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This thing I had to do as a moral values test in PSE at school (a while ago), the class gave a mixed reaction and wondered what you guys would reckon to it. You just put the following offences in the order of how bad you think they are, the worst coming first and the least worst coming last. You can just list numbers, it makes it easier.
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
3. Smoking weed
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
9. A man beating his wife
The order you place them in must be a moral order not "which crime gets the greatest punishment" order. It sort of defines you as a person, or something.
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
3. Smoking weed
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
9. A man beating his wife
The order you place them in must be a moral order not "which crime gets the greatest punishment" order. It sort of defines you as a person, or something.
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Miserableman wrote:
> • DW • wrote:
> 3. Smoking weed
> 8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
>
> Something like that.
>
>
> You're weird. Don't come near my car, heh.
I love being weird...
*Walks towards Miserableman's car*
Buah.
> • DW • wrote:
> 3. Smoking weed
> 8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
>
> Something like that.
>
>
> You're weird. Don't come near my car, heh.
I love being weird...
*Walks towards Miserableman's car*
Buah.
Mine are ordered rather than numbered, incidentally...
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
9. A man beating his wife
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
My reasoning:
I'm tend to agree with the old fashioned 'what would a reasonable man do' in each situation, although towards the top of the list I'm mostly concerned with the effect on the victim.
Murdering is totally wrong, even when provoked. Ending someone's life is the single most damaging thing you can do to them. For this reason it tops the list.
Sexual abuse and assault follow this, in their varying degrees of severity. Again, It's the effect on the victim which governs my choices here.
Next we're back to the severity of the intent of the crime. Armed robbery is worse than joyriding, which is worse than nicking something from a high street store. Smoking weed is preety much harmless.
The only one I had trouble fitting in is the Killing in self defence, and it's the only one where I'm really going much against the 'effect on the victim' thing. There's no intent to do harm, but the crime is very serious. In the end I've swayed in favour of the 'intent' side of things, although not totally.
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
9. A man beating his wife
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
My reasoning:
I'm tend to agree with the old fashioned 'what would a reasonable man do' in each situation, although towards the top of the list I'm mostly concerned with the effect on the victim.
Murdering is totally wrong, even when provoked. Ending someone's life is the single most damaging thing you can do to them. For this reason it tops the list.
Sexual abuse and assault follow this, in their varying degrees of severity. Again, It's the effect on the victim which governs my choices here.
Next we're back to the severity of the intent of the crime. Armed robbery is worse than joyriding, which is worse than nicking something from a high street store. Smoking weed is preety much harmless.
The only one I had trouble fitting in is the Killing in self defence, and it's the only one where I'm really going much against the 'effect on the victim' thing. There's no intent to do harm, but the crime is very serious. In the end I've swayed in favour of the 'intent' side of things, although not totally.
VenomByte wrote:
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> Smoking weed and nicking a teeshirt when nobody's looking are worse
> than murder, manslaughter, and violent assault?
No
I did with numbers instead
1 being worst
Don't be silly Mr Venombyte
>
> Smoking weed and nicking a teeshirt when nobody's looking are worse
> than murder, manslaughter, and violent assault?
No
I did with numbers instead
1 being worst
Don't be silly Mr Venombyte
2,3,4 and 8 would be at the bottom in some order, they're just property damage or personal things and no other people are involved. They're probably followed then by killing in self defence, I have no problem with putting that as less of a moral problem than the others. You haven't stated WHY the man is beating his wife, for all we know she could have been beating him up for the past few years and he could be defending himself, we don't know how the stranger has provoked us so I'm not going to comment on that, and that leaves the sexual assault and mugging the old man, which would be near the top.
Yeah, no real order, but ranking things is stupid.
Yeah, no real order, but ranking things is stupid.
SHEEPY wrote:
> 2)Sexual abuse of a young daughter
> 6)Armed robbery of a high street shop
> 9)Smoking weed
> 8)Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
> 1)Murdering a stranger who provokes you
> 3)Killing a mugger in self defence
> 4)Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
> 7)Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
> 5)A man beating his wife
Smoking weed and nicking a teeshirt when nobody's looking are worse than murder, manslaughter, and violent assault?
> 2)Sexual abuse of a young daughter
> 6)Armed robbery of a high street shop
> 9)Smoking weed
> 8)Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
> 1)Murdering a stranger who provokes you
> 3)Killing a mugger in self defence
> 4)Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
> 7)Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
> 5)A man beating his wife
Smoking weed and nicking a teeshirt when nobody's looking are worse than murder, manslaughter, and violent assault?
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
9. A man beating his wife
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
9. A man beating his wife
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
cookie monster wrote:
> 1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
> 5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
> 7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
> 9. A man beating his wife
> 2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
> 6. Killing a mugger in self defence
> 8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
> 4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
> 3. Smoking weed
I will talk you through my thinking.
Ok, the little girl is an innocent victim, she is being assaulted by her parent, has nowhere else to go, has lifelong affects.
Murder is bad, if you are provoked i say the guy was "asking for it" more than the little girl being abused. But you should have the restraint to walk away.
Robbing an old person is a disgrace, they are too feeble to defend themselves, but its not as bad as murder.
Ok, the guy beats his wife, but to behonest the woman should do something about it, leave, get him arrested, whatever.
Armed robbery will probably traumatise the person that is at gunpoint, being traumatised for life probably isnt fun.
