The "Freeola Customer Forum" forum, which includes Retro Game Reviews, has been archived and is now read-only. You cannot post here or create a new thread or review on this forum.
Just seen an advanced preview thing. And it's an alright action film, but it's not the Terminator film I was expecting. It was two machines firing at each other.
Everyone was saying 'bout a year and a half ago that without James Cameron, this film wouldn't be good. And they were absolutely right. THis Mustow guy hasn't got a clue how to recreate the gloomy Terminator of T1 & T2.
Another thing. The character development. Clare Danes was OK, but just T2 Sarah Connor rehashed. Nick Stahl was probably the best thing about the film, being pretty much spot on with John Connor. But there was no build-up to Ah-nuld at all. No major interaction with John Connor, just special effects. Yup, you've crashed him through a building in a chase that ultimately wasn't nearly as compelling as the (much cheaper) T-1000 in a chopper chase/T-1000 in a lorry Vs Ah-nuld on his motorbike, or even Michael Beihn going crazy in a 80's crapwagon. The T-X was a gimmick, nothing more.
"Ahaha, we've got a woman, check her out." "Alright, shes fit. What next?" "Um..."
Her being able to form weapons with her hands isn't nearly as menacing as the T-1000 and his "knivvves und stabbing objeckts". Robert Patrick was superb, Kristanna Loken wasn't.
That being said, the film did have its good points. The whole "No fate but what we make for ourselves" angle is explored, and Judgement Day is well represented. Not enough though.
T3 - Nowt special.
Everyone was saying 'bout a year and a half ago that without James Cameron, this film wouldn't be good. And they were absolutely right. THis Mustow guy hasn't got a clue how to recreate the gloomy Terminator of T1 & T2.
Another thing. The character development. Clare Danes was OK, but just T2 Sarah Connor rehashed. Nick Stahl was probably the best thing about the film, being pretty much spot on with John Connor. But there was no build-up to Ah-nuld at all. No major interaction with John Connor, just special effects. Yup, you've crashed him through a building in a chase that ultimately wasn't nearly as compelling as the (much cheaper) T-1000 in a chopper chase/T-1000 in a lorry Vs Ah-nuld on his motorbike, or even Michael Beihn going crazy in a 80's crapwagon. The T-X was a gimmick, nothing more.
"Ahaha, we've got a woman, check her out." "Alright, shes fit. What next?" "Um..."
Her being able to form weapons with her hands isn't nearly as menacing as the T-1000 and his "knivvves und stabbing objeckts". Robert Patrick was superb, Kristanna Loken wasn't.
That being said, the film did have its good points. The whole "No fate but what we make for ourselves" angle is explored, and Judgement Day is well represented. Not enough though.
T3 - Nowt special.
Page:
"Talk to der hand"
I think the next trilogy of Terminator films will be quite interesting, and much more far removed from the first three. I'd expect it would be set in the future and concentrate more on the human resistance fighting skynet, which would be a great opportunity to show those huge battle scenes with Terminator exo-skelingtons that you get glimpses of in the original Terminator films.
I doubt Arnie would play much of a role though, possibly no more than a cameo. They would need to concentrate on John Conner and how he became this great leader, I think sending Arnie back in time to do all the work for him again would just spoil it.
As for Terminator 3, I'll be seeing it this weekend. I don't expect much, especially from the director of U-571, but it got Cameron's praise and that's good enough for me.
I doubt Arnie would play much of a role though, possibly no more than a cameo. They would need to concentrate on John Conner and how he became this great leader, I think sending Arnie back in time to do all the work for him again would just spoil it.
As for Terminator 3, I'll be seeing it this weekend. I don't expect much, especially from the director of U-571, but it got Cameron's praise and that's good enough for me.
Here's to Terminator 4 and 5 also, with high hopes that Arnie will be replaced by the T-1000.
Who ruled.
And "Come with me if you want to live" isn't the best line ever, it's:
"He'll live"
Who ruled.
And "Come with me if you want to live" isn't the best line ever, it's:
"He'll live"
Well, after taking in all the negative attitude even I gave it before the film, its actually really rather good (even though I've seen it before) - the cinema does make a big difference.
Its certainly better than a certain crap film that was released earlier in the year, called Matrix Reloaded.
Here's to Terminator 4 and oh 5... i heard they are planning on two more.
Its certainly better than a certain crap film that was released earlier in the year, called Matrix Reloaded.
Here's to Terminator 4 and oh 5... i heard they are planning on two more.
