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[URL]http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news.asp?id=-1079590496[/URL]
The person writing the article isn't at all biased ... '... pity he didn't drown in it' ..
The person writing the article isn't at all biased ... '... pity he didn't drown in it' ..
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Corazon wrote:
> You'd have to look that up yourself. I only remember it because
> i used to believe the same argument, that the death penalty was
> a good thing as a deterrent. I was suprised when i found out it
> wasn't.
For every bit of research proving the death penalty doesnt work, I bet contradicting evidence exists too.
This isnt something we'll ever prove. Theres just too many variables to sort through. And those people that try to do so usually have already taken a moral judgement on the matter and amazingly produce facts to back it up.
> EDIT
> This wasn't it but you get the idea. The brutalizing effect is
> very interesting. I guess if you're in a tough place that
> punishes you harshly, you're more likely to do whatever it takes
> to not get caught.
> [URL]http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/deterrence.html[/URL]
And heres a great example of it. Amnesty International...hmm...I wonder what their opinion of the death penalty is going to be. ;) And oh look, heres the "proof" that the study was totally flawed. [URL]http://www.dpinfo.com/death_penalty_and_deterrence.htm[/URL]
I think its just one of these subjects you take a moral judgement on and thats it. Anybody waving around facts and figures proving it one way or another is deluding themselves. :)
I must admit its an issue I cant decide on myself. I dont like the idea of killing another human being. Yet, I think of people like Myra Hindley (already dead anyway) & Ian Brady and ask myself why were they ever kept alive. They certainly werent deserving of it.
> You'd have to look that up yourself. I only remember it because
> i used to believe the same argument, that the death penalty was
> a good thing as a deterrent. I was suprised when i found out it
> wasn't.
For every bit of research proving the death penalty doesnt work, I bet contradicting evidence exists too.
This isnt something we'll ever prove. Theres just too many variables to sort through. And those people that try to do so usually have already taken a moral judgement on the matter and amazingly produce facts to back it up.
> EDIT
> This wasn't it but you get the idea. The brutalizing effect is
> very interesting. I guess if you're in a tough place that
> punishes you harshly, you're more likely to do whatever it takes
> to not get caught.
> [URL]http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/deterrence.html[/URL]
And heres a great example of it. Amnesty International...hmm...I wonder what their opinion of the death penalty is going to be. ;) And oh look, heres the "proof" that the study was totally flawed. [URL]http://www.dpinfo.com/death_penalty_and_deterrence.htm[/URL]
I think its just one of these subjects you take a moral judgement on and thats it. Anybody waving around facts and figures proving it one way or another is deluding themselves. :)
I must admit its an issue I cant decide on myself. I dont like the idea of killing another human being. Yet, I think of people like Myra Hindley (already dead anyway) & Ian Brady and ask myself why were they ever kept alive. They certainly werent deserving of it.
Garin wrote:
> Corazon wrote:
> This thing about lowering crime rates because of the death
> penalty was proven to be nonsense a long time ago.
>
> Just as a matter of curiosity, when and how was it proven?
You'd have to look that up yourself. I only remember it because i used to believe the same argument, that the death penalty was a good thing as a deterrent. I was suprised when i found out it wasn't.
EDIT
This wasn't it but you get the idea. The brutalizing effect is very interesting. I guess if you're in a tough place that punishes you harshly, you're more likely to do whatever it takes to not get caught.
[URL]http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/deterrence.html[/URL]
> Corazon wrote:
> This thing about lowering crime rates because of the death
> penalty was proven to be nonsense a long time ago.
>
> Just as a matter of curiosity, when and how was it proven?
You'd have to look that up yourself. I only remember it because i used to believe the same argument, that the death penalty was a good thing as a deterrent. I was suprised when i found out it wasn't.
EDIT
This wasn't it but you get the idea. The brutalizing effect is very interesting. I guess if you're in a tough place that punishes you harshly, you're more likely to do whatever it takes to not get caught.
[URL]http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/deterrence.html[/URL]
Seifer wrote:
> Very sorry about your friend.
It's fine. The point i was making was that had we been having this conversation 4 years ago, i would have had a very different point of view because anger will do that to you.
