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Post edited by Hmmm... on 29/12/2018 at 18:19.
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Dragonlance wrote:
[Think we've already got one here:
Daily Gaming Issues
:¬)
That's a general thread and it's in the gaming section. I'm starting to think this thread is to the detriment of the forum.
[Think we've already got one here:
Daily Gaming Issues
:¬)
That's a general thread and it's in the gaming section. I'm starting to think this thread is to the detriment of the forum.
Nin wrote:
Can I suggest that all these gaming posts be moved into their own thread? It'd do this forum good to have an active topic outside of the WLT, which tends to swallow everything up.
Think we've already got one here:
Daily Gaming Issues
:¬)
Can I suggest that all these gaming posts be moved into their own thread? It'd do this forum good to have an active topic outside of the WLT, which tends to swallow everything up.
Think we've already got one here:
Daily Gaming Issues
:¬)
Mid-morning all and happy friday! This week has flown by, and been a cold one too.
Car said -2 here, but being South East i get warmer temperatures lol. Hopefully snow fall soon, so we are unable to drive and spend all day doing nothing, but you know that wont happen.
So spent the past day writing some reviews while I have been getting some time here and there, ill get em posted online today hopefully! Ill try to continue with writing em, been a lot of films and games I have played since my last visit on here, so sure I can annoy all of you with plenty of reviews haha
Car said -2 here, but being South East i get warmer temperatures lol. Hopefully snow fall soon, so we are unable to drive and spend all day doing nothing, but you know that wont happen.
So spent the past day writing some reviews while I have been getting some time here and there, ill get em posted online today hopefully! Ill try to continue with writing em, been a lot of films and games I have played since my last visit on here, so sure I can annoy all of you with plenty of reviews haha
Can I suggest that all these gaming posts be moved into their own thread? It'd do this forum good to have an active topic outside of the WLT, which tends to swallow everything up.
I don't think anyone is being naive, as all the opinions raised with regard to this are valid.
However, (and, please bear in mind this is not MY opinion, just cold, hard fact) the people that make the decisions are not the buying public (directly), not the game stores, but rather the big games producers and developers such as EA.
Fact- EA and the like would rather the trade in market did not exist. Although it may be good for gamers, and could be argued that its "free promotion" and that some will only buy on the strength that they can at least get a small return when they trade it in, the game devs make no money directly from it. They would rather you bought a new copy, don't really care from where, but trade ins are nothing better than "tolerated". If the market shifts to online sales and purchasable downloads, it's actually more profitable for them.
Fact- Gaming is a global market as I'm sure you all understand. If 25% of the UK market drops off (I actually think it would be far less than this- Game group accounts for less than 15% of overall gaming sales in the UK), this would be offset by the increase in new sales due to the stunting of the trade in market. This has been studied and discussed by EA et al for many years, and is PROBABLY true.
PC gaming is a slightly more warped issue, as there are additional factors that contribute toward the trend for downloadable games/ no trade ins. The PC game sales in the high street have died for one simple reason- the overwhelming majority worldwide DO download. This is evidenced by the increase in DLC for existing games, and reinforced by the high street sales (or lack thereof) of addon products for games. Example: Oblivion was one of the biggest sellers of the year, we could hardly keep up with demand. DLC comes out, they release it all on a disc, we have the same four copies in store for six months. Now I KNOW loads of people played the DLC, so...
There are other examples (fallout 3 etc...) that back this up. Additionally, some of the biggest grossing games of all time are single user licenses (MMORPG's for example.. I know this is a slightly different case, but it does prove that the single user process is viable) or required an internet connection to activate (Half Life 2 etc...)
Bottom line is, the games companies neither care nor will it impact them greatly if those that trade no longer gamed at all, or those that cannot buy online/ download are lost...
However, (and, please bear in mind this is not MY opinion, just cold, hard fact) the people that make the decisions are not the buying public (directly), not the game stores, but rather the big games producers and developers such as EA.
