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This thing I had to do as a moral values test in PSE at school (a while ago), the class gave a mixed reaction and wondered what you guys would reckon to it. You just put the following offences in the order of how bad you think they are, the worst coming first and the least worst coming last. You can just list numbers, it makes it easier.
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
3. Smoking weed
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
9. A man beating his wife
The order you place them in must be a moral order not "which crime gets the greatest punishment" order. It sort of defines you as a person, or something.
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
3. Smoking weed
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
9. A man beating his wife
The order you place them in must be a moral order not "which crime gets the greatest punishment" order. It sort of defines you as a person, or something.
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Miserableman wrote:
> Of course there is motive, you hit on kids because you want some and
> you mug an old lady for the money she's carrying. Murdering someone
> because they 'provoked you' is not going to stand up in court, is it
> :|
Provocation is giving someone a reason to do something.
Because a young girl has sexual organs doesnt give a person a reason to shove his hoo-diddly up her. Just because an old woman has some pension money, it isn't motive to steal it.
Provocation is starting a fight with someone, pulling a knife out and demanding their money or saying nasty things about their mum.
If you beleive what you said then your sole existence is motive enough for you to be killed and bum-raped tonight. I hope you aren't right!
> Of course there is motive, you hit on kids because you want some and
> you mug an old lady for the money she's carrying. Murdering someone
> because they 'provoked you' is not going to stand up in court, is it
> :|
Provocation is giving someone a reason to do something.
Because a young girl has sexual organs doesnt give a person a reason to shove his hoo-diddly up her. Just because an old woman has some pension money, it isn't motive to steal it.
Provocation is starting a fight with someone, pulling a knife out and demanding their money or saying nasty things about their mum.
If you beleive what you said then your sole existence is motive enough for you to be killed and bum-raped tonight. I hope you aren't right!
Kyz22 wrote:
> - It is a crime without motive, the child cannot defend themselves and
> couldn't hane done anything specifically bad. It is something that
> robs them of their innocence, tortures their youth and scars them
> mentally for life.
>
> - Elderly people cannot defend themselves and are picked out as easy
> targets,they are often frail and cannot defend themselves and it
> causes them to live in fear. If they are assaulted they are less
> likely to recover and to be left with permenant injuries.
>
> - Murder is a severce crime but can be slightly justified with the
> term provocation. The type of provocation isn't specific, however a
> motive is present unlike in the above two crimes.
Of course there is motive, you hit on kids because you want some and you mug an old lady for the money she's carrying. Murdering someone because they 'provoked you' is not going to stand up in court, is it :|
> - It is a crime without motive, the child cannot defend themselves and
> couldn't hane done anything specifically bad. It is something that
> robs them of their innocence, tortures their youth and scars them
> mentally for life.
>
> - Elderly people cannot defend themselves and are picked out as easy
> targets,they are often frail and cannot defend themselves and it
> causes them to live in fear. If they are assaulted they are less
> likely to recover and to be left with permenant injuries.
>
> - Murder is a severce crime but can be slightly justified with the
> term provocation. The type of provocation isn't specific, however a
> motive is present unlike in the above two crimes.
Of course there is motive, you hit on kids because you want some and you mug an old lady for the money she's carrying. Murdering someone because they 'provoked you' is not going to stand up in court, is it :|
Here's my order:
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
9. A man beating his wife
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
My reasons:
- It is a crime without motive, the child cannot defend themselves and couldn't hane done anything specifically bad. It is something that robs them of their innocence, tortures their youth and scars them mentally for life.
- Elderly people cannot defend themselves and are picked out as easy targets,they are often frail and cannot defend themselves and it causes them to live in fear. If they are assaulted they are less likely to recover and to be left with permenant injuries.
- Murder is a severce crime but can be slightly justified with the term provocation. The type of provocation isn't specific, however a motive is present unlike in the above two crimes.
- A man beating his wife is a terrible crime and the women are often too scared to try and defend themselves or seek help. It traumatised women and children too and can lead to suicides and other sad things.
- Armed robbery is dangerous because of the fact there is a weapon present. Most of the people who have guns are moronic idiots and are likely to accidentally shoot someone. Innocent people can, sometimes, get hurt and bystanders can be killed because they are potentional witnesses. As it is a highstreet store, the severity of the crime is lessened as the store is likely to be fairly wealthy and cope with losses.
- Killing a mugger is self defence is something I sympathise with entirely. That farmer bloke who shot the burglars in his house and went to prison for it was completely in the right, I reckon. Self defence and personal safety is something we are all entitled to and it is a counter-crime, which I feels balances it out and makes it alright.
- Stealing a car is something that will irritate and upset the owner but the car is likely to be insured and no physical damage is caused by it. A replacement can be bought and often will be covered by the insurance.
