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"For the American People?"

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/ sm_837220.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

So, Dubya on the one hand praises the 'brave Americans' who have fought for their country, but on the other hand he doesn't want them to have any compensation for what they've gone through. Doubtless Belly No Balls will start squealing "it was a war, what do they expect?", at which point a little something called the Geneva Convention should be mentioned...

But the real reason I want to bring this story to attention is that Dubya is saying he wants the money to be spent on "reconstruction". And who is leading the 'reconstruction' program? Why...is it the companies who backed and financed Dubya's election campaign?! You know, it is...

This lying, thieving, warmongering chimp isn't even trying to hide his corruption any more. He is happy to sell out the people he purports to represent to his friends in big business. What a patriotic American he is; putting the needs of the rich few before those of the needy many. He is in need of a good, hard, car park kicking.

Surely you're not implying that Belldandy would ever dream of slinking out of a topic without addressing the questions put to him?

Belldandy wrote:
> So, we were the dominant power pre WW2?
>
> Nice one. Not even worth addressing the other points really if that
> is an indication of things...

Yes Bell, we were. Along with France, we were the only colonial power who could lay claim to any sort of pre-eminence. Of course, the militaristic powers of Italy and Germany and Japan were also big powers, but we were marginally the bigger boys.

Now if you're going to actually disagree with that point, could you provide some reasons? If however you're going to make a single comment as a smokescreen for running away because you're too afraid to think for yourself, then at least have the guts to come clean about it.

Sorry...'guts' and 'Belldandy' just don't go together in the same sentence, do they?

Nice cop out there...

So, we were the dominant power pre WW2?

Nice one. Not even worth addressing the other points really if that is an indication of things...

Oh dear Bell; didn't you just attempt to criticise me in another thread for one word answers? Why...wouldn't this response of yours here mean that I can add 'hypocrite' to the list of your character traits?

Anyway, there are still some points you've avoided. Here's the post with them in, just so you can have plenty of time to think of some excuses to avoid them. C'mon coward; I'm always intrigued to find your new justifications for running away and crying;


Belldandy wrote:

>
> Saddam is gone, all that remains are those who would see Iraq become
> a dictatorship once more. If you call that unnecessary then that is
> your choice.

Bwah ha ha ha ha haaaa! Iraq is currently ruled by an unelected leader imposed by an invading foreign power. He is unpopular, and the soldiers under his command are being killed every day. In retaliation, the occupying soldiers kill innocent Iraqi civilians. Meanwhile, the occupying foreign power are resisting all calls to hand the country back over, instead insisting on a vague timetable of power handover.
If that's not a dictatorship, what is?

>
> Light's account:
>
> "the UN was formed with the idea that no one nation should be
> able to bully the rest of the world into complying with whatever fun
> packed scheme they had come up with during that particular week.
> Britain had to hand its empire back to the people who actually lived
> there."

>
> is quite a funny, shortsighted and hopelessly naive account of that
> time and what happened.

So...the fact that the UK handed back it's empire under the auspices of the UN...that doesn't, to you, indicate that I've given you a simplified version of what happened? Heh.
The UN was, as I've always made clear when you come up with your historically inaccurate lies, formed to replace the League of Nations. The idea of both organisations was to avoid world wars. Like the 2 that had just happened. Both world wars were a result of colonialism and/or Empire building. The UN and LofN were intended to stop this.

Now then; you seem to have made an assertion ('funny, shortsighted, and naive'), and given nothing to back it up. I on the other hand have given reasons for my belief and opinion. You haven't. Because you can't. Because, and I think I've made this clear, you're a clown.



>
> as for "it will neve happen" - in all likelihood history
> will not repeat itself, for a start there is no American Empire, and
> there are few nations willing to engage in actual warfare anymore
> against another nation unless they can be sure of a victory at little
> cost to their own people. The loss of the Empire post WW2 was down to
> economic and military reasons, we did not have the money nor forces
> to continue direct rule.

My, you are determined to make yourself look stupid aren't you?

Okay...I gave the simplified version and you missed the point. So lets go through this stage by stage;

- The war basically bankrupted us. Prior to WWII, we were THE world power.

- Afterwards, we had not the power and influence we once enjoyed.

- Because of our decline, nations we once dominated economically or militarily were much noisier about wanting independence.

- Therefore, although we wanted to keep our Empire (check out some of the Conservative party rhetoric during their time in opposition post WW2 if you want to see what I mean), we could not resist the demands of those nations who wanted their independence. (If I were to be cruel, I'd point out that you have previously said these nations did not achieve independence. Now you're saying they did. Are you really that big an idiot that you can't remember what it was you said from one argument to the next?)

- And so, we had to basically hand it back. The newly created UN oversaw this.

Do you see?

>The world has changed and this is not the
> situation today. One of these changes is that the majority know that
> the UN is currently little more than an economic bargaining shop
> where people wring concessions from each other via supporting ideas.
> This would be the UN which has stood by and watched the atrocities of
> the late twentieth century and generally issued little more than
> words on paper, then acted all shocked when the
> nation/person/whatever in question ignores them.

