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Im talking about great people here everybody, not the tweenies cos there furry or anything like that...
Mine would me
Nelson Mandela - His beliefs and how he stood up for them
Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) - He wasn't afraid to be himself
Che Guevara - He was an inspiring revolutionary
Tony Hawk - Hes got guts and is all about youth and risk
All these men are/were GREAT in many peoples opinions.
They stand for what I stand for.
I respect them.
Mine would me
Nelson Mandela - His beliefs and how he stood up for them
Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) - He wasn't afraid to be himself
Che Guevara - He was an inspiring revolutionary
Tony Hawk - Hes got guts and is all about youth and risk
All these men are/were GREAT in many peoples opinions.
They stand for what I stand for.
I respect them.
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I respect people yes but I don't idolise people. I respect my friends and so on but I feel idolising someone just detracts from individuality. I mean idols always have very strong images, points of view and so on which make them stand out from the crowd and these views can easily influence people. I don't like the idea of idolising someone elses life and letting them influence you because in the end I think you have to make you're own choices in life no matter how trivial. For example people who idolise Jennifer Aniston are more likely to go on the Atkins Diet despite the warnings. Respecting people for their accomplishments and so on is one thing but I don't idolise anyone because I don't believe in it.
Sorry i'm so inarticulate but I hope you get the jist of my opinion:)
Sorry i'm so inarticulate but I hope you get the jist of my opinion:)
Idols?
Stephen Hawking - A modern day einstein who can explain his theories to the lamen with such enthusiasm and wonder.
Ray Mears - His passion for all things to do with survival, the natural world and his respect and admiration for people who live minimilistically and harmoniously with the land around them, are inspiring.
Bruce Lee - His relentless dedication to his Art, his journey to gain a deeper understanding of the capabilities of the human body, mind and spirit, and his constant quest to better himself, make almost all of westerners will power appear weak and subdued.
Olaf Stapledon - An author with an inconceivably vast imagination, an ability to describe the universe around us in its perceived entirety, and challenge the human mind to take in the enormity of the scale presented.
Stephen Hawking - A modern day einstein who can explain his theories to the lamen with such enthusiasm and wonder.
Ray Mears - His passion for all things to do with survival, the natural world and his respect and admiration for people who live minimilistically and harmoniously with the land around them, are inspiring.
Bruce Lee - His relentless dedication to his Art, his journey to gain a deeper understanding of the capabilities of the human body, mind and spirit, and his constant quest to better himself, make almost all of westerners will power appear weak and subdued.
Olaf Stapledon - An author with an inconceivably vast imagination, an ability to describe the universe around us in its perceived entirety, and challenge the human mind to take in the enormity of the scale presented.
I've given this a lot of thought, and I've arrived at the conclusion that I don't really admire/idolize anybody. People are sh*t.
I've never had or wanted to have any idols.
There's people I admire, sure, but no-one I idolise.
Except Bucky O'Hare, perhaps.
I'd never like to say "Ooh! I wanna be just like him" because that's pretty much cut 90% of my options out of my life. Then all the tough decisions I make would probably be decided on whether Mr. X did it or not.
Not a good way to go.
There's people I admire, sure, but no-one I idolise.
Except Bucky O'Hare, perhaps.
I'd never like to say "Ooh! I wanna be just like him" because that's pretty much cut 90% of my options out of my life. Then all the tough decisions I make would probably be decided on whether Mr. X did it or not.
Not a good way to go.
Belldandy wrote:
> I should have said they're more people I respect than idolise, though
> I'd point out to Lindgren and Black Glove that it's easy to take
> aaprt those respected by others when you yourselves make little
> comment on who YOU respect.
I respect your thoughts and who you choose to admire, I just think that in the wake of 911 the Bush administration missed a huge, epoch-making opportunity to 'truly change' the world. If they'd chosen a path of determined non-violence in the pursuit of peace and understanding - what an example that would of set. But anyway, who do I admire: I'll think about it and post later.
> I should have said they're more people I respect than idolise, though
> I'd point out to Lindgren and Black Glove that it's easy to take
> aaprt those respected by others when you yourselves make little
> comment on who YOU respect.
I respect your thoughts and who you choose to admire, I just think that in the wake of 911 the Bush administration missed a huge, epoch-making opportunity to 'truly change' the world. If they'd chosen a path of determined non-violence in the pursuit of peace and understanding - what an example that would of set. But anyway, who do I admire: I'll think about it and post later.
However I know he has faults, as do all people. Che Guevara was responsible for the deaths of others, yet no one comments on him and his image has become used on numerous t-shirts and products which are sold for profit. Churchill likewise made decisions which led to people dying.
