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Well thats what Peter Kenyon must be thinking! and he must be pretty damn sure as reports have just emerged he has quit man utd to join chelsea!
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Oh and while we are on about it, chelsea were self sufficient bar the debt- which was all long term construction loans. Now i think most people would agree that chelsea have secured themselves a long term top 4 position, even if they don't think we'll win the league, we also have an additional 15mill per season to help cover the wages that we only had in one season before this.
I knew this would happen.. chelski fans heads grow and the others argue that they don't deserve the title :D
Ashley wrote:
> the title wasn't suppose to be genuine! tongue in cheek mate! it was
> only supposed to be a reflection of the workings of peter kenyons
> mind.
just wondering the logic, and a mild suggestion of why he moved.
Chelsea are a private company now so that was probably a large part of the motivation, as united's major share holders are a bunch of gimps, and probably pisssed him of no end.
he probably thought chelsea have a good chance for the future and so it was worth a gamble, because the rewards if we suceed both financial and in terms of job freedom are less restrictive at chelsea
> the title wasn't suppose to be genuine! tongue in cheek mate! it was
> only supposed to be a reflection of the workings of peter kenyons
> mind.
just wondering the logic, and a mild suggestion of why he moved.
Chelsea are a private company now so that was probably a large part of the motivation, as united's major share holders are a bunch of gimps, and probably pisssed him of no end.
he probably thought chelsea have a good chance for the future and so it was worth a gamble, because the rewards if we suceed both financial and in terms of job freedom are less restrictive at chelsea
the title wasn't suppose to be genuine! tongue in cheek mate! it was only supposed to be a reflection of the workings of peter kenyons mind. I'm not gonna debate that man utd are currently the best team in the league and have been so for about ten years, everyone knows its true. same as currently the best to players in the premiership are at arsenal. Until such evidence to prove contary these facts haven't changed.
Sorry but this topic heading really did make me burst out laughing. Biggest and best in England? I don't think so. Exactly what have you done to earn that title? Just because some Russian with more money than sense starts splashing cash around like there's no tomorrow you're suddenly the best team in England? I don't think so.
I don't know about anyone else but i measure success on how many things you win and so far Chelsea haven't won anything. Have you won 8 league titles in the last 11 years? Have you won a Champions League trophy in the last 5 years? Have you managed to reach at least the quarter finals in that competition for the last 8 years i think it is? No i don't think you have so don't say you are the biggest and the best because that is just a load of rubbish.
All you do have is a very generous chairman at the moment. You start to win trophies then i'll take you seriously but at the moment you're just some real life fantasy team that's struggled to beat Leicester and drew against Blackburn. The signings don't even impress me that much. Out of all of them i'd only like to have seen Duff and Crespo and maybe Johnson because of his youth at Old Trafford.
But still we will find out this year whether you are the 'biggest' and the 'best' if you manage to win the Premiership and do well in the Champions League, but until then please don't make quite frankly crazy statements which have about as much truth in them as if i said Arsenal will win the fair play award this year.
I don't know about anyone else but i measure success on how many things you win and so far Chelsea haven't won anything. Have you won 8 league titles in the last 11 years? Have you won a Champions League trophy in the last 5 years? Have you managed to reach at least the quarter finals in that competition for the last 8 years i think it is? No i don't think you have so don't say you are the biggest and the best because that is just a load of rubbish.
All you do have is a very generous chairman at the moment. You start to win trophies then i'll take you seriously but at the moment you're just some real life fantasy team that's struggled to beat Leicester and drew against Blackburn. The signings don't even impress me that much. Out of all of them i'd only like to have seen Duff and Crespo and maybe Johnson because of his youth at Old Trafford.
But still we will find out this year whether you are the 'biggest' and the 'best' if you manage to win the Premiership and do well in the Champions League, but until then please don't make quite frankly crazy statements which have about as much truth in them as if i said Arsenal will win the fair play award this year.
Have to disagree with a few of those issues, lets say for one moment that Roman abramovich got bored after, just 2 seasons, lets face it, if it happened and it won't its more likely to be well over ten, but i honestly believe he has bought it for life. What would he gain from selling it? ooh a couple of hundred million he doesn't care does he? Lets face it he bought chelsea for 2 reasons:
Firstly and less impportantly he bought it as a hobby he is a sports fan and he is there to have fun, the ice hockey team in russia is proof of this, he has spent loads on them and not ditched them.
