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Although I had low expectations when going to see this last night, I can however say that despite these misgivings, I still thought it was utter unadulterated toss.
I love his previous films as much as anybody, but what we have here is massive hype all because it’s from Tarantino, the man who’s brain has been sweating in it’s own pop culture loving juices ever since Jackie Brown, and for me it delivered very little. Despite the ravings from all the beardy wannabe film studies students about all the amazing qualities of the cinematography and the style he created, it still sucks big time *in my opinion*.
The script wasn’t anything amazing. A few cool lines here and there but not the barrage of cool and quotable lines we know and love from his previous films, and overall it just wasn’t a patch on his other things. There wasn’t even really a decent story created.
The fragmented chronology loved by QT and used so effectively in his previous films just didn’t work, seemed utterly pointless and even confusing as to why he bothered.
The movie as a whole was too bitty, and played out like a load of scenes cobbled together rather than a proper flowing movie, and it just lacked something.
Most of the film just played out in too much of a clichéd ham-fisted manner, whether this is intentional I don’t really care. The characters were totally 2 dimensional and also highly clichéd. The Bride goes to Japanese sword maker, two minutes later she has a mighty blade to vanquish the evil-doers. There was no real build up to that, she just went there, got the sword and that was it. No epic journey to find an amazing sword, it was just given to her.
The last battle of vol. 1 was also a big disappointment, we had The Bride battling through hoards of Yakuza minions, and the scene is set for an excellent grand finale. We enter the highly clichéd Japanese winter garden, where an epic duel should amaze and delight the filmgoers. But the fight was naff. Hardly the epic and amazing duel we should have expected from two so-called amazing warriors. Wolf from Gladiators had better fights when he bashed the hell out of plebs with his pugil-stick.
I love kung fu, I like on-screen violence, and I liked the atmosphere Tarantino created/stole, but the whole time I just felt he was lurking behind the camera, nodding and winking to fellow film nerds when he pays homage/rips off various old school kung fu bits, all the while believing he was the greatest kung fu director in history, when he clearly isn’t. The fight scenes were ok, nothing amazing though, especially if you’re used to watching many a kung fu film. Was the violence so OTT that it was done to make up for the lack of a decent movie? I think so.
QT has tried to do something different; he’s taken his maverick style and applied it to old kung fu genre and the crossover just failed. The characters were boring, the plot simple and uninspiring, the script disappointing and the action was nothing special. It’s just lazy filmmaking; take loads of classic ideas from the Kung Fu genre and stick them all together and serve it up to the masses. But because it’s from Tarantino we shouldn’t question it, we should just say, ”it’s cool”. I don’t agree.
The anime flashback bit was pretty good, though just because Tarantino likes a bit of anime doesn’t mean he should stick a 5-minute section slap bang into the middle of his film. It’s an interesting idea, but was just out of place and reeks of self-indulgence.
If you want to watch a decent kung fu film, there’s plenty on offer, from cheesy ones to ultra violent ones, and if you want to watch a decent revenge flick, then watch Point Blank or, heck, even Commando.
I’m sure the movie-going masses enjoyed it, as they tend to lap up everything thrown at them nowadays, especially if it has any type of kung fu in it, but this viewer was disappointed he’d wasted £6 and had to bother venturing out on a cold Sunday evening for two hours of overrated pap. My brother went with an open mind, and he hated it too, and he’d wasted £6 and some petrol.
Style over substance, self-indulgence from a director, lots of blood and limbs being chopped off doesn’t make a film great, and how people could call this the best film of the year is insulting to the other great films released this year.
I’ll still go and see volume 2, purely because Michael Madsen will feature, and may be good in it, and there’s the hope that it surely can't be worse than volume 1.
I love his previous films as much as anybody, but what we have here is massive hype all because it’s from Tarantino, the man who’s brain has been sweating in it’s own pop culture loving juices ever since Jackie Brown, and for me it delivered very little. Despite the ravings from all the beardy wannabe film studies students about all the amazing qualities of the cinematography and the style he created, it still sucks big time *in my opinion*.