Just got back from it with the posse. They were all "Yeah! Great!" and one even said it was the best of the three films. I said 1 was the best, they laughed.
Anyway, not a BAD film, but god DAMN the Terminatrix was crap. A blonde woman pulling stupid faces does not a scary villain make. She needed to be deadpan, totally deadpan, like Arnie in the first one, and Patrick in the second. Her delivery of the lines was pants. There was no danger, she wasn't menacing, the idea of her being invincible didn't come across at all. Seeing Arnie unload into the T-1000 and having him keep on comin' was great, with this it was like... I dunno, just not as good.
Onto Arnie. Not enough interaction, I thought. There weren't enough instances of him SAVING the two of them, he just sort of shot at things. Him pulling Connor off his bike just before he got squashed in T2 was great, him doing pretty much nothing throughout this film wasn't. Where were the cool moments, like him gunning down all the police cars? Sure, he did that in this film, but it could've been done MUCH better. Why did they butcher "I'll be back." with "She'll be back." and "I'm back." Where was "Come with me if you want to live?" Eh? Best line ever, could've been used outside the kennel when Cathy was on the floor. Pft.
Man... I just WISH Cameron had done this, it'd be more heavily hyped, but when has he let us down? (saying Titanic doesn't count because that was MEANT to be a love story on a boat that sank, not Aliens, and even then Cameron did a good job)
Music - meh, I can understand not hiring Fiedel, but hiring the guy who did Scream? There was like two good music bits - when Arnie was gonna crush Connor, and when they realised they were in a nuclear shelter (Jesus, took them long enough to figure it out) The Terminator theme only came in during the end credits. I would've gone with Trevor Rabin (Armageddon, Deep Blue Sea, Enemy Of The State) or Alan Silvestri (Predator, Judge Dredd, Back To The Future - woo!)
So, overall, some half decent action, but it wasn't as compelling as the cheaper, older prequel or even the cheaper and older prequel to that. As I was watching it, I was thinking "How much did THAT cost? Wasn't very good" for every explosion, crash and CGI effect. "Well, it certainly is loud." came to mind several times.
T4, which should be inevitable, will hopefully cover the war. I just pray they either get a better director on board for the moodiness of it all, or this guy gets his act together. Trouble is, will they even need Arnie for T4? They can't have him as the hero AGAIN, it should be the very core of Terminator - machine vs man. So Arnie can either play one of the bad guys, have a short cameo role or not be in it at all. I love the guy, but they can't focus a film on the war on him.
Also... what was that "When I was 13 they tried again." or however it went. John Connor was 10. It was set in 1994/5. 10 years after the first. The bloomin' police computer even said he was 10, and that his birthdate was in '85. Why suddenly say he was 13 when he blatantly wasn't? Crazy...
Anyway, not a BAD film, but god DAMN the Terminatrix was crap. A blonde woman pulling stupid faces does not a scary villain make. She needed to be deadpan, totally deadpan, like Arnie in the first one, and Patrick in the second. Her delivery of the lines was pants. There was no danger, she wasn't menacing, the idea of her being invincible didn't come across at all. Seeing Arnie unload into the T-1000 and having him keep on comin' was great, with this it was like... I dunno, just not as good.
Onto Arnie. Not enough interaction, I thought. There weren't enough instances of him SAVING the two of them, he just sort of shot at things. Him pulling Connor off his bike just before he got squashed in T2 was great, him doing pretty much nothing throughout this film wasn't. Where were the cool moments, like him gunning down all the police cars? Sure, he did that in this film, but it could've been done MUCH better. Why did they butcher "I'll be back." with "She'll be back." and "I'm back." Where was "Come with me if you want to live?" Eh? Best line ever, could've been used outside the kennel when Cathy was on the floor. Pft.
Man... I just WISH Cameron had done this, it'd be more heavily hyped, but when has he let us down? (saying Titanic doesn't count because that was MEANT to be a love story on a boat that sank, not Aliens, and even then Cameron did a good job)
Music - meh, I can understand not hiring Fiedel, but hiring the guy who did Scream? There was like two good music bits - when Arnie was gonna crush Connor, and when they realised they were in a nuclear shelter (Jesus, took them long enough to figure it out) The Terminator theme only came in during the end credits. I would've gone with Trevor Rabin (Armageddon, Deep Blue Sea, Enemy Of The State) or Alan Silvestri (Predator, Judge Dredd, Back To The Future - woo!)
