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Sat 02/08/03 at 10:05
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Saw this film yesterday. I really have mixed feelings about it, some good and some bad. I'd been waiting 11 years to see it, so my expectations were set VERY high (I saw T2 when I was 4 :D).

Plot: Sounding like a broken record, John Connor is living off the grid, and another two terminators have been sent back through time - one to terminate him, and another to protect him. It would simply be a case of which one would reach him first. While it's similar in terms to the 2nd film, it's a good enough plot.
10/10

Script: While the scripting was relevant and explained a lot that the first two films did not, there was too much comedy in my opinion that was just irrelevant. While the whole "Talk to duh hand" thing showed that this T-101 learns also, there was just some stupid dialogue. There were some cool phrases though, pity a lot of them sounded better in the trailer :|
7/10

Acting: Arnie isn't a brilliant actor, but I thought Claire Danes and Nich Stahl did pretty well, especially the latter. Kristianna Loken was nothing special as the Terminatrix, but then she's playing a machine, so what can ye do?
7/10

Cast: The casting was done well, especially for John Connor, but I would've preferred Edward Furlong assuming the role of Connor once again. Still, what can be done? He took drugs, yadda, yadda, yadda. Kristianna Loken was nothing special as the T-X, but there could've been a lot worse people to play the part, like Chyna :|
8/10

Best bit: Arnie blowing himself and the T-X up. But wait, I thought he couldn't self terminate. Or is that an act that leads to self-termination and is therefore not counted.

Ending: It ends on a cliffhanger, which was slightly annoying. Still, we got the brilliant battle in Nevada before that, so I'll let Mostow off for that.
8/10

A good film, but a bit of a pop-corn film. I think Cameron could've made it better, but not that much better. There were some clever bits, such as the TX having her metal stripped off by the magnet etc, but it seemed as though it was appealing to a younger audience. I have one relief in that nothing was cut for the 12A release. Roll on Terminator 4, and for those of you suggesting this, it is in no way confirmed a Terminator 5 will happen, and probably will not.

Overall: 8/10
Sat 02/08/03 at 20:56
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"Its all me,me,me,me"
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Kiriyama wrote:
> >
> Plot: Sounding like a broken record, John Connor is living off the
> grid, and another two terminators have been sent back through time -
> one to terminate him, and another to protect him. It would simply be a
> case of which one would reach him first. While it's similar in terms
> to the 2nd film, it's a good enough plot.
> 10/10

actually the plot was a little diffrent. As John connor had erased all traces of his identity the Tx had been sent back to kill all his leitnetants and especially his second in comand who was the girl that arnie had been sent back to proect.

Another thing, one of you said that arnie couldnt self terminate. He didnt he took out his fuel cell and stuck it in the tx meaning he accidentally blew himself up whilst trying to blow the other up. I liked the way how arnie never actually chnaged his objective and insteda tricked them into saving themselves.

Overall i thought it was great! Not as good as T2 but i thought that it efinately equalled the matrix reloaded!

and why didnt he say "astalavista baby" when he blew up the tx!
"youve been terminated" just dosnt work!
Sat 02/08/03 at 18:30
"The Will of D."
Posts: 5,643
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING NOWADAYS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Ask me this one question and you may get an answer of sorts yourself.

How many 18 films in Cinemas have there been in the past 8 months?
How many 15's?

You see what I'm getting at here? If no then listen, since the 80's we've become too CAMP because of the generation born in the 90's. They have mixed up the meaning of COOL and CAMP and now it's just an unhappy medium which we people born in the 80's have to put up with all the time.

P.S. If I'm not making any sense to you it's either becuase you are born in the 90's or probably most people don't know what the hell I'm on about or even cares what I'm saying.
Sat 02/08/03 at 14:00
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"Puerile Shagging"
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It does make me wonder where they are going to go with the next one.

It’s gone 18+, 15+ and then 12A…so I’m guessing it will be a Disney animation PG.
Sat 02/08/03 at 13:56
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"Puerile Shagging"
Posts: 15,009
Mr Snuggly wrote:
> I was surprised it was a 12A too, it had swearing and quite a lot of
> violence.

I thought the violence was quite minimal, the only bit that I thought shouldn't be in a 12A, was the fist through the chest.
Sat 02/08/03 at 13:25
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"I am Riki Takeuchi!"
Posts: 2,988
I was kinda annoyed a lot of the violence went off-screen. I wish they would've made it a 15 like the other two (the DVD MUST be a 15), and then we could actually SEE more of the killings, like the kids at the party.
Sat 02/08/03 at 13:23
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"I am Riki Takeuchi!"
Posts: 2,988
Kyz wrote:
> I have a dvd rip of it (from turkey) it works on my ps2 but only in
> black and white so it does no favours for the film. I think I will go
> and see it at the cinemas instead.

Get a scart lead. And yes, it's worth seeing at the cinema :)
Sat 02/08/03 at 11:39
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Posts: 6,592
I was surprised it was a 12A too, it had swearing and quite a lot of violence. To me, you can't use the excuse "but they're just robots" when you're stabbing people, smashing them through buildings, windows and cars and melting their faces off. And point blank shootings too. Should have been a 15, it's amazing what they can get away with these days.

*goes off to read the Daily Mail*
Sat 02/08/03 at 11:37
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Posts: 1,126
I have a dvd rip of it (from turkey) it works on my ps2 but only in black and white so it does no favours for the film. I think I will go and see it at the cinemas instead.
Sat 02/08/03 at 11:24
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"Wants Spymate on dv"
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I saw it last night, and have to say what other people are saying; it's not as good as the masterpiece that is T2, but it's still a fine action movie.
There was some rather cheesy humour and Arnie seemed even more wooden than usual, sometimes trying to be too funny in parts when the role shouldn't really have given that much time to be a comedian, but he wasn't too bad. I was actually slightly disappointed with Arnie in it some of the time, he just didn't seem to have to cool presence he had in T2, sometimes just going through the motions.

I liked seeing the early stages of the Terminator and mini Hunter-Killer robots being developed by the scientist dudes, which helped give us some background insight into where and how the the robots were developed. The action sequences were amazing too, that truck chase ruled.

One thing I did notice was the amount of violence and swearing. There were moments that really should have made this at least a 15, possibly an 18, such as when the T-X stabbed her hand through the cop, and I distinctly heard the F-word in there too. The F-word in a 12, what is the world coming to?! Some of the fights between the two Terminators were very savage and intense too, not really suitable for youngsters. I was sitting next to some young kid yesterday, must have only been around 7 or 8, and I heard him wince a few times at some of the savage fighting bits and blood.

The first pair of sunglasses Arnie put on made the whole audience crack up too :D

All in all, from a big Terminator and Arnie fan, I'd say T3 isn't as good as T2, but still a worthy addition to the series. Jim Cameron would have made it much better, but there's always T4 to come...
Sat 02/08/03 at 11:00
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"I am Riki Takeuchi!"
Posts: 2,988
Although I think that the TX should've been scratched more in all the accidents and have bits of liquid metal come off etc.

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