The script wasn’t anything amazing. A few cool lines here and there but not the barrage of cool and quotable lines we know and love from his previous films, and overall it just wasn’t a patch on his other things. There wasn’t even really a decent story created.
The fragmented chronology loved by QT and used so effectively in his previous films just didn’t work, seemed utterly pointless and even confusing as to why he bothered.
The movie as a whole was too bitty, and played out like a load of scenes cobbled together rather than a proper flowing movie, and it just lacked something.
Most of the film just played out in too much of a clichéd ham-fisted manner, whether this is intentional I don’t really care. The characters were totally 2 dimensional and also highly clichéd. The Bride goes to Japanese sword maker, two minutes later she has a mighty blade to vanquish the evil-doers. There was no real build up to that, she just went there, got the sword and that was it. No epic journey to find an amazing sword, it was just given to her.
The last battle of vol. 1 was also a big disappointment, we had The Bride battling through hoards of Yakuza minions, and the scene is set for an excellent grand finale. We enter the highly clichéd Japanese winter garden, where an epic duel should amaze and delight the filmgoers. But the fight was naff. Hardly the epic and amazing duel we should have expected from two so-called amazing warriors. Wolf from Gladiators had better fights when he bashed the hell out of plebs with his pugil-stick.
I love kung fu, I like on-screen violence, and I liked the atmosphere Tarantino created/stole, but the whole time I just felt he was lurking behind the camera, nodding and winking to fellow film nerds when he pays homage/rips off various old school kung fu bits, all the while believing he was the greatest kung fu director in history, when he clearly isn’t. The fight scenes were ok, nothing amazing though, especially if you’re used to watching many a kung fu film. Was the violence so OTT that it was done to make up for the lack of a decent movie? I think so.
QT has tried to do something different; he’s taken his maverick style and applied it to old kung fu genre and the crossover just failed. The characters were boring, the plot simple and uninspiring, the script disappointing and the action was nothing special. It’s just lazy filmmaking; take loads of classic ideas from the Kung Fu genre and stick them all together and serve it up to the masses. But because it’s from Tarantino we shouldn’t question it, we should just say, ”it’s cool”. I don’t agree.
The anime flashback bit was pretty good, though just because Tarantino likes a bit of anime doesn’t mean he should stick a 5-minute section slap bang into the middle of his film. It’s an interesting idea, but was just out of place and reeks of self-indulgence.
If you want to watch a decent kung fu film, there’s plenty on offer, from cheesy ones to ultra violent ones, and if you want to watch a decent revenge flick, then watch Point Blank or, heck, even Commando.
I’m sure the movie-going masses enjoyed it, as they tend to lap up everything thrown at them nowadays, especially if it has any type of kung fu in it, but this viewer was disappointed he’d wasted £6 and had to bother venturing out on a cold Sunday evening for two hours of overrated pap. My brother went with an open mind, and he hated it too, and he’d wasted £6 and some petrol.
Style over substance, self-indulgence from a director, lots of blood and limbs being chopped off doesn’t make a film great, and how people could call this the best film of the year is insulting to the other great films released this year.
I’ll still go and see volume 2, purely because Michael Madsen will feature, and may be good in it, and there’s the hope that it surely can't be worse than volume 1.
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Goatboy wrote:
> Ah, saw the US remake of The Ring last night.
> It was better than the original, which sucked ass through a boring
> Jap-straw.
Oh my God... something I agree with.
> Ah, saw the US remake of The Ring last night.
> It was better than the original, which sucked ass through a boring
> Jap-straw.
Oh my God... something I agree with.
I have to disagree with your views on the film Tortoro,i thought it was a perfect amalgam between Tarantino's American/Japanese hybrid directing and writing style and the traditional Japanese writing and directing style.The characters may have been 2-dimensional and cliche'd but how many old style Japanese kung-fu movies have you seen which aren't? If you watch early japanese kung-fu movies form the 70's and 80's you will see a lot of what you saw in Kill Bill, Its a retro movie full stop.My mate and I went to see it on its release and he is the one person who's opinion I would trust when it comes to films, he is a film expert, a Tarantino expert and he absolutely loved it, his words, at the end of the film were "exceptional", I do however have one problem with the film, I have to wait to February to see the second part!
