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Anyway, on with the Revolutions theoriers. Here's a few that've been floating around the net. Surely most of them are complete tosh, but make for interesting reading really.
- Neo is Smith's son.
- There is a Matrix within a Matrix within a Matrix and so on at every time a new Matrix is made (which is really deppreciated when you remember that the Architect said the Matrix was beginning its 7th cycle).
- The screens in the Architect's room all lead to one of Neo's different paths he could take, meaning that there are thousands of Neo's, thousands of Architects and therefore, in theory, thousands of Matrix's, all a different choice of Neo.
- Smith has evolved and now has more powers, such as flight and can match Neo (from the trailer).
- Apparently a main character will be killed. I just hope Morpheus doesn't die so Neo and Trinity can be together. It'd be better if one of the two love-birds died. Like they say, you can't cheat death twice, and that applies to both of them :D
- One of the more interesting theories is that Smith hates the Matrix and actually begins rebelling, whilst Neo begins fighting for the machines (that's the stupid part). This was sparked when many people thought Morpheus seemed surprised when he says "he fights for us", as if he was referring to Smith.
- The kid who pestered Neo is the 7th One.
Discuss.
- Neo is Smith's son.
- There is a Matrix within a Matrix within a Matrix and so on at every time a new Matrix is made (which is really deppreciated when you remember that the Architect said the Matrix was beginning its 7th cycle).
- The screens in the Architect's room all lead to one of Neo's different paths he could take, meaning that there are thousands of Neo's, thousands of Architects and therefore, in theory, thousands of Matrix's, all a different choice of Neo.
- Smith has evolved and now has more powers, such as flight and can match Neo (from the trailer).
- Apparently a main character will be killed. I just hope Morpheus doesn't die so Neo and Trinity can be together. It'd be better if one of the two love-birds died. Like they say, you can't cheat death twice, and that applies to both of them :D
- One of the more interesting theories is that Smith hates the Matrix and actually begins rebelling, whilst Neo begins fighting for the machines (that's the stupid part). This was sparked when many people thought Morpheus seemed surprised when he says "he fights for us", as if he was referring to Smith.
- The kid who pestered Neo is the 7th One.
Discuss.
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"This goes deep, so follow me if you will:
The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the screen shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98".
The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have passed!
If you watch the movie again, you'll see that the time sequence implies that they found Neo shortly after that initial conversation (a few months after 2-18-98 at most).
Significant? Yes; I propose that Reloaded and Revolutions (which we know occur one after another), take place between 2-18-98 and 9-18-99. Here's why:
Only a few months could have passed from the time Morpheus and the crew 'free' Neo to the time Neo is killed and revived in the hallway. Why? for one, Neo's hair barely grows in that time and that's not a trivial observation (it's also obvious that Neo grew out his hair in Reloaded which occurs roughly 6 months after he's unplugged).
We also know the W brothers don't put insignificant things into their movies - the fact that they obviously signal to us that 19 months have passed from the start of the Matrix to the time Neo makes that phone call is there for a reason.
In Reloaded, Neo says that "I wish I knew what I was supposed to do". The phone call scene in the Matrix, Neo is very sure of what he is supposed to do, "I'm going to hang up this phone and show these people what you don't want them to see... a world without you, without controls and boundries". Why would he have forgotten what to do between M1 and M2? he didn't, that last scene in M1 occurs after Revolutions!
Finally, at the end of M1, Neo states that "I can feel you now, you are scared". At the end of Reloaded he says, "Something is different, I can FEEL them now".
One more thing. A game directed by the W brothers called Matrix online is due in '04 and the timeframe takes place after Revolutions... and the matrix is alive and well in the game.
My guess is that there is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix because they can't unplug everyone at once and we'll see Neo make that very same phone call at the end of Revolutions!"
From MRM at the Zion Switchboard forum. Makes sense, having seen the original just now. Whoa.
The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the screen shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98".
The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have passed!
If you watch the movie again, you'll see that the time sequence implies that they found Neo shortly after that initial conversation (a few months after 2-18-98 at most).
Significant? Yes; I propose that Reloaded and Revolutions (which we know occur one after another), take place between 2-18-98 and 9-18-99. Here's why:
Only a few months could have passed from the time Morpheus and the crew 'free' Neo to the time Neo is killed and revived in the hallway. Why? for one, Neo's hair barely grows in that time and that's not a trivial observation (it's also obvious that Neo grew out his hair in Reloaded which occurs roughly 6 months after he's unplugged).
We also know the W brothers don't put insignificant things into their movies - the fact that they obviously signal to us that 19 months have passed from the start of the Matrix to the time Neo makes that phone call is there for a reason.