Right, right...so everything literally has to happen in exactly the same manner does it? History has to repeat itself exactly, to the letter?
And do you know WHY the UN has ignored everything? Thanks to the UK, France, the US, Russia, and China vetoing almost everything that would have had an effect. And who is the worst offender? Oh yeah...

You might also like to consider that the UN treaties concerning torture etc have not been ratified because of US obstruction.




>
> The mistake is to think that "Gunboat Diplomacy" is not of
> this age, when it is, in part it is the only thing certain factions
> will respect and take notice of. In a matter of months Gonboat
> Diplomacy did what years of UN paperwork could not - end the Iraqi
> Saddam regime, destory the Taliban, destory the terrorist elements
> for the most part in the Phillipines, cut funding to thousands of
> cells worldwide, and more.

Yes, and Gunboat diplomacy has also isolated the US, allowed extremist terrorists to get a foothold in Iraq they once didn't have, left the people of Afghanistan with no rule of any law (not even the hateful brand of Sharia that the Taliban practiced) and vulnerable to the whims of the warlords who run the country, increased funding to cells (thanks to the sympathy of those nice, wealthy, Wahhabi Moslems of the middle east), and created more terrorists worldwide than the Phillipines could ever hold.

Oh, and as the terrorists are still operating in the Phillipines, you'll pardon me for dismissing that claim as the lie of a clown trying to hammer home a non-existant point.

Destroy terrorism? Then why are we all living in fear of terrorist attacks? Why the constant warnings?

>
> Ah, bless, Light with his "these countries are free and
> independent" type ideas. If only that were true.

Yeah, bless me for actually wanting freedom and democracy for all men, and for all mankind to be equal. Isn't that kinda...well, one of the principles that the US is founded on? Yet here you are, ridiculing me for wanting it. Hey, doesn't that make me...well, more of a pro American than you?

Whereas you....well, if you don't believe in that, what do you believe in? Because as far as I can tell, all you want is war and lots of it. And as you're not making any of the huge amounts of money that Dubya and his buddies make, I can only conclude that you want all of this conflict because you are a bloodthirsty little cockwallet who's only experience of violence is on a computer screen, and who's knowledge of international politics comes directly from the pen of Tom Clancy. Anything to add to that?

And finally...you've totally avoided addressing the lies you wrote in this thread about the orignal story, didn't you Bell? You're running away, throwing up smokescreens behind you. But alas, everyone is so painfully aware of your methods now. So all you achieve by this evasiveness is to confirm what an intellectual, moral, and emotional coward you are. So run away and scweam some more Bell; you won't attempt to address the points put to you, because you're a coward and a rather stupid one at that.

Uh huh.

Belldandy wrote:
> Light, Light, Light, you just don't get it do you ?
>
> I do not care what you think, nor say of me, and I never will. But
> carry on, I'm sure someone is getting some amusement somewhere, this
> is the internet after all.

*L* Oh, look at the high and mighty Bell. The same Bell who posted at length about how IB was guilty? The same IB who spammed the board so that everyone knew what had happened?

Bwah ha ha haaaaa! Yeah, you care so little about what I think of you that you have to post to tell me this. You care so little that you say "I'm not talking to you" and then post something else in response to me within hours. You care so little that you logged on as Halo Fan to try and save face after one of your "I'm leaving forever!" posts. You care so little that you argue for weeks on a single thread, but refuse to ackowledge that your argument has been torn to tatters.

But please Bell; carry on trying this approach of 'rising above it all'. Just makes it all the funnier when you foam and froth at the mouth about how nasty everyone is being to you.

Belldandy wrote:
> Nah, can't be bothered to be honest, just ends up in mile long posts
> where people pick over the minutaie of every single sentence to the
> boredom of everyone but themselves. Feel free to go ahead yourself
> though.

Mwah ha ha haaa!

"I can't be bothered"

But you can be bothered to post about a possibly slanderous and offensive post? And you can be bothered to keep more than one account with this board? Oh, and you can be bothered to post when you think you've got someone beaten in an argument? But you can't be bothered to reply to points raised against you?

Boredom? Then why do you keep coming back? And why are others joining in this thread? You must have a dull life indeed if you keep coming back to this boredom.

Coward. Gutless, spineless, coward. If you really couldn't be bothered, you wouldn't be here. You're just too stupid to think for yourself when challenged.
>
> "Aha, you liar, Iraqi casualties were actually 2540 and not as
> you claim 2539!!!!111 LIAR COMMIE SMOKING SCUM"

Heh. Oh, poor Bell; desperately trying to make anyone other than himself look like the childish smear of old smeg.

Here's the thing Bell; you ARE a liar. You lied about a hell of a lot more than just 1 casualty. But I appreciate that you want people to take you seriously, so you have to make the effort to make yourself seem better than you are.

I have, although I highly doubt you've noticed, stopped arguing with you in any detail long ago.

And I honestly don't know whether you're deliberately self parodying any more.

Nah, can't be bothered to be honest, just ends up in mile long posts where people pick over the minutaie of every single sentence to the boredom of everyone but themselves. Feel free to go ahead yourself though.

"Aha, you liar, Iraqi casualties were actually 2540 and not as you claim 2539!!!!111 LIAR COMMIE SMOKING SCUM"