Secondly and far more importantly he bought chelsea to raise his profile, He is an extremely rich man who previously shunned the limelight, the main reason he bought chelsea was so he could have a door way to meeting the rich and poweful of britain, it raises his profile and offers him extra security, Once he has powerful friends he also has extra security back home, fresh in the knowledge that people will be wary of his powerful contacts and this will offer him extra security if he was ever to be investigated, secondly blending with the rich social elite of brtain allows the prospect of additional business deals and this in turn makes chelsea a worth wile investment.
The next issue to consider is your ludicrous claim that we will be decimated if RA left us......and why is this exactly? we had almost £100 million of debt before RA came and now this is gone. We have a squad, which was previously worth about 50-65 mill now its worth about 135-140 mill.these are assets, if roman walked away we would have no debt and far more valuable assets, and a more talented squad. and don't forget He won't just go "hey everybody i am off", he will have to find a buyer for the club, and even if the buyer is not as loaded as RA they are still taking over a debt free football club, with a talented playing squad, and high value, tot to mention some of the best none footballing assets in the league (the hotels and the likes slap bang in the centre of london).
"but the high wage bill" i hear you cry. What are you on about. lets look at the facts.
Players in:
Johnson 10k, geremi 20k, Duff 60k, Bridge 30k, veron 90k, cole 30k, crespo 80k, mutu 50k, makalele 50k, ambrosio 6k, macho 7k terry and gallas increased wages+ 30k
450k a week has been added to the wage bill this translates to about an extra 23 mill a year.
but then you have to consider:
Players out:
De goey 25k, Morris 10k, ferrer 20k, Bosnich 40k, Le saux 20k,
so lets knock of 115 k of that total (6 million)
That means chelsea will have an increased wage bill of 17 million pounds.
But then we have to consider the likely out goings from chelsea in the next year.
The likely departure
Bogarde is a guaranteed departure (8 months time)so that is another 2mill+ of the wage bill.
Stanic and zenden are likely to be off as well 50k the pair (2.5 mill)
Desailly has retiement ahead of him , there goes another 40k/2mill
And most significantly if chelsea needed to cut costs hasselbaink will be first out the door, and probably will anyway even if we don't need to get rid of him, as we have alot of choice anyway.(though i don';t want him to as i still think he can perform at top level gain) there goes another 3.5 mill a year.
just from the removal of those five players all off which have less than 2 years left on their contracts ten mill is swiped of their wage bill not to mention zenden and hasselbaink can still command significant transfer fees.
Assuming RA has closed his wallet for the time being and abandons us, our wage bill will only be 6 or 7 mill a year higher than before and we will have far more assets.
Next issue: Youth
It is nice to see your young players suceed and admittedly chelsea will more than likely see there youth policy damaged by high profile signings from abroad, but it is worth remebering that as our reputation grows we will be the club that young players aspire to play for, the new theatre of dreams. we will be able to attract the best youngsters and hopefully the truly talented ones will make it through. the detriment of youth policy is a common feature of clubs that become successful, look at Man utd John O'shea is the world class player to come out of their youth system since the amazing 93-95 generation that man utd have lived their success off. Wes brown is the next closest thing they have had, pretty much every person since the nevilles, beckham,butt, giggs and scholes era has been bought. Arsenal have only brought ashley cole through since they reached the top, even the big clubs such as real madrid who saw there fortunes revived in the 90's have not had the greatest success bringing young players through once they reached the peak of their success, with Casillas and Pavon the only real breakthroughs of note since their champions league success in 1997/1998.
I would love to see C.cole given more of a chance as it is clear to see he is a classy player, but as with all top clubs young players often suffer, hopefully he will have made enough of an impression to give himself a chance for the future as i would be very sad to see us ruin his career.
"You paid over the odds" was another of your claims. For who?
AS far as i am concerned there were only 2 players whom we really paid over the market value for,duff and Makalele (but only considering his age), however this is easily off set by the fact they are 2 of the best at their positions in the world and will easily become essential parts of the chelsea team, and when money is no object the fee is justified.
Whether you like it or not chelsea are the biggest financial force now in football and your pessimistic attitude does you know favours, on paper we all know in are hearts that chelsea are easily the strongest group of players in the land, whether or not they are the best team or not is something they have not had the season to prove. Roman has spawned a new type of football team, we have seen the league can be bought on a smaller scale (man utd of recent years, arguably blackburn), plenty of other examples on the continent. The question is what results can huge scale investment bring?
Firstly and less impportantly he bought it as a hobby he is a sports fan and he is there to have fun, the ice hockey team in russia is proof of this, he has spent loads on them and not ditched them.