The guy shouldnt be mugging you, killing him will be doing the world a favour.
You get your car nicked, gutting, claim off the insurance.
Pfff, who cares?
Smoke what you want as long as it isnt in my face i dont really care.
> 1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
> 5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
> 7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
> 9. A man beating his wife
> 2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
> 6. Killing a mugger in self defence
> 8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
> 4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
> 3. Smoking weed
I will talk you through my thinking.
Ok, the little girl is an innocent victim, she is being assaulted by her parent, has nowhere else to go, has lifelong affects.
Murder is bad, if you are provoked i say the guy was "asking for it" more than the little girl being abused. But you should have the restraint to walk away.
Robbing an old person is a disgrace, they are too feeble to defend themselves, but its not as bad as murder.
Ok, the guy beats his wife, but to behonest the woman should do something about it, leave, get him arrested, whatever.
Armed robbery will probably traumatise the person that is at gunpoint, being traumatised for life probably isnt fun.
The guy shouldnt be mugging you, killing him will be doing the world a favour.
You get your car nicked, gutting, claim off the insurance.
Pfff, who cares?
Smoke what you want as long as it isnt in my face i dont really care.
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
9. A man beating his wife
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
Let me say why. I'd say my top and second from top are tied. Murder is terrible, you're not just killing somebody, you're stealing their life and destroying the lives of their loved ones. Not quite sure what "provoking" means in this case. If we're talking about a radgie knifing somebody because they looked at them then it's the worst crime. Sexual abuse is something that sticks with a kid all their lives and should NOT happen. Kids should be playing outside, having fun, learning at school. They have innocence and that shouldn't be taken away from them.
Assaulting an old person is unforgiveable. The elderly are mostly defenceless, it's very easy for just about anybody to throw them around. Cowards. Plain and simple.
Wife beating. Women say they're equal, they're obviously not, as men can and do beat them. Which is sickening. Everybody has the right to a normal life, but unfortunaly that doesn't always happen, some people have to put up with domestic abuse. Again, these people are cowards.
Muggers are scumbags. Scumbags deserve death. Simple as that. If I can get a job, why can't they? Filth, absolute filth, like all thieves.
Having your car stolen is a gutting experience. That's bad enough, but joyriding costs lives. Any innocent person, be they adults, kids or the elderly, could be killed by some moronic thrill seekers. Most people would be happy to get their car back, and not even care if the people are caught as long as they get it back. Torching it obviously gets rid of that option.
Armed robbery. Hmm, well if they use physical violence, it's very bad, and would be higher than stealing a car and joyriding. If not, then it's nothing major, as long as nobody gets hurt. Of course, in a perfect world, they wouldn't do it.
Shoplifting. The boss isn't going to cry or worry about the bills if they have things stolen. Somebody who's just has their house broken into and all their personal belongings and anything of worth stolen or destroyed doesn't have this luxury.
Smoking weed. They're not hurting anyone except themselves. If they want to do it, then fine. Of course, that doesn't mean it should be made legal, if it were legal, more people would do it. Weed is bad for you.
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
9. A man beating his wife
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
Let me say why. I'd say my top and second from top are tied. Murder is terrible, you're not just killing somebody, you're stealing their life and destroying the lives of their loved ones. Not quite sure what "provoking" means in this case. If we're talking about a radgie knifing somebody because they looked at them then it's the worst crime. Sexual abuse is something that sticks with a kid all their lives and should NOT happen. Kids should be playing outside, having fun, learning at school. They have innocence and that shouldn't be taken away from them.
Assaulting an old person is unforgiveable. The elderly are mostly defenceless, it's very easy for just about anybody to throw them around. Cowards. Plain and simple.
Wife beating. Women say they're equal, they're obviously not, as men can and do beat them. Which is sickening. Everybody has the right to a normal life, but unfortunaly that doesn't always happen, some people have to put up with domestic abuse. Again, these people are cowards.
Muggers are scumbags. Scumbags deserve death. Simple as that. If I can get a job, why can't they? Filth, absolute filth, like all thieves.
Having your car stolen is a gutting experience. That's bad enough, but joyriding costs lives. Any innocent person, be they adults, kids or the elderly, could be killed by some moronic thrill seekers. Most people would be happy to get their car back, and not even care if the people are caught as long as they get it back. Torching it obviously gets rid of that option.
Armed robbery. Hmm, well if they use physical violence, it's very bad, and would be higher than stealing a car and joyriding. If not, then it's nothing major, as long as nobody gets hurt. Of course, in a perfect world, they wouldn't do it.
Shoplifting. The boss isn't going to cry or worry about the bills if they have things stolen. Somebody who's just has their house broken into and all their personal belongings and anything of worth stolen or destroyed doesn't have this luxury.
Smoking weed. They're not hurting anyone except themselves. If they want to do it, then fine. Of course, that doesn't mean it should be made legal, if it were legal, more people would do it. Weed is bad for you.
2)Sexual abuse of a young daughter
6)Armed robbery of a high street shop
9)Smoking weed
8)Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
1)Murdering a stranger who provokes you
3)Killing a mugger in self defence
4)Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
7)Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
5)A man beating his wife
Something like that
Struggled with the murder in self defence one
6)Armed robbery of a high street shop
9)Smoking weed
8)Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
1)Murdering a stranger who provokes you
3)Killing a mugger in self defence
4)Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
7)Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
5)A man beating his wife
Something like that
Struggled with the murder in self defence one
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