Justice has to be impartial to be justice, otherwise it's just vengeance and you cant have that. If the law was based on vengeance it would encourage people to take the law into their own hands. As it is theyre doing that anyway because of their lack of faith in the courts.
Whats frustrating is this is all reasonably easily fixed, just increase the prison sentences and this death penalty argument goes away because everyone is happy justice is done.
Whats the saying about the importance of justice being seen to be done?
> Very sorry about your friend.
It's fine. The point i was making was that had we been having this conversation 4 years ago, i would have had a very different point of view because anger will do that to you.
Justice has to be impartial to be justice, otherwise it's just vengeance and you cant have that. If the law was based on vengeance it would encourage people to take the law into their own hands. As it is theyre doing that anyway because of their lack of faith in the courts.
Whats frustrating is this is all reasonably easily fixed, just increase the prison sentences and this death penalty argument goes away because everyone is happy justice is done.
Whats the saying about the importance of justice being seen to be done?
Corazon wrote:
> This thing about lowering crime rates because of the death
> penalty was proven to be nonsense a long time ago.
Just as a matter of curiosity, when and how was it proven?
> This thing about lowering crime rates because of the death
> penalty was proven to be nonsense a long time ago.
Just as a matter of curiosity, when and how was it proven?
Very sorry about your friend.
Seifer wrote:
> Why do you think half your paycheck goes towards our countrys
> defence? war and killing is inevitable.
Theyre only inevitable if you accept them to be so. Power, thats why pretty much all wars happen.
>
> Yes they do get it wrong sometimes but that does happen mistakes
> are made, but look at how many people are scared to commit a
> crime now incase they recieve the death penalty, crime rate went
> down.
Are you American? Because we dont have the death penalty.
This thing about lowering crime rates because of the death penalty was proven to be nonsense a long time ago.
> Yes you could be biased but would you wanna see him/her out in 5
> years with a new life while your family member is dead? where is
> the justice in that?
I am biased, my friend was murdered and no i wouldn't want to see them out in 5 years. I didn't want to see them out in 3 which is what they got. Even then, i'm not so consumed with anger to want them executed. I'd rather they spent longer in prison.
> Why do you think half your paycheck goes towards our countrys
> defence? war and killing is inevitable.
Theyre only inevitable if you accept them to be so. Power, thats why pretty much all wars happen.
>
> Yes they do get it wrong sometimes but that does happen mistakes
> are made, but look at how many people are scared to commit a
> crime now incase they recieve the death penalty, crime rate went
> down.
Are you American? Because we dont have the death penalty.
This thing about lowering crime rates because of the death penalty was proven to be nonsense a long time ago.
> Yes you could be biased but would you wanna see him/her out in 5
> years with a new life while your family member is dead? where is
> the justice in that?
I am biased, my friend was murdered and no i wouldn't want to see them out in 5 years. I didn't want to see them out in 3 which is what they got. Even then, i'm not so consumed with anger to want them executed. I'd rather they spent longer in prison.
Borat §agdiyev wrote:
> I thought it was a bit of a daft statement.
Forgive me it was out of context.
> I thought it was a bit of a daft statement.
Forgive me it was out of context.
Corazon wrote:
> Seifer wrote:
> Murder/killing is something that has to be done.
>
> Are you winding me up?
Why do you think half your paycheck goes towards our countrys defence? war and killing is inevitable.
Yes they do get it wrong sometimes but that does happen mistakes are made, but look at how many people are scared to commit a crime now incase they recieve the death penalty, crime rate went down.
Yes you could be biased but would you wanna see him/her out in 5 years with a new life while your family member is dead? where is the justice in that?
> Seifer wrote:
> Murder/killing is something that has to be done.
>
> Are you winding me up?
Why do you think half your paycheck goes towards our countrys defence? war and killing is inevitable.
Yes they do get it wrong sometimes but that does happen mistakes are made, but look at how many people are scared to commit a crime now incase they recieve the death penalty, crime rate went down.
Yes you could be biased but would you wanna see him/her out in 5 years with a new life while your family member is dead? where is the justice in that?
I thought it was a bit of a daft statement.
Seifer wrote:
> Murder/killing is something that has to be done.
Are you winding me up?
> Murder/killing is something that has to be done.
Are you winding me up?
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