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"The Matrix Defence - Views?"

I am watching a documentary television show on Channel 4 right now called The Matrix Defence. It is about how some individuals in America have taken it upon themselves to murder others. Later however it has been claimed that they comitted these murders due to being strong influence from the movie The Matrix.

I do believe that they have been influenced by The Matrix. I am not saying that The Matrix is to blame for the murders, I am not saying any of the cast or WB is responsible and so on however the people who have taken it upon themselves to murder others do have mental problems making them highly influencial so it is no surprise that when watching such a film they get murderous ideas in their heads.

Yes it is entirely their own fault but I do not think that their argument is entirely without merit. They have been influenced by this movie and therefore it is not entirely their own fault although I fully agree that it is their mental problems that are the root of the problem and not the movies.

Anyway that is my view on the subject, how about you?

OK as for leather yeah you're right. It was an off the cuff comment, maybe black and duster coats would be a better phrase.

How do you keep them away from non violent things? Hmm. Well it is difficult to keep mental health problems completely under wraps. People see changes in behaviour. Things don't seem quite like they used too. People spot stuff. I'm not an expert on mental health, although I know one and I might ask him what he thinks, but I doubt it would be that difficult to get some sort of policy in place.

I never watched all of the documentary, did the people have histories of mental health problems? If so, then the chances are some others knew about it. Getting the person help could be regarded as a civic duty.

I would also like to ask you again how you would go about indentifying these mentally ill people and enforcing your idea that they should be kept away from everything violent? It is inevitable that they get influenced negatively like that without medical help in my opinion which in the case of these matrix murderers came too late.

Lol ermmm right...you do realise that many of the people on the show had steady job = not hermits, one guy even did it with two of his friends. Secondly Neo doesn't wear leather, Trinity wears PVC and Morpheus is the one with the leather like material. Anyway lots of people wear leather, that is neither here nor there.

P.s. I never said the matrix was responsible for everything ever lol. You are so dramatic:P I have said at absolutely every opportunity that the documentary only states the matrix is indirectly responsible for certain crimes with certain people (not everything) and I agree with what they say.

My point there was that IF these people really were ill and the Matrix was influencing them then they should be kept away from things like that. And you can't tell me that your parents wouldn't notice if all of a sudden you became a leather wearing hermit?

Actually you probably will say that, in order to defend to the hilt your argument that the Matrix influences people and that we are all going to die from people watching it and thinking they are in the Matrix yada yada yada.

In fact ignore me, the Matrix is to blame for EVERYTHING EVER EVER EVER.

I would argue that you can't go much deeper than into someones mind Cipro and that's exactly what they did. You put them in to therapy, pyschoanlysed them and found out that they all had serious mental problems that allowed them to be strongly influenced by The Matrix and therefore commit those horrible crimes.

As for what you said Biggles about parents needing to help them and so on I fail to see how that helps the argument that The Matrix did no influence them. We know none of them were faking it and looking for a capegoat so that also doesn't hold water and as for simply saying don't watch it if you have mental problems I fail to see how A) That would be enforced and B) Even if they could enforce it many people don't know they have mental problems and when they do they don't announce it to the world. However these people did have these mental problems and therefore took it upon themselves to act upon what they had seen in The Matrix. Fact.

The Matrix could have influenced how these individuals acted out their crimes in a certain manner, but as for why they did it, I think you need to look far deepeer than what they may have watched.

If people are that ill that they can be influenced to kill people then there must have been signs of illness before they go on killing sprees. And if family or friends cared enough, they would get the person treatment, which would likely include not watching things like the Matrix.

If you are ill don't watch it.
If you are faking it and looking for a scapegoat then don't blame the Matrix (or anything else).

Simple. End of story.

**cries** does nobody read the posts below? To repear myself again at no point in the entire documentary do they directly accuse The Matrix for violence and murder. Through out the documentary they also do not hide the fact that everyone who commited these murders and violent acts have mental problems. HOWEVER whether or not they would have done this anyway does not detract from the point that they didn't do it any other way. Half of the people within this show commited there crimes while reinacting scenes from The Matrix and wearing the same clothes as Neo. They WERE influenced by The Matrix to do what they did because they had mental problems. Psychiatric evaluations have proved this, end of story.

I think that blaming The Matrix wasn't the main thing, from the tiny clip I saw it said that *before* they had watched it they had shown signs of being unstable anyway.

If someone's going to kill, they're going to kill regardless of what they've seen on TV.