So, overall, some half decent action, but it wasn't as compelling as the cheaper, older prequel or even the cheaper and older prequel to that. As I was watching it, I was thinking "How much did THAT cost? Wasn't very good" for every explosion, crash and CGI effect. "Well, it certainly is loud." came to mind several times.
T4, which should be inevitable, will hopefully cover the war. I just pray they either get a better director on board for the moodiness of it all, or this guy gets his act together. Trouble is, will they even need Arnie for T4? They can't have him as the hero AGAIN, it should be the very core of Terminator - machine vs man. So Arnie can either play one of the bad guys, have a short cameo role or not be in it at all. I love the guy, but they can't focus a film on the war on him.
Also... what was that "When I was 13 they tried again." or however it went. John Connor was 10. It was set in 1994/5. 10 years after the first. The bloomin' police computer even said he was 10, and that his birthdate was in '85. Why suddenly say he was 13 when he blatantly wasn't? Crazy...
maddmun wrote:
> Round-up?
I meant of the first three films, T1 and T2 and T3. A trilogy. Plus when making the statement I didn't know the following information.
> There's more to come, hopefully including a much larger portion to the
> battles we seen occuring in T1 and T2 at the beginning (Perhaps also
> T3, but I haven't seen it yet...).
>
> Oh, and it can still go back and forth in time, right?
Is there more Terminator movies coming then? I heard there were a total of six alltogether but thought this was just a rumour. Obviously Arnie wont be returning?
> Round-up?
I meant of the first three films, T1 and T2 and T3. A trilogy. Plus when making the statement I didn't know the following information.
> There's more to come, hopefully including a much larger portion to the
> battles we seen occuring in T1 and T2 at the beginning (Perhaps also
> T3, but I haven't seen it yet...).
>
> Oh, and it can still go back and forth in time, right?
Is there more Terminator movies coming then? I heard there were a total of six alltogether but thought this was just a rumour. Obviously Arnie wont be returning?
Why? wrote:
> T3, an easy round-up of a trilogy that could have been so much better.
Round-up?
There's more to come, hopefully including a much larger portion to the battles we seen occuring in T1 and T2 at the beginning (Perhaps also T3, but I haven't seen it yet...).
Oh, and it can still go back and forth in time, right?
> T3, an easy round-up of a trilogy that could have been so much better.
Round-up?
There's more to come, hopefully including a much larger portion to the battles we seen occuring in T1 and T2 at the beginning (Perhaps also T3, but I haven't seen it yet...).
Oh, and it can still go back and forth in time, right?
!!! BEWARE !!! Spoliers within !!!
Stryke wrote:
> Everyone was saying 'bout a year and a half ago that without James
> Cameron, this film wouldn't be good. And they were absolutely right.
> THis Mustow guy hasn't got a clue how to recreate the gloomy
> Terminator of T1 & T2.
>
> Another thing. The character development. Clare Danes was OK, but just
> T2 Sarah Connor rehashed. Nick Stahl was probably the best thing about
> the film, being pretty much spot on with John Connor. But there was no
> build-up to Ah-nuld at all. No major interaction with John Connor,
> just special effects. Yup, you've crashed him through a building in a
> chase that ultimately wasn't nearly as compelling as the (much
> cheaper) T-1000 in a chopper chase/T-1000 in a lorry Vs Ah-nuld on his
> motorbike, or even Michael Beihn going crazy in a 80's crapwagon. The
> T-X was a gimmick, nothing more.
Yep, no where near as good as T1 and T2. The combat, if you could call it that, was crap. Just a few interactions with each other.
> Her being able to form weapons with her hands isn't nearly as menacing
> as the T-1000 and his "knivvves und stabbing objeckts".
> Robert Patrick was superb, Kristanna Loken wasn't.
True, Robert Patrick was brilliant as the T-1000 and gave T2 a real gloomy and dangerous feeling. He always kept coming back for more and just when you thought he was dead and buried he'd be back on the termination trail. The "Terminatrix" or "T-X" was nowhere near as spooky and just looked cheap. Once she was done for that was it, I was expecting her to re-appear some time soon but it never happened.
> That being said, the film did have its good points. The whole "No
> fate but what we make for ourselves" angle is explored, and
> Judgement Day is well represented. Not enough though.
Again I agree. However, the various moments such as when he put the sparkly glasses on and said "talk to the hand" etc. may have had the rest of the people in the cinema laughing, I was truly disappointed, terrible!
T3, an easy round-up of a trilogy that could have been so much better.
