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"The plans include a new pledge to the UK"
are we turning into America now?
"The plans include a new pledge to the UK"
are we turning into America now?
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Absolutely. I actually think it's a good idea to offer people English classes, but there is no need to force them upon immigrants the second they turn up. In any case the most effective way of integrating people into our society (crap though it is) is surely to let them take jobs and learn English that way, and to let them spend real money instead of this voucher crap (if that's still going on), and actually BE part of the community instead of learning about in a classroom. It might also help if the Daily Mail/Express/whatever were burned to the ground.
One of the annoying things right now about the present system is that there are thousands of asylum seekers in the UK, who shock horror, want to work, but because their application is still being processed, they can't, which seems ludicrous, I mean to me, if you come from thousands of miles away to the UK, and after applying you want a job, then you're the kind of person we should embrace with open arms.
I second that emotion.
Agreed.
I think we should sort out the scroungers, dole-scum and benefit cheats we have that are anglo-saxon, chips eating, tv watching, fully-paid up Brits before we start cowtowing to inflammatory bile like The Daily Mail.
I think we should sort out the scroungers, dole-scum and benefit cheats we have that are anglo-saxon, chips eating, tv watching, fully-paid up Brits before we start cowtowing to inflammatory bile like The Daily Mail.
ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> I wholeheartedly agree with this immigrants thing. If you wanna live
> here, you must
>
> A) speak an acceptable amount of english
> and
> B) know a reasonable amount about our culture.
>
> yep, bring it on
Better prepare to deport a good portion of the population then....
It's a remarkably stupid idea, as I said before, it's a crowd pleaser and the kind of crap I'd expect the BNP to come up with, not our government.
More to the point, we have no culture, we knicked most of it from elsewhere and a good portion of the population doesn't care for it. I hate what we see as traditional english culture, in fact there is not a great deal I like about our culture full stop. Sure, I know about it, but to test immigrants on it seems to imply the rest of the population is equally informed, when they are not.
> I wholeheartedly agree with this immigrants thing. If you wanna live
> here, you must
>
> A) speak an acceptable amount of english
> and
> B) know a reasonable amount about our culture.
>
> yep, bring it on
Better prepare to deport a good portion of the population then....
It's a remarkably stupid idea, as I said before, it's a crowd pleaser and the kind of crap I'd expect the BNP to come up with, not our government.
More to the point, we have no culture, we knicked most of it from elsewhere and a good portion of the population doesn't care for it. I hate what we see as traditional english culture, in fact there is not a great deal I like about our culture full stop. Sure, I know about it, but to test immigrants on it seems to imply the rest of the population is equally informed, when they are not.
Speaking the language makes sense. I'd have thought lessons would be available anyway though. If not they should be!
As for culture? Well, maybe we have some, maybe we don't.
When Ortega points out the Germany 2006 thing.. the steretype of Germans abroad feeling apologetic for the war, turn that around and I'd be there apologising for the hooligans.
I probably wouldn't want to walk around in an England shirt.
The thing about these tests though, the right to vote (and to get a passport) hinges on success.
Possibly a few years down the line we could have a significant number of 'permanant residents' in the country who are denied the right to vote.
That thought concerns me.
As for culture? Well, maybe we have some, maybe we don't.
When Ortega points out the Germany 2006 thing.. the steretype of Germans abroad feeling apologetic for the war, turn that around and I'd be there apologising for the hooligans.
I probably wouldn't want to walk around in an England shirt.
The thing about these tests though, the right to vote (and to get a passport) hinges on success.
Possibly a few years down the line we could have a significant number of 'permanant residents' in the country who are denied the right to vote.
That thought concerns me.
Oh, and to see some true British culture i cant wait till Euro 2004 in portugal, but especially the 2006 world cup in Germany.
If England arnt banned from International football before then...
If England arnt banned from International football before then...
I think the whole culture thing is a load of wack, but they should be able to speak da language.
Mind you, my Grandad has been living here for about ten years and can speak as much english as i can Swahili...He first came over in the 60's mind and then went back to his homeland leaving my dad after he got married and had me!
Mind you, my Grandad has been living here for about ten years and can speak as much english as i can Swahili...He first came over in the 60's mind and then went back to his homeland leaving my dad after he got married and had me!
I wholeheartedly agree with this immigrants thing. If you wanna live here, you must
A) speak an acceptable amount of english
and
B) know a reasonable amount about our culture.
yep, bring it on
A) speak an acceptable amount of english
and
B) know a reasonable amount about our culture.
yep, bring it on
If we want to get rid of racial problems it's not the asylum seekers we should be educating...
Seriously, I think anyone who thinks this is going to solve any of the problems related to asylum seekers is quite short sighted. It's a stop gap, a feint, it fobs off a few more anti-asylum seeker people and thats it.
Even if they took it further, to basic literacy, we just had over half the 16 year olds, who for the most part lived here for 16 years, fail to come out of 11 years of education with 5 basic qualifications ! And they've spent all that time in a semi well funded and coherent program of education.
As for British history...
Seriously, I think anyone who thinks this is going to solve any of the problems related to asylum seekers is quite short sighted. It's a stop gap, a feint, it fobs off a few more anti-asylum seeker people and thats it.
Even if they took it further, to basic literacy, we just had over half the 16 year olds, who for the most part lived here for 16 years, fail to come out of 11 years of education with 5 basic qualifications ! And they've spent all that time in a semi well funded and coherent program of education.
As for British history...
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