- Wealthy stores overcharge people by about 600% and they aren't even going to notice if someone nicks a few hunder pounds worth of gear. The staff are paid salaries, not commision, so they don't lose out. The only person who loses out is the multi-millionaire owner of the shop, who couldn't care less about a few hunderd quid.
- Smoking weed is more natural than cigarettes as it grown naturally and isn't clogged with chemicals. It harms no one else except the smoker and is entirely down to the individual themselves.
1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
9. A man beating his wife
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
My reasons:
- It is a crime without motive, the child cannot defend themselves and couldn't hane done anything specifically bad. It is something that robs them of their innocence, tortures their youth and scars them mentally for life.
- Elderly people cannot defend themselves and are picked out as easy targets,they are often frail and cannot defend themselves and it causes them to live in fear. If they are assaulted they are less likely to recover and to be left with permenant injuries.
- Murder is a severce crime but can be slightly justified with the term provocation. The type of provocation isn't specific, however a motive is present unlike in the above two crimes.
- A man beating his wife is a terrible crime and the women are often too scared to try and defend themselves or seek help. It traumatised women and children too and can lead to suicides and other sad things.
- Armed robbery is dangerous because of the fact there is a weapon present. Most of the people who have guns are moronic idiots and are likely to accidentally shoot someone. Innocent people can, sometimes, get hurt and bystanders can be killed because they are potentional witnesses. As it is a highstreet store, the severity of the crime is lessened as the store is likely to be fairly wealthy and cope with losses.
- Killing a mugger is self defence is something I sympathise with entirely. That farmer bloke who shot the burglars in his house and went to prison for it was completely in the right, I reckon. Self defence and personal safety is something we are all entitled to and it is a counter-crime, which I feels balances it out and makes it alright.
- Stealing a car is something that will irritate and upset the owner but the car is likely to be insured and no physical damage is caused by it. A replacement can be bought and often will be covered by the insurance.
- Wealthy stores overcharge people by about 600% and they aren't even going to notice if someone nicks a few hunder pounds worth of gear. The staff are paid salaries, not commision, so they don't lose out. The only person who loses out is the multi-millionaire owner of the shop, who couldn't care less about a few hunderd quid.
- Smoking weed is more natural than cigarettes as it grown naturally and isn't clogged with chemicals. It harms no one else except the smoker and is entirely down to the individual themselves.
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1. Sexual abuse of a young daughter
9. A man beating his wife
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
9. A man beating his wife
7. Assaulting and robbing an elderly person
5. Murdering a stranger who provokes you
8. Stealing a car, joyriding in it and burning it out
2. Armed robbery of a high street shop
6. Killing a mugger in self defence
4. Shoplifting from a wealthy store (eg harrods)
3. Smoking weed
Kyz22, have u put chose this topic based on personal motivs?, ie-the most popular one will be put into practice! i find it a bit disturbing if they taught u this at college!
"Armed robbery will probably traumatise the person that is at gunpoint, being traumatised for life probably isnt fun."
I could never understand the whole "traumatised" thing. Sure, getting raped or seeing your family being murdered would be enough, but having a gun pointed at you? I'm always reading of how people were traumatised by a crime, but when they describe what happened... it's more of a story to tell people in pubs than something you end up telling a shrink.
I'm not an emotional woman, so I don't get it (it's always women...)
I kind of laugh at how soldiers were trying to sue the MOD because they weren't told about the horrors of war. Morons, you don't join the army unless you WANT to go to war, seriously. You know war isn't going to be good. The only people with the right to sue would be people who were drafted, as they didn't CHOOSE to go along.
I could never understand the whole "traumatised" thing. Sure, getting raped or seeing your family being murdered would be enough, but having a gun pointed at you? I'm always reading of how people were traumatised by a crime, but when they describe what happened... it's more of a story to tell people in pubs than something you end up telling a shrink.
I'm not an emotional woman, so I don't get it (it's always women...)
I kind of laugh at how soldiers were trying to sue the MOD because they weren't told about the horrors of war. Morons, you don't join the army unless you WANT to go to war, seriously. You know war isn't going to be good. The only people with the right to sue would be people who were drafted, as they didn't CHOOSE to go along.
SHEEPY wrote:
> VenomByte wrote:
>
> Smoking weed and nicking a teeshirt when nobody's looking are worse
> than murder, manslaughter, and violent assault?
>
> No
>
> I did with numbers instead
>
> 1 being worst
>
> Don't be silly Mr Venombyte
In which case, my order is I thinkg exactly the same as yours, except I've put killing in self defence further down.
Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ.
> VenomByte wrote:
>
> Smoking weed and nicking a teeshirt when nobody's looking are worse
> than murder, manslaughter, and violent assault?
>
> No
>
> I did with numbers instead
>
> 1 being worst
>
> Don't be silly Mr Venombyte
In which case, my order is I thinkg exactly the same as yours, except I've put killing in self defence further down.
Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ.
Because it makes for much clearer and more sensible reading, unlike some other stoopid theories :)
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