Stryke wrote:
> Everyone was saying 'bout a year and a half ago that without James
> Cameron, this film wouldn't be good. And they were absolutely right.
> THis Mustow guy hasn't got a clue how to recreate the gloomy
> Terminator of T1 & T2.
>
> Another thing. The character development. Clare Danes was OK, but just
> T2 Sarah Connor rehashed. Nick Stahl was probably the best thing about
> the film, being pretty much spot on with John Connor. But there was no
> build-up to Ah-nuld at all. No major interaction with John Connor,
> just special effects. Yup, you've crashed him through a building in a
> chase that ultimately wasn't nearly as compelling as the (much
> cheaper) T-1000 in a chopper chase/T-1000 in a lorry Vs Ah-nuld on his
> motorbike, or even Michael Beihn going crazy in a 80's crapwagon. The
> T-X was a gimmick, nothing more.
Yep, no where near as good as T1 and T2. The combat, if you could call it that, was crap. Just a few interactions with each other.
> Her being able to form weapons with her hands isn't nearly as menacing
> as the T-1000 and his "knivvves und stabbing objeckts".
> Robert Patrick was superb, Kristanna Loken wasn't.
True, Robert Patrick was brilliant as the T-1000 and gave T2 a real gloomy and dangerous feeling. He always kept coming back for more and just when you thought he was dead and buried he'd be back on the termination trail. The "Terminatrix" or "T-X" was nowhere near as spooky and just looked cheap. Once she was done for that was it, I was expecting her to re-appear some time soon but it never happened.
> That being said, the film did have its good points. The whole "No
> fate but what we make for ourselves" angle is explored, and
> Judgement Day is well represented. Not enough though.
Again I agree. However, the various moments such as when he put the sparkly glasses on and said "talk to the hand" etc. may have had the rest of the people in the cinema laughing, I was truly disappointed, terrible!
T3, an easy round-up of a trilogy that could have been so much better.
Just seen an advanced preview thing. And it's an alright action film, but it's not the Terminator film I was expecting. It was two machines firing at each other.
Everyone was saying 'bout a year and a half ago that without James Cameron, this film wouldn't be good. And they were absolutely right. THis Mustow guy hasn't got a clue how to recreate the gloomy Terminator of T1 & T2.
Another thing. The character development. Clare Danes was OK, but just T2 Sarah Connor rehashed. Nick Stahl was probably the best thing about the film, being pretty much spot on with John Connor. But there was no build-up to Ah-nuld at all. No major interaction with John Connor, just special effects. Yup, you've crashed him through a building in a chase that ultimately wasn't nearly as compelling as the (much cheaper) T-1000 in a chopper chase/T-1000 in a lorry Vs Ah-nuld on his motorbike, or even Michael Beihn going crazy in a 80's crapwagon. The T-X was a gimmick, nothing more.
"Ahaha, we've got a woman, check her out." "Alright, shes fit. What next?" "Um..."
Her being able to form weapons with her hands isn't nearly as menacing as the T-1000 and his "knivvves und stabbing objeckts". Robert Patrick was superb, Kristanna Loken wasn't.
That being said, the film did have its good points. The whole "No fate but what we make for ourselves" angle is explored, and Judgement Day is well represented. Not enough though.
T3 - Nowt special.
Everyone was saying 'bout a year and a half ago that without James Cameron, this film wouldn't be good. And they were absolutely right. THis Mustow guy hasn't got a clue how to recreate the gloomy Terminator of T1 & T2.
Another thing. The character development. Clare Danes was OK, but just T2 Sarah Connor rehashed. Nick Stahl was probably the best thing about the film, being pretty much spot on with John Connor. But there was no build-up to Ah-nuld at all. No major interaction with John Connor, just special effects. Yup, you've crashed him through a building in a chase that ultimately wasn't nearly as compelling as the (much cheaper) T-1000 in a chopper chase/T-1000 in a lorry Vs Ah-nuld on his motorbike, or even Michael Beihn going crazy in a 80's crapwagon. The T-X was a gimmick, nothing more.
"Ahaha, we've got a woman, check her out." "Alright, shes fit. What next?" "Um..."
Her being able to form weapons with her hands isn't nearly as menacing as the T-1000 and his "knivvves und stabbing objeckts". Robert Patrick was superb, Kristanna Loken wasn't.
That being said, the film did have its good points. The whole "No fate but what we make for ourselves" angle is explored, and Judgement Day is well represented. Not enough though.
T3 - Nowt special.
Page: