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The person writing the article isn't at all biased ... '... pity he didn't drown in it' ..
The person writing the article isn't at all biased ... '... pity he didn't drown in it' ..
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Agreed, and I think that's part of the point that a few of us were making.
When someone murders someone, i sit there and only think... life for a life. Then i see that the person who murdered someone dies, whats the point, its an easy way out. I think they should have LIFE in prison, in there till the day they die. To live with what they have doneand be punished for it But i think prisons should be more of a prison, they shouldnt have no luxuries etc...
Because money is more important than life, of course.
Is life really that un-important to you that you just say 'yeah, kill them' to anyone? And who would make that decision? You might as well bring back witch trials...
You kill someone, you're a murderer, or you've committed manslaughter at best. The law says so. The only exception to this is during war, but even that has to be justified and even then there are plenty of debates about it, just look at the killings coming under scrutiny from the last year in Iraq.
Is life really that un-important to you that you just say 'yeah, kill them' to anyone? And who would make that decision? You might as well bring back witch trials...
You kill someone, you're a murderer, or you've committed manslaughter at best. The law says so. The only exception to this is during war, but even that has to be justified and even then there are plenty of debates about it, just look at the killings coming under scrutiny from the last year in Iraq.
I dont know about everyone else but i would rather my money go towards the NHS than to study prisoners, and keep them alive.
pb wrote:
> They can study him and ask questions, hoping to find reasons
> behind why someone would do this. To solve a problem you have
> to understand it, not ignore it (which is what killing them
> would do).
This already happens though, even in countries that have the death penalty. You certainly dont need the rest of their natural life to understand them. There isnt anything to be gained from studying somebody for the rest of their life. Unless you want the definitive study of psychological effects of a life time in prison.
> They can study him and ask questions, hoping to find reasons
> behind why someone would do this. To solve a problem you have
> to understand it, not ignore it (which is what killing them
> would do).
This already happens though, even in countries that have the death penalty. You certainly dont need the rest of their natural life to understand them. There isnt anything to be gained from studying somebody for the rest of their life. Unless you want the definitive study of psychological effects of a life time in prison.
Yeah, I suppose it might help to put yourself in the shoes of a parent who's son/daughter has murdered someone.
Would you want your own son/daughter, or best friend killed? What if you knew for a fact it was completely out of character, and something profound must have badly affected their state of mind and judgement, for them to carry out such a callous act?
Take this guy who jumped off the hotel roof with his two children for example. Knee-jerk reaction ... evil bast! ... hang him! But that man is now existing in a living hell ... his terrible depression led him to do something he'll never forgive himself for. I dare say he'll commit suicide the first chance he gets.
People who murder others, aren't always evil, sometimes I believe they can be redeemed.
But going back to the person who I started this thread about ... I think he should stay in prison for the rest of his life ... I don't believe he'll ever be safe around children. And also those two lads who killed Jamie Bulger ... it angers me greatly that they get to live a nice normal life after committing murder, purely because they were children when they did it.
Those boys may go on to getting girlfriends and then married, their wives never knowing they beat a toddler to death. They should be told the truth so that they can make their own judgement whether they have been redeemed or not.
Would you want your own son/daughter, or best friend killed? What if you knew for a fact it was completely out of character, and something profound must have badly affected their state of mind and judgement, for them to carry out such a callous act?
Take this guy who jumped off the hotel roof with his two children for example. Knee-jerk reaction ... evil bast! ... hang him! But that man is now existing in a living hell ... his terrible depression led him to do something he'll never forgive himself for. I dare say he'll commit suicide the first chance he gets.
People who murder others, aren't always evil, sometimes I believe they can be redeemed.
But going back to the person who I started this thread about ... I think he should stay in prison for the rest of his life ... I don't believe he'll ever be safe around children. And also those two lads who killed Jamie Bulger ... it angers me greatly that they get to live a nice normal life after committing murder, purely because they were children when they did it.
Those boys may go on to getting girlfriends and then married, their wives never knowing they beat a toddler to death. They should be told the truth so that they can make their own judgement whether they have been redeemed or not.
Garin wrote:
> What kind of redemption is available to somebody like Ian Brady?
> Hes never going to be allowed back into society, hes never going
> to contribute to it in a meaningful way again. So whats left?
> Are you telling me I should pay taxes to keep him in prison for
> the rest of his life so he might one day understand the enormity
> of what hes done?
>
> Maybe the answer is to offer life prisoners day release so they
> can visit euthanasia clinics in Switzerland. :P
They can study him and ask questions, hoping to find reasons behind why someone would do this. To solve a problem you have to understand it, not ignore it (which is what killing them would do).
> What kind of redemption is available to somebody like Ian Brady?
> Hes never going to be allowed back into society, hes never going
> to contribute to it in a meaningful way again. So whats left?
> Are you telling me I should pay taxes to keep him in prison for
> the rest of his life so he might one day understand the enormity
> of what hes done?
>
> Maybe the answer is to offer life prisoners day release so they
> can visit euthanasia clinics in Switzerland. :P
They can study him and ask questions, hoping to find reasons behind why someone would do this. To solve a problem you have to understand it, not ignore it (which is what killing them would do).
Corazon wrote:
> It's legal murder and uncivilized
Murder by its very definition is unlawful so it can hardly be legal. And civilised behaviour is just a matter of perspective.
> It removes any chance of being redeemed
What kind of redemption is available to somebody like Ian Brady? Hes never going to be allowed back into society, hes never going to contribute to it in a meaningful way again. So whats left? Are you telling me I should pay taxes to keep him in prison for the rest of his life so he might one day understand the enormity of what hes done?
Maybe the answer is to offer life prisoners day release so they can visit euthanasia clinics in Switzerland. :P
> It's legal murder and uncivilized
Murder by its very definition is unlawful so it can hardly be legal. And civilised behaviour is just a matter of perspective.
> It removes any chance of being redeemed
What kind of redemption is available to somebody like Ian Brady? Hes never going to be allowed back into society, hes never going to contribute to it in a meaningful way again. So whats left? Are you telling me I should pay taxes to keep him in prison for the rest of his life so he might one day understand the enormity of what hes done?
Maybe the answer is to offer life prisoners day release so they can visit euthanasia clinics in Switzerland. :P
Seifer wrote:
> Thats the point i was trying to make, some people dont deserve
> to live due to the nature of their crimes.
I disagree
I dont think you can accurately seperate those who deserve to die (if any), from those who should live behind bars and those who are completely innocent which is why final no-going-back punishments are a bad idea.
It's legal murder and uncivilized
It removes any chance of being redeemed
Have i forgotten anything else?
> Thats the point i was trying to make, some people dont deserve
> to live due to the nature of their crimes.
I disagree
I dont think you can accurately seperate those who deserve to die (if any), from those who should live behind bars and those who are completely innocent which is why final no-going-back punishments are a bad idea.
It's legal murder and uncivilized
It removes any chance of being redeemed
Have i forgotten anything else?
Garin wrote:
> I must admit its an issue I cant decide on myself. I dont like
> the idea of killing another human being. Yet, I think of people
> like Myra Hindley (already dead anyway) & Ian Brady and ask
> myself why were they ever kept alive. They certainly werent
> deserving of it.
Thats the point i was trying to make, some people dont deserve to live due to the nature of their crimes.
> I must admit its an issue I cant decide on myself. I dont like
> the idea of killing another human being. Yet, I think of people
> like Myra Hindley (already dead anyway) & Ian Brady and ask
> myself why were they ever kept alive. They certainly werent
> deserving of it.
Thats the point i was trying to make, some people dont deserve to live due to the nature of their crimes.
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