Fact- EA and the like would rather the trade in market did not exist. Although it may be good for gamers, and could be argued that its "free promotion" and that some will only buy on the strength that they can at least get a small return when they trade it in, the game devs make no money directly from it. They would rather you bought a new copy, don't really care from where, but trade ins are nothing better than "tolerated". If the market shifts to online sales and purchasable downloads, it's actually more profitable for them.
Fact- Gaming is a global market as I'm sure you all understand. If 25% of the UK market drops off (I actually think it would be far less than this- Game group accounts for less than 15% of overall gaming sales in the UK), this would be offset by the increase in new sales due to the stunting of the trade in market. This has been studied and discussed by EA et al for many years, and is PROBABLY true.
PC gaming is a slightly more warped issue, as there are additional factors that contribute toward the trend for downloadable games/ no trade ins. The PC game sales in the high street have died for one simple reason- the overwhelming majority worldwide DO download. This is evidenced by the increase in DLC for existing games, and reinforced by the high street sales (or lack thereof) of addon products for games. Example: Oblivion was one of the biggest sellers of the year, we could hardly keep up with demand. DLC comes out, they release it all on a disc, we have the same four copies in store for six months. Now I KNOW loads of people played the DLC, so...
There are other examples (fallout 3 etc...) that back this up. Additionally, some of the biggest grossing games of all time are single user licenses (MMORPG's for example.. I know this is a slightly different case, but it does prove that the single user process is viable) or required an internet connection to activate (Half Life 2 etc...)
Bottom line is, the games companies neither care nor will it impact them greatly if those that trade no longer gamed at all, or those that cannot buy online/ download are lost...
My car told me it was -5 here too, a bit of de-icing required before we could set off.
I really need to remember my gloves next time, my fingers are only just thawing...
I really need to remember my gloves next time, my fingers are only just thawing...
Morning all,
Very cold here as well - one of my housemates had joy in telling me it is -5oC outside. Not particularly feeling the walk into lectures, but needs must.
Bought an app for my blackberry that is supposed to wake you up in your lightest part of your sleep. Tried it last night and not only did it fail to wake me up in the lightest part of my sleep, it failed to wake me up at all, with my normal alarm coming to the rescue. Still, I didn't feel groggy this morning, just frozen to my bedsheets....
@Pete - I've heard something about the browser virus they are talking about a while back. The banks seemed terrified back then, but I've heard nothing since. Maybe they'll decide to go on a case-by-case basis based on who reports they believe they have been victims?
Very cold here as well - one of my housemates had joy in telling me it is -5oC outside. Not particularly feeling the walk into lectures, but needs must.
Bought an app for my blackberry that is supposed to wake you up in your lightest part of your sleep. Tried it last night and not only did it fail to wake me up in the lightest part of my sleep, it failed to wake me up at all, with my normal alarm coming to the rescue. Still, I didn't feel groggy this morning, just frozen to my bedsheets....
@Pete - I've heard something about the browser virus they are talking about a while back. The banks seemed terrified back then, but I've heard nothing since. Maybe they'll decide to go on a case-by-case basis based on who reports they believe they have been victims?
Morning (starting again!)
No sign of snow, but I expect it's cold out there today. Got to take the eldest to school as the other one has a high temperature and has to stay at home (again).
No sign of snow, but I expect it's cold out there today. Got to take the eldest to school as the other one has a high temperature and has to stay at home (again).
Alfonse wrote:
pb wrote:
[i]Other points to note:
- Trade in. Many people, like me, rely on trading in games once they've played them. Can't do that elsewhere.'
Ebay. Cex?
- Online. Obviously, online game downloads remove the chance of this anyway, but as some have pointed out, those with a good enough connection and no download caps are still in the minority. Until someone works out how to kick BT into gear in rural areas it's just not going to happen for many.
I've never met a serious gamer who didn't have a decent connection. Like I said, I have nothing against online retailers like Amazon.