Sure, some people are to be respected for pursuing peace, but peace is all in the interpretation. Just because there is no conflict does not mean there is no peace - Nelson Mandela, before the fall of apartheit, would have been considered a terrorist by the ruling powers. Chamberlain made peace with Hitler, Stalin made peace with Hitler. Just because you think there is peace does not mean there is.
People are fallible, I guarantee that, with a little google, or actual proper research anyone could find fault with any person any of us cares to name.
Sure, some people are to be respected for pursuing peace, but peace is all in the interpretation. Just because there is no conflict does not mean there is no peace - Nelson Mandela, before the fall of apartheit, would have been considered a terrorist by the ruling powers. Chamberlain made peace with Hitler, Stalin made peace with Hitler. Just because you think there is peace does not mean there is.
People are fallible, I guarantee that, with a little google, or actual proper research anyone could find fault with any person any of us cares to name.
I should have said they're more people I respect than idolise, though I'd point out to Lindgren and Black Glove that it's easy to take aaprt those respected by others when you yourselves make little comment on who YOU respect.
hm. Like others, I don't idolise anyone, but people I look up to:
Shakespeare
The dude with the quill. Always one for hiding politics in prose so that he wouldn't get his head chopped off for calling the queen stupid.
Optimus Prime
Valiant to the end. What do you mean he wasn't real?
Grix/Darren
I could never be as weird or as interesting as this guy...or should that be guys?
Shakespeare
The dude with the quill. Always one for hiding politics in prose so that he wouldn't get his head chopped off for calling the queen stupid.
Optimus Prime
Valiant to the end. What do you mean he wasn't real?
Grix/Darren
I could never be as weird or as interesting as this guy...or should that be guys?
Black Glove wrote:
> Belldandy wrote:
> George W Bush - for doing what was right where so many others
> through
> history have taken the lesser path or backed down. For having the
> courage to do what others had talked about, for taking decisive
> action when it had to be taken, for never relenting in the face of
> criticism and for unswerving belief in his actions.
>
> A true leader is a peacemaker.
> Imagine if Bush had responded to the tradegy of 911 with a policy of
> non-violence and had stated pubicly that his presidential purpose,
> his life purpose was to solve the Middle East problem and the causes
> of the ill-will.
> Imagine there was a "The violence and suffering stops here"
> speech or something of that ilk. Just imagine. What a great leader he
> would be.
>
> I know this is naive, but how you can idolize something who orders
> death is beyond me.
I fully agree with you Black Glove. George Bush is an example of all things wrong with human nature in my opinion.
> Belldandy wrote:
> George W Bush - for doing what was right where so many others
> through
> history have taken the lesser path or backed down. For having the
> courage to do what others had talked about, for taking decisive
> action when it had to be taken, for never relenting in the face of
> criticism and for unswerving belief in his actions.
>
> A true leader is a peacemaker.
> Imagine if Bush had responded to the tradegy of 911 with a policy of
> non-violence and had stated pubicly that his presidential purpose,
> his life purpose was to solve the Middle East problem and the causes
> of the ill-will.
> Imagine there was a "The violence and suffering stops here"
> speech or something of that ilk. Just imagine. What a great leader he
> would be.
>
> I know this is naive, but how you can idolize something who orders
> death is beyond me.
I fully agree with you Black Glove. George Bush is an example of all things wrong with human nature in my opinion.
Belldandy wrote:
> George W Bush - for doing what was right where so many others through
> history have taken the lesser path or backed down. For having the
> courage to do what others had talked about, for taking decisive
> action when it had to be taken, for never relenting in the face of
> criticism and for unswerving belief in his actions.
A true leader is a peacemaker.
Imagine if Bush had responded to the tradegy of 911 with a policy of non-violence and had stated pubicly that his presidential purpose, his life purpose was to solve the Middle East problem and the causes of the ill-will.
Imagine there was a "The violence and suffering stops here" speech or something of that ilk. Just imagine. What a great leader he would be.
I know this is naive, but how you can idolize something who orders death is beyond me.
> George W Bush - for doing what was right where so many others through
> history have taken the lesser path or backed down. For having the
> courage to do what others had talked about, for taking decisive
> action when it had to be taken, for never relenting in the face of
> criticism and for unswerving belief in his actions.
A true leader is a peacemaker.
Imagine if Bush had responded to the tradegy of 911 with a policy of non-violence and had stated pubicly that his presidential purpose, his life purpose was to solve the Middle East problem and the causes of the ill-will.
Imagine there was a "The violence and suffering stops here" speech or something of that ilk. Just imagine. What a great leader he would be.
I know this is naive, but how you can idolize something who orders death is beyond me.
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