Secondly and far more importantly he bought chelsea to raise his profile, He is an extremely rich man who previously shunned the limelight, the main reason he bought chelsea was so he could have a door way to meeting the rich and poweful of britain, it raises his profile and offers him extra security, Once he has powerful friends he also has extra security back home, fresh in the knowledge that people will be wary of his powerful contacts and this will offer him extra security if he was ever to be investigated, secondly blending with the rich social elite of brtain allows the prospect of additional business deals and this in turn makes chelsea a worth wile investment.
The next issue to consider is your ludicrous claim that we will be decimated if RA left us......and why is this exactly? we had almost £100 million of debt before RA came and now this is gone. We have a squad, which was previously worth about 50-65 mill now its worth about 135-140 mill.these are assets, if roman walked away we would have no debt and far more valuable assets, and a more talented squad. and don't forget He won't just go "hey everybody i am off", he will have to find a buyer for the club, and even if the buyer is not as loaded as RA they are still taking over a debt free football club, with a talented playing squad, and high value, tot to mention some of the best none footballing assets in the league (the hotels and the likes slap bang in the centre of london).
"but the high wage bill" i hear you cry. What are you on about. lets look at the facts.
Players in:
Johnson 10k, geremi 20k, Duff 60k, Bridge 30k, veron 90k, cole 30k, crespo 80k, mutu 50k, makalele 50k, ambrosio 6k, macho 7k terry and gallas increased wages+ 30k
450k a week has been added to the wage bill this translates to about an extra 23 mill a year.
but then you have to consider:
Players out:
De goey 25k, Morris 10k, ferrer 20k, Bosnich 40k, Le saux 20k,
so lets knock of 115 k of that total (6 million)
That means chelsea will have an increased wage bill of 17 million pounds.
But then we have to consider the likely out goings from chelsea in the next year.
The likely departure
Bogarde is a guaranteed departure (8 months time)so that is another 2mill+ of the wage bill.
Stanic and zenden are likely to be off as well 50k the pair (2.5 mill)
Desailly has retiement ahead of him , there goes another 40k/2mill
And most significantly if chelsea needed to cut costs hasselbaink will be first out the door, and probably will anyway even if we don't need to get rid of him, as we have alot of choice anyway.(though i don';t want him to as i still think he can perform at top level gain) there goes another 3.5 mill a year.
just from the removal of those five players all off which have less than 2 years left on their contracts ten mill is swiped of their wage bill not to mention zenden and hasselbaink can still command significant transfer fees.
Assuming RA has closed his wallet for the time being and abandons us, our wage bill will only be 6 or 7 mill a year higher than before and we will have far more assets.
Next issue: Youth
It is nice to see your young players suceed and admittedly chelsea will more than likely see there youth policy damaged by high profile signings from abroad, but it is worth remebering that as our reputation grows we will be the club that young players aspire to play for, the new theatre of dreams. we will be able to attract the best youngsters and hopefully the truly talented ones will make it through. the detriment of youth policy is a common feature of clubs that become successful, look at Man utd John O'shea is the world class player to come out of their youth system since the amazing 93-95 generation that man utd have lived their success off. Wes brown is the next closest thing they have had, pretty much every person since the nevilles, beckham,butt, giggs and scholes era has been bought. Arsenal have only brought ashley cole through since they reached the top, even the big clubs such as real madrid who saw there fortunes revived in the 90's have not had the greatest success bringing young players through once they reached the peak of their success, with Casillas and Pavon the only real breakthroughs of note since their champions league success in 1997/1998.
I would love to see C.cole given more of a chance as it is clear to see he is a classy player, but as with all top clubs young players often suffer, hopefully he will have made enough of an impression to give himself a chance for the future as i would be very sad to see us ruin his career.
"You paid over the odds" was another of your claims. For who?
AS far as i am concerned there were only 2 players whom we really paid over the market value for,duff and Makalele (but only considering his age), however this is easily off set by the fact they are 2 of the best at their positions in the world and will easily become essential parts of the chelsea team, and when money is no object the fee is justified.
Whether you like it or not chelsea are the biggest financial force now in football and your pessimistic attitude does you know favours, on paper we all know in are hearts that chelsea are easily the strongest group of players in the land, whether or not they are the best team or not is something they have not had the season to prove. Roman has spawned a new type of football team, we have seen the league can be bought on a smaller scale (man utd of recent years, arguably blackburn), plenty of other examples on the continent. The question is what results can huge scale investment bring?
That was shocking - you got Smertin for £3 millions and then loaned him out to Portsmouth. If I didn't know better I'd say there was something dodgy going on there.