- people. There are many people who only buy from physical shops and do not understand or trust online shops. It may not be you, but it's a huge chunk of the game buying public.
Is this a good thing? I think you're being naive, on-line buying is hardly complicated.
Also, to whoever said that people without internet are in the minority, I link you to studies from two years back which show that 3 in 4 households have a broadband connection
Extremely drunk right now so please excuse me if parts of this don't make any sense.[/i]
- CEX, yes, but then you only get the choice of trading second hand for second hand or getting a smaller amount in cash.
- As Pete pointed out, that leaves 25% of the country that don't. and an even larger percentage that have 2mbps or less AND are capped at something ridiculous like 3GB a month.
If you don't live in the right place then you don't have a choice, and I don't know that many gamers who would have the money to move just because of their internet connection.
- Online buying may not be complicated, but I've met a lot of people who are put off by all the scare stories or who don't have a computer in their house. Remember that it's not just gamers who buy the games, but people who buy them for other people.
pb wrote:
[i]Other points to note:
- Trade in. Many people, like me, rely on trading in games once they've played them. Can't do that elsewhere.'
Ebay. Cex?
- Online. Obviously, online game downloads remove the chance of this anyway, but as some have pointed out, those with a good enough connection and no download caps are still in the minority. Until someone works out how to kick BT into gear in rural areas it's just not going to happen for many.
I've never met a serious gamer who didn't have a decent connection. Like I said, I have nothing against online retailers like Amazon.
- people. There are many people who only buy from physical shops and do not understand or trust online shops. It may not be you, but it's a huge chunk of the game buying public.
Is this a good thing? I think you're being naive, on-line buying is hardly complicated.
Also, to whoever said that people without internet are in the minority, I link you to studies from two years back which show that 3 in 4 households have a broadband connection
Extremely drunk right now so please excuse me if parts of this don't make any sense.[/i]
- CEX, yes, but then you only get the choice of trading second hand for second hand or getting a smaller amount in cash.
- As Pete pointed out, that leaves 25% of the country that don't. and an even larger percentage that have 2mbps or less AND are capped at something ridiculous like 3GB a month.
If you don't live in the right place then you don't have a choice, and I don't know that many gamers who would have the money to move just because of their internet connection.
- Online buying may not be complicated, but I've met a lot of people who are put off by all the scare stories or who don't have a computer in their house. Remember that it's not just gamers who buy the games, but people who buy them for other people.
Alfonse wrote:
Also, to whoever said that people without internet are in the minority, I link you to studies from two years back which show that 3 in 4 households have a broadband connection
So that's 25% of current UK households that don't then?, I consider that to be quite a lot. Another point which sprung to my mind with downloading games is the amount HDD space they will require. With games to be stored on dual layer BD discs (reckon the PC market will go this way too) your collections are going to take up some serious HDD space. Don't think it's all as straightforward as some may think but I still believe that ultimately this is the way the market will go.
@Jason Yeah, the bank hacking thing is scary, I notice that they don't seem to be naming any specific banks at the moment. That's obviously to prevent customer hysteria but if I am one of those customers I would want to know. Surely a change of login details is the least that all customers who could possibly have been effected should be doing?
Also, to whoever said that people without internet are in the minority, I link you to studies from two years back which show that 3 in 4 households have a broadband connection
So that's 25% of current UK households that don't then?, I consider that to be quite a lot. Another point which sprung to my mind with downloading games is the amount HDD space they will require. With games to be stored on dual layer BD discs (reckon the PC market will go this way too) your collections are going to take up some serious HDD space. Don't think it's all as straightforward as some may think but I still believe that ultimately this is the way the market will go.
@Jason Yeah, the bank hacking thing is scary, I notice that they don't seem to be naming any specific banks at the moment. That's obviously to prevent customer hysteria but if I am one of those customers I would want to know. Surely a change of login details is the least that all customers who could possibly have been effected should be doing?
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