In Reloaded, Neo says that "I wish I knew what I was supposed to do". The phone call scene in the Matrix, Neo is very sure of what he is supposed to do, "I'm going to hang up this phone and show these people what you don't want them to see... a world without you, without controls and boundries". Why would he have forgotten what to do between M1 and M2? he didn't, that last scene in M1 occurs after Revolutions!
Finally, at the end of M1, Neo states that "I can feel you now, you are scared". At the end of Reloaded he says, "Something is different, I can FEEL them now".
One more thing. A game directed by the W brothers called Matrix online is due in '04 and the timeframe takes place after Revolutions... and the matrix is alive and well in the game.
My guess is that there is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix because they can't unplug everyone at once and we'll see Neo make that very same phone call at the end of Revolutions!"
From MRM at the Zion Switchboard forum. Makes sense, having seen the original just now. Whoa.
Yeah, that does make sense - one of the criticisms I read on a board was that Neo didn't do or allude to any of the things said in that phone call at the end of Matrix 1, but that makes sense if that is indeed the end.
Hmmmm, interesting, very interesting...
Hmmmm, interesting, very interesting...
i agree, well done blokey, seems plausible.
if you're wrong though, expect many years of pointing and laughing
if you're wrong though, expect many years of pointing and laughing
El Blokey wrote:
> My guess is that there is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix
> because they can't unplug everyone at once and we'll see Neo make that
> very same phone call at the end of Revolutions!"
one observation though, how do you know that this will occur at the END of revolutions? it may happen at some point during the film, meaning the climax to it all is still unknown
> My guess is that there is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix
> because they can't unplug everyone at once and we'll see Neo make that
> very same phone call at the end of Revolutions!"
one observation though, how do you know that this will occur at the END of revolutions? it may happen at some point during the film, meaning the climax to it all is still unknown
"From MRM at the Zion Switchboard forum."
My theory is that the 'real' world is inside the matrix and that the real world is basically how it is today and the matrix was created by Scott Evil and his evil labs and that Matrix 4 will be Austin Powers 4.
the_aoe_slaught wrote:
> My theory is that the 'real' world is inside the matrix and that the
> real world is basically how it is today and the matrix was created by
> Scott Evil and his evil labs and that Matrix 4 will be Austin Powers
> 4.
hang your head in shame and stand over there ....
over THERE .....
:D
> My theory is that the 'real' world is inside the matrix and that the
> real world is basically how it is today and the matrix was created by
> Scott Evil and his evil labs and that Matrix 4 will be Austin Powers
> 4.
hang your head in shame and stand over there ....
over THERE .....
:D
Saying that El Blokey, the bit where Neo says in the phone conversation 'I can feel you now' could just mean he can feel where they are in the Matrix, as exemplified by his actions at the beginning of Reloaded.
Ha! A flaw. I think the speculating is fun, but where just going to have to wait till November to see the real outcome...
Ha! A flaw. I think the speculating is fun, but where just going to have to wait till November to see the real outcome...
Borat Sagdiyev wrote:
> the_aoe_slaught wrote:
> My theory is that the 'real' world is inside the matrix and that the
> real world is basically how it is today and the matrix was created
> by
> Scott Evil and his evil labs and that Matrix 4 will be Austin Powers
> 4.
>
> hang your head in shame and stand over there ....
>
>
>
>
> over THERE .....
>
> :D
But it's a good theory...
> the_aoe_slaught wrote:
> My theory is that the 'real' world is inside the matrix and that the
> real world is basically how it is today and the matrix was created
> by
> Scott Evil and his evil labs and that Matrix 4 will be Austin Powers
> 4.
>
> hang your head in shame and stand over there ....
>
>
>
>
> over THERE .....
>
> :D
But it's a good theory...
El Blokey wrote:
> The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the screen
> shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98".
>
> The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is
> initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have
> passed!
One thing though, when Morpheus tells Neo about the Matrix, one line is:
"You believe that it is the year 1999, when in fact, it's closer to 2199"
Therefore, either it took at least 10 months for them to get to filming that part, and the Wachowski brothers are idiots who haven't realised that they've used the actual date they filmed it on, or Morpheus doesn't know his dates.
Also, Reloaded is set at least 6 months after the original, as they say they've unplugged more people in the last 6 months than in the last 6 years (Because of Neo making it easier etc).
But, of course, I may be wrong.
> The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the screen
> shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98".
>
> The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is
> initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have
> passed!
One thing though, when Morpheus tells Neo about the Matrix, one line is:
"You believe that it is the year 1999, when in fact, it's closer to 2199"
Therefore, either it took at least 10 months for them to get to filming that part, and the Wachowski brothers are idiots who haven't realised that they've used the actual date they filmed it on, or Morpheus doesn't know his dates.
Also, Reloaded is set at least 6 months after the original, as they say they've unplugged more people in the last 6 months than in the last 6 years (Because of Neo making it easier etc).
But, of course, I may be wrong.
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