not willing to destroy their fanbase. I mean it is slightly hypocritical that Nintendo are talking about simple games whilst harping on about their new epic Zelda title. Are these games for the hardcore? And if so will they continue to come?
It would be nice, if once in a while, whilst harping on about the "simple" games that will appeal to the mass market... that Nintendo should tell their fans that "don't worry, you'll still get the games you love as well".
I know it'd make me feel better.
Dringo.
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N64 > Any other console ever
N64 > GC
It will be extremely annoying and disheartening if Nintendo did decide to go with the easy option and continue to produce the more simplistic games for the mass market.
It'll also be a big back-stabbing for people such as myself who never strayed away from Nintendo when the cheaper and more user-friendly Playstation came along in the mid nineties and threatened to ruin everything. Of course it couldn't stay that way forever, what with the PS2 consistently producing very good games and Nintendo only producing a few.
I tend not to bother with Ninty's arcadey or simple games. If I want arcade gameplay or some soulless third party entertainment, then I have my PS2 for that. I bought my Gamecube with the sole intention of creating new defining memories with the epic titles. So far, the only one that has come close to equalling the brilliance of the N64's efforts is The Wind Waker. Even Metroid Prime as good as it is, hasn't done for me what Goldeneye or Perfect Dark could do on the N64.
It'll also be a big back-stabbing for people such as myself who never strayed away from Nintendo when the cheaper and more user-friendly Playstation came along in the mid nineties and threatened to ruin everything. Of course it couldn't stay that way forever, what with the PS2 consistently producing very good games and Nintendo only producing a few.
I tend not to bother with Ninty's arcadey or simple games. If I want arcade gameplay or some soulless third party entertainment, then I have my PS2 for that. I bought my Gamecube with the sole intention of creating new defining memories with the epic titles. So far, the only one that has come close to equalling the brilliance of the N64's efforts is The Wind Waker. Even Metroid Prime as good as it is, hasn't done for me what Goldeneye or Perfect Dark could do on the N64.
We'll probably see more the next time around, a lot of games this time aroundseem to have been continueing licences rather than expanding upon them (look at Nintendo handing licences out for them to be continued).
No doubt next time we'll see a proper Donkey Kong and a proper StarFox from Nintendo.
I'm sure there have been good 'Nintendo moments' in Zelda and Mario this time around (and of course Pikmin) and we have the new Zelda to look forward too, which is sure to be full of such things.
This time around Nintendo have had to grapple with hardware they're less than happy about (we all know they love carts) and find their place in a market with new competition without companies such as Rare who doubled the number of Nintendo-owned quality titles on the N64..
I've always viewed the GC as a testing ground for Nintendo and a transition-console as they've re-shaped their company under new leadership.
Nintendo have been pushed this time and next time we should see them fully push back.
No doubt next time we'll see a proper Donkey Kong and a proper StarFox from Nintendo.
I'm sure there have been good 'Nintendo moments' in Zelda and Mario this time around (and of course Pikmin) and we have the new Zelda to look forward too, which is sure to be full of such things.
This time around Nintendo have had to grapple with hardware they're less than happy about (we all know they love carts) and find their place in a market with new competition without companies such as Rare who doubled the number of Nintendo-owned quality titles on the N64..
I've always viewed the GC as a testing ground for Nintendo and a transition-console as they've re-shaped their company under new leadership.
Nintendo have been pushed this time and next time we should see them fully push back.
SnoopDogg wrote:
> Bit silly you needed a cheat cartridge to get the 151st Pokemon Mew...
Or you could get one from the official Nintendo download machines that went on tour.
I whole heartedly agree with you Dringo. Games like OoT had a whole collection of those classic moments in them, riding Epona out of the ranch, seeing Ganon rise from the flames, watching the closing credits even. There hasn't been much of that this generation and to be honest I can't see this improving. I hope Nintendo prove me wrong but I'm just not too confident.
> Bit silly you needed a cheat cartridge to get the 151st Pokemon Mew...
Or you could get one from the official Nintendo download machines that went on tour.
I whole heartedly agree with you Dringo. Games like OoT had a whole collection of those classic moments in them, riding Epona out of the ranch, seeing Ganon rise from the flames, watching the closing credits even. There hasn't been much of that this generation and to be honest I can't see this improving. I hope Nintendo prove me wrong but I'm just not too confident.
Shooting russian guards full in the face through a tiny window in Goldeneye.
Doesn't really count so...
Getting out of your village in Ocarina of Time to be greeted by the massive (at the time) view of the land of Hyrule.
Doesn't really count so...
Getting out of your village in Ocarina of Time to be greeted by the massive (at the time) view of the land of Hyrule.
Pokemon was the best Nintendo game at the time because it actually felt like Pokemon did exist as you traded them across your carts, and trained them to be unstoppable. The game was fantastic, but Nintendo, (trying to make profits) carried on making the Pokemon games and none of them really were as good as the first adventure. Capturing Mewtwo at the end felt good. Bit silly you needed a cheat cartridge to get the 151st Pokemon Mew...
If you had to pick a single Nintendo gaming moment what would it be?
The moment you first turned on Mario 64?
Riding Yoshi in Super Mario World?
Capturing your first Pokemon in Pokemon Blue?
Breaking into Hyrule Castle in Ocarina of Time?
Managing to nip past all 3 competitors at the final bit in Mario Kart?
Fantastic moments I'm sure you'll agree. But are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? Lower production values, simpler games, quicker releases. Fresh, innovative, clever yes, these are the types of game Nintendo are proposing. Think Wario Ware, think Four Swords... think Jungle Beat.
There's no denying that all 3 of those games are superb. Fantastic, enjoyable and of course they have the added "pick up and play" factor.
But as great as they are, they don't quite create the powerful memories of the real legendary Nintendo games.
Are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? This simple new game style to see to the mass market. To be honest I'd rather Nintendo stuck with their niche following.
Some people may argue that the Gamecube lacks the power of previous Nintendo systems. But I flatly disagree. Floating around the Deku tree in Wind Waker, racing around on a Blooper in Mario Sunshine, getting all the treasure in Pikmin 2, fighting in Glitzville in Paper Mario and those meaty gun fights in Metroid Prime. All of these are fantastic Nintendo related memories. And I'm expecting a load more where they came from with the new Zelda and Pokemon XD titles.
I guess all I can base my assumptions on is the new Nintendo DS and I am not overly optimistic. The Nintendo DS' wonder titles include PacPix, Yoshi's Touch and Go, Touch! Kirby and Wario Ware. Games that displays the future of Nintendo. Super Mario 64: DS will be one of a series of games that buck the trend, but does it live up to its predecessor? Does Nintendo's new "control method" damage the oppertunity for the "Nintendo epic".
Admit it, that's why we stick with Nintendo. We can live with the barren spells, the poor third party support and the lack of online support. As long as we get our Mario, Pokemon, Metroid or Zelda then we'll be fine.
My faith in Nintendo, as Die Hard as I am, began to waver slightly this time last year. Harvest Moon was the only real game to shout about from the first 6 months. But when October arrived that all changed. Pikmin 2, Paper Mario 2 and Metroid Prime 2. I have yet to play the latter as much as I'd like but I have finished the other 2. And they were fantastic, epic, enjoyable, amusing, sad but most of all... fantastic.
Faith restored.
Come the first 6 months of this year and, Resident Evil aside (not a Nintendo game anyway) and I feel I've been slapped in the face. There was no denying the fun involved in Four Swords and Jungle Beat but come on! Mario Power Tennis has no depth whatsoever and Starfox Assault is just a let down. Mario Tennis and Golf this year was clearly evident of lazy developing, nothing new, nothing fresh and where was the depth? No wonder Mario Kart and Smash Brothers repeatidly outshine them both in sales and playability. Nintendo and Hal can make a good Mario spin off. Camelot are becoming increasingly shallow. Stick to Golden Sun.
Nintendo never used to make these shallow games. Under genius and scary head Hiroshi Yamauchi all Nintendo games took ages to make. He was the reason there were tonnes of delays, he is the reason Nintendo games were released so slowly. But he was also the reason that the NES, SNES and N64 recieved so many classics. He is the reason we love Nintendo.
Are Nintendo now threatening to go the other way? I can deal with short/sweet games, some can be incredibly fun (as mentioned, Jungle Beat, Four Swords and Wario Ware) but I cannot agree with removing my Zelda's and my Mario's. Imagine a day when Pokemon was just a simple RPG scraper, or the main Zelda series is Four Swords or that Mario was forever proping up ever other franchise under the sun.
I'm not talking about deserting the company I love. I'm just worried that the "Nintendo Epic" is becoming extinct. They certainly don't fit in with Nintendo's new Philosophy.
Then again are Nintendo really ready to ruin their fanbase? The upcoming Zelda epic proves that maybe Nintendo are not willing to destroy their fanbase. I mean it is slightly hypocritical that Nintendo are talking about simple games whilst harping on about their new epic Zelda title. Are these games for the hardcore? And if so will they continue to come?
It would be nice, if once in a while, whilst harping on about the "simple" games that will appeal to the mass market... that Nintendo should tell their fans that "don't worry, you'll still get the games you love as well".
I know it'd make me feel better.
Dringo.
The moment you first turned on Mario 64?
Riding Yoshi in Super Mario World?
Capturing your first Pokemon in Pokemon Blue?
Breaking into Hyrule Castle in Ocarina of Time?
Managing to nip past all 3 competitors at the final bit in Mario Kart?
Fantastic moments I'm sure you'll agree. But are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? Lower production values, simpler games, quicker releases. Fresh, innovative, clever yes, these are the types of game Nintendo are proposing. Think Wario Ware, think Four Swords... think Jungle Beat.
There's no denying that all 3 of those games are superb. Fantastic, enjoyable and of course they have the added "pick up and play" factor.
But as great as they are, they don't quite create the powerful memories of the real legendary Nintendo games.
Are Nintendo proposing to get rid of them? This simple new game style to see to the mass market. To be honest I'd rather Nintendo stuck with their niche following.
Some people may argue that the Gamecube lacks the power of previous Nintendo systems. But I flatly disagree. Floating around the Deku tree in Wind Waker, racing around on a Blooper in Mario Sunshine, getting all the treasure in Pikmin 2, fighting in Glitzville in Paper Mario and those meaty gun fights in Metroid Prime. All of these are fantastic Nintendo related memories. And I'm expecting a load more where they came from with the new Zelda and Pokemon XD titles.
I guess all I can base my assumptions on is the new Nintendo DS and I am not overly optimistic. The Nintendo DS' wonder titles include PacPix, Yoshi's Touch and Go, Touch! Kirby and Wario Ware. Games that displays the future of Nintendo. Super Mario 64: DS will be one of a series of games that buck the trend, but does it live up to its predecessor? Does Nintendo's new "control method" damage the oppertunity for the "Nintendo epic".
Admit it, that's why we stick with Nintendo. We can live with the barren spells, the poor third party support and the lack of online support. As long as we get our Mario, Pokemon, Metroid or Zelda then we'll be fine.
My faith in Nintendo, as Die Hard as I am, began to waver slightly this time last year. Harvest Moon was the only real game to shout about from the first 6 months. But when October arrived that all changed. Pikmin 2, Paper Mario 2 and Metroid Prime 2. I have yet to play the latter as much as I'd like but I have finished the other 2. And they were fantastic, epic, enjoyable, amusing, sad but most of all... fantastic.
Faith restored.
Come the first 6 months of this year and, Resident Evil aside (not a Nintendo game anyway) and I feel I've been slapped in the face. There was no denying the fun involved in Four Swords and Jungle Beat but come on! Mario Power Tennis has no depth whatsoever and Starfox Assault is just a let down. Mario Tennis and Golf this year was clearly evident of lazy developing, nothing new, nothing fresh and where was the depth? No wonder Mario Kart and Smash Brothers repeatidly outshine them both in sales and playability. Nintendo and Hal can make a good Mario spin off. Camelot are becoming increasingly shallow. Stick to Golden Sun.
Nintendo never used to make these shallow games. Under genius and scary head Hiroshi Yamauchi all Nintendo games took ages to make. He was the reason there were tonnes of delays, he is the reason Nintendo games were released so slowly. But he was also the reason that the NES, SNES and N64 recieved so many classics. He is the reason we love Nintendo.
Are Nintendo now threatening to go the other way? I can deal with short/sweet games, some can be incredibly fun (as mentioned, Jungle Beat, Four Swords and Wario Ware) but I cannot agree with removing my Zelda's and my Mario's. Imagine a day when Pokemon was just a simple RPG scraper, or the main Zelda series is Four Swords or that Mario was forever proping up ever other franchise under the sun.
I'm not talking about deserting the company I love. I'm just worried that the "Nintendo Epic" is becoming extinct. They certainly don't fit in with Nintendo's new Philosophy.
Then again are Nintendo really ready to ruin their fanbase? The upcoming Zelda epic proves that maybe Nintendo are not willing to destroy their fanbase. I mean it is slightly hypocritical that Nintendo are talking about simple games whilst harping on about their new epic Zelda title. Are these games for the hardcore? And if so will they continue to come?
It would be nice, if once in a while, whilst harping on about the "simple" games that will appeal to the mass market... that Nintendo should tell their fans that "don't worry, you'll still get the games you love as well".
I know it'd make me feel better.
Dringo.
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