What I don't understand is why buy players for the sake of buying them? Some of them will only play a handful of games and Chelsea have a big enough squad to field two separate sides now.
What's the point? Ok, get a few good players to bolster your squad but stupid large scale spending? How does that work? Surely you're supposed to improve with your existing players rather than have a new squad?
Why doesn't he just buy the whole of the Premiership? It's not as if he hasn't got enough money for it. I don't think Chelsea will win the title this season but it'll be interesting to see how they do.
What I don't understand is why buy players for the sake of buying them? Some of them will only play a handful of games and Chelsea have a big enough squad to field two separate sides now.
What's the point? Ok, get a few good players to bolster your squad but stupid large scale spending? How does that work? Surely you're supposed to improve with your existing players rather than have a new squad?
Why doesn't he just buy the whole of the Premiership? It's not as if he hasn't got enough money for it. I don't think Chelsea will win the title this season but it'll be interesting to see how they do.
I don't care what your fans think. And I think you should consider it a little more than a reaffirmation of prior dislike. I've never had a problem with Chelsea before, but their recent history is a disgrace to the game.
£100 million spent on new players, some well over-priced, all likely well overpaid. It's not even that strategic. "Buy some great players because we can", and after all your transfer dealings, and all your joy at it, it laughs in the face of your Carlton Cole talk at the close of last season. Where are his first team chelsea chances now?
As for your youth academy, why on earth would any player want to join it now? A club that can make offers for the players it wants virtually without limit, why should they go to all the trouble of working on bringing players through the ranks?
And then there are the very questionable transfers, like that russian bloke you bought and just immediately loaned him off somewhere else. He'll probably never play for Chelsea, it was done as a favour to some other Russian bigwig who was thinking of buying into another football club.
In the end, Chelsea are a joke. Every time a new player arrives, you have to wonder if there's enough room on the bench, every time a resilient club says "no" to your advances, it's a slap in the face of Abramovic saying "money can't buy everyone".
And I also laugh because I know that Roman won't be there forever. Eventually he'll get bored with the financial sinkhole that Chelsea will be, sell up and move on. And Chelsea will be left with several teams worth of players on astronomical wages and the exodus will decimate the team.
No, it will more than decimate. Decimate means to reduce by a tenth, and Chelsea will lose more than that. But in the meantime, enjoy your wealth, because success is hard to buy when nobody likes you.
£100 million spent on new players, some well over-priced, all likely well overpaid. It's not even that strategic. "Buy some great players because we can", and after all your transfer dealings, and all your joy at it, it laughs in the face of your Carlton Cole talk at the close of last season. Where are his first team chelsea chances now?
As for your youth academy, why on earth would any player want to join it now? A club that can make offers for the players it wants virtually without limit, why should they go to all the trouble of working on bringing players through the ranks?
And then there are the very questionable transfers, like that russian bloke you bought and just immediately loaned him off somewhere else. He'll probably never play for Chelsea, it was done as a favour to some other Russian bigwig who was thinking of buying into another football club.
In the end, Chelsea are a joke. Every time a new player arrives, you have to wonder if there's enough room on the bench, every time a resilient club says "no" to your advances, it's a slap in the face of Abramovic saying "money can't buy everyone".
And I also laugh because I know that Roman won't be there forever. Eventually he'll get bored with the financial sinkhole that Chelsea will be, sell up and move on. And Chelsea will be left with several teams worth of players on astronomical wages and the exodus will decimate the team.
No, it will more than decimate. Decimate means to reduce by a tenth, and Chelsea will lose more than that. But in the meantime, enjoy your wealth, because success is hard to buy when nobody likes you.
Firebrand wrote:
> So much for his supposed blind loyalty to the club. As the chair of
> one supporters trust has already said - "how sad it is that his
> loyalty was so easily bought".
>
> I now despise Chelsea on every level.
boohoo, you despise chelsea, see if we care! we have got far more stick than we deserve in recent years, you think a couple of people reaffiming their hate for us actually bothers us?
> So much for his supposed blind loyalty to the club. As the chair of
> one supporters trust has already said - "how sad it is that his
> loyalty was so easily bought".
>
> I now despise Chelsea on every level.
boohoo, you despise chelsea, see if we care! we have got far more stick than we deserve in recent years, you think a couple of people reaffiming their hate for us actually bothers us?
So much for his supposed blind loyalty to the club. As the chair of one supporters trust has already said - "how sad it is that his loyalty was so easily bought".
I now despise Chelsea on every level.
I now despise Chelsea on every level.
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