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*Spoilers From Reloaded*
A lot of my friends including me were entirely baffled by most of what the Architect said. I'm watching the film again tonight but I have found a transcript of that entire scene for people who have seen it to piF**k at:
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The Architect - Hello, Neo.
Neo - Who are you?
The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.
Neo - Why am I here?
The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.
Neo - You haven't answered my question.
The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quiF**ker than the others.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.
*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is b******t."*
Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.
The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*F**k you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*
Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.
*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then baF**k to the Architect's room*
The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo - The Oracle.
The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left uncheF**ked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if uncheF**ked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo - This is about Zion.
The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.
Neo - Bullsh!t.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullsh1t!"*
The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then baF**k to the Architects room.*
The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.
The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.
*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*
The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*
Neo - Trinity.
The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo - No!
The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads baF**k to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
*Neo walks to the door on his left*
The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
The Architect - We won't.
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Does he have to use such big words? And why did the guy look like Col. Sanders? This explanes why his chiF**ken is not real, yet tastes so good (just like the Cypher steak :D). So he made the Matrix to peddle his non-chiF**ken food, NOW THIS SHOULD BE THE PLOT...OR IS IT REALLY THE PLOT?
I bet when Neo wakes up he want some "chiF**ken". Heh.
:D
A lot of my friends including me were entirely baffled by most of what the Architect said. I'm watching the film again tonight but I have found a transcript of that entire scene for people who have seen it to piF**k at:
---------------
The Architect - Hello, Neo.
Neo - Who are you?
The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.
Neo - Why am I here?
The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.
Neo - You haven't answered my question.
The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quiF**ker than the others.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.
*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is b******t."*
Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.
The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*F**k you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*
Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.
*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then baF**k to the Architect's room*
The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo - The Oracle.
The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left uncheF**ked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if uncheF**ked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo - This is about Zion.
The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.
Neo - Bullsh!t.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullsh1t!"*
The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then baF**k to the Architects room.*
The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.
The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.
*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*
The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*
Neo - Trinity.
The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo - No!
The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads baF**k to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
*Neo walks to the door on his left*
The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
The Architect - We won't.
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Does he have to use such big words? And why did the guy look like Col. Sanders? This explanes why his chiF**ken is not real, yet tastes so good (just like the Cypher steak :D). So he made the Matrix to peddle his non-chiF**ken food, NOW THIS SHOULD BE THE PLOT...OR IS IT REALLY THE PLOT?
I bet when Neo wakes up he want some "chiF**ken". Heh.
:D
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"HUMANS"!!!
Isn't humas a dip? That would be cool - a whole series of films devoted to saving some ancient salsa flavouring! Ha, Nicolas Cage plays the lead role because of his ability to stare at the sals spoon.
Isn't humas a dip? That would be cool - a whole series of films devoted to saving some ancient salsa flavouring! Ha, Nicolas Cage plays the lead role because of his ability to stare at the sals spoon.
What's the current theory on the Neo's past and present? do the old ones still exist? If so, where are they? Is Agent Smith and old Neo? Is that old chinese guy that protects the Oracle and old Neo? Is the Oracle an old Neo (would explain why she knows everything). If there have been 5 previous matrices, then there would be 5 previous Neos to account for. If the previous Neos were destroyed, wouldn't the robots know it was different this time by now and make more of an effort to destroy the humas?
Dont know how or who he is in relation to the film (seeing it this week), but he played The Giro Captain in Mad Max II.
Usual movie tidbit there.
How come I can remember crap like that, yet struggle to remember important life stuff?
Usual movie tidbit there.
How come I can remember crap like that, yet struggle to remember important life stuff?
What I want to know is, who's the haggard old guy you see in the game, and in the trailer for Revolutions? The one that looks like a tramp. There's a quick flash of him in the trailer, and he's in a cut-scene in Enter the Matrix where he walks past Niobe in the Matrix and laughs: "72 hours... that's how long it took last time," or something like that.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
gerrid wrote:
> What's with the exclamation mark?
Kinda being sardonic! Like the Beano.
> What's with the exclamation mark?
Kinda being sardonic! Like the Beano.
What's with the exclamation mark?
gerrid wrote:
> To be honest I don't think it really matters.
> It's not like it's a good enough film to warrant all this talk.
At least it does provoke some discussion!
> To be honest I don't think it really matters.
> It's not like it's a good enough film to warrant all this talk.
At least it does provoke some discussion!
What I want to know is; who is controlling the machines and the Matrix itself? There has to be someone or something running the show "on the outside"...
To be honest I don't think it really matters.
It's not like it's a good enough film to warrant all this talk.
It's not like it's a good enough film to warrant all this talk.
Sdrawkcab wrote:
> The time travel thing. If the people are all not living, but living
> through the matrix, how did they get to come into the real world? I
> don't know how to explain it, but if these things have already
> happened, how can people from then into a world and live their lives
> again?
Neo will free certain people from their connection to the Matrix (as Morpheus freed Neo and as he was intially freed himself), this act will then start the cycle again (the One will be obliterated in the process-Morpheus has already mentioned in the first film that there was one (allegedly born inside the Matrix) who could change the Matrix to fit his will-and freed Morpheus) and the humans will rebuild Zion and one of them will doubtless start a search for The One.
The next generation of humans will then experience the pinnacle of human civiliazation all over again, even though it passed away centuries ago.
> The time travel thing. If the people are all not living, but living
> through the matrix, how did they get to come into the real world? I
> don't know how to explain it, but if these things have already
> happened, how can people from then into a world and live their lives
> again?
Neo will free certain people from their connection to the Matrix (as Morpheus freed Neo and as he was intially freed himself), this act will then start the cycle again (the One will be obliterated in the process-Morpheus has already mentioned in the first film that there was one (allegedly born inside the Matrix) who could change the Matrix to fit his will-and freed Morpheus) and the humans will rebuild Zion and one of them will doubtless start a search for The One.
The next generation of humans will then experience the pinnacle of human civiliazation all over again, even though it passed away centuries ago.
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