Original Ring was just dull.
Even the ending.
"I'll stand in this well for hours, scooping water out"
*Goatboy is waiting for the jump moment...any moment...any moment...*
"Ah no, my mistake. I'll just touch her hair and then it's all good. Ooops, almost forgot to copy the tape!"
Bah
Even the ending.
"I'll stand in this well for hours, scooping water out"
*Goatboy is waiting for the jump moment...any moment...any moment...*
"Ah no, my mistake. I'll just touch her hair and then it's all good. Ooops, almost forgot to copy the tape!"
Bah
The Ring is cool. The original I thought had more atmosphere, but the remake looked classier, and the death near the end was so much cooler with modern effects.
Goatboy wrote:
> Ah, saw the US remake of The Ring last night.
> It was better than the original, which sucked ass through a boring
> Jap-straw.
Fully agree.
> Ah, saw the US remake of The Ring last night.
> It was better than the original, which sucked ass through a boring
> Jap-straw.
Fully agree.
Ah, saw the US remake of The Ring last night.
It was better than the original, which sucked ass through a boring Jap-straw.
It was better than the original, which sucked ass through a boring Jap-straw.
Totoro wrote:
> Well I also saw Spirited Away at the cinema not too long ago. A film
> that had a very limited run in only a handful of cinemas, so that's
> my beardy film quota taken care of.
True. It depends on what mood I'm in for the film I want to watch. Sometimes I like serious stuff (hence Irreversible) sometimes I want to stitch off and be entertained (Jeepers Creepers 2)
Das Experiment over the weekend, Solaris tonight and perhaps Bad Boys 2 sometime in the week
> Well I also saw Spirited Away at the cinema not too long ago. A film
> that had a very limited run in only a handful of cinemas, so that's
> my beardy film quota taken care of.
True. It depends on what mood I'm in for the film I want to watch. Sometimes I like serious stuff (hence Irreversible) sometimes I want to stitch off and be entertained (Jeepers Creepers 2)
Das Experiment over the weekend, Solaris tonight and perhaps Bad Boys 2 sometime in the week
Well I also saw Spirited Away at the cinema not too long ago. A film that had a very limited run in only a handful of cinemas, so that's my beardy film quota taken care of.
Totoro wrote:
> But, if you were talking about cinema only, I'd have to say the only
> one recently would be Kill Bill. I tend to wait for many films to
> come out on region 1 dvd, as cinema prices for a few people going add
> up to much more than the price of the dvd.
> Obviously though there are some films that benefit greatly from
> seeing them on the big screen that I'll go and see; Matrix
> Revolutions and Return of the King for example.
Admittedly these two are slightly better than Chalies Angles and the Italian Job remake, but they are still "event" movies. Hell, I enjoyed the first Charlies Angles (haven't see the second) and hated the Italian Job, but if people want to see them why not?
Who are you to critizise?
> But, if you were talking about cinema only, I'd have to say the only
> one recently would be Kill Bill. I tend to wait for many films to
> come out on region 1 dvd, as cinema prices for a few people going add
> up to much more than the price of the dvd.
> Obviously though there are some films that benefit greatly from
> seeing them on the big screen that I'll go and see; Matrix
> Revolutions and Return of the King for example.
Admittedly these two are slightly better than Chalies Angles and the Italian Job remake, but they are still "event" movies. Hell, I enjoyed the first Charlies Angles (haven't see the second) and hated the Italian Job, but if people want to see them why not?
Who are you to critizise?
But, if you were talking about cinema only, I'd have to say the only one recently would be Kill Bill. I tend to wait for many films to come out on region 1 dvd, as cinema prices for a few people going add up to much more than the price of the dvd.
Obviously though there are some films that benefit greatly from seeing them on the big screen that I'll go and see; Matrix Revolutions and Return of the King for example.
Obviously though there are some films that benefit greatly from seeing them on the big screen that I'll go and see; Matrix Revolutions and Return of the King for example.
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