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chasfh wrote:
So not "Fair enough" then?
Early adopters? Don't think so. If you've been sleeping under a rock, maybe...
Never said I wasn't aware of other's opinions, but that doesn't make mine any less valid. Apparently you have issue with that. Petty.
You do realise that many things have been "officially the best selling something" only to turn out to be gold plated junk? And as you love comparisons, I was once told that Juan Miro was a great artist, critically acclaimed at that, but I STILL consider his works to be childish and banal; same thing here.
Plus, trying to change a SUBJECTIVE opinion of something so utterly SUBJECTIVE (see what I did there?) by throwing vague "facts" at it is like trying to eat water with a fork.
My eyes see what they see. I have an OPINION.
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 13:10.
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 13:16.
Calm down, I'm stating my opinion and was showing that I'm not alone in sharing that opinion. When did I say you weren't allowed one?
As I said, I love the visual style of BOTW and I love what Nintendo have done with a new twist on gaming. I didn't ask you to like it at any point in time, did I? The Switch is great and up-to-date tech that is perfectly suited to the current gamer in my opinion.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 13:36.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 13:37.
pb wrote:
Yes, of course you are entitled to your opinion, one that I and many others who have posted their reviews of the console and of Zelda, don't agree with.
My opinion is that the Switch is PERFECTLY suited to the current technology in most people's homes, which is still predominately 1080p TV and only early adopters are looking at 4K. Not really Nintendo's audience, at all. In fact, you could argue that they're more forward thinking than most, providing a console for a busier lifestyle.
It's a great console which launched with a game that is officially the best launch game ever and it has both mobile and TV options. There's no real argument as to whether it's a handheld or standard console unless you have agreed definitions of each, so it's equally both.
I also, along with many other people including many professional game reviewers, think that Breath of the Wild is a beautiful game with a wonderful hand drawn art style that looks great in motion and is breath-taking in places.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 12:18.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 12:18.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 12:20.
So not "Fair enough" then?
Early adopters? Don't think so. If you've been sleeping under a rock, maybe...
Never said I wasn't aware of other's opinions, but that doesn't make mine any less valid. Apparently you have issue with that. Petty.
You do realise that many things have been "officially the best selling something" only to turn out to be gold plated junk? And as you love comparisons, I was once told that Juan Miro was a great artist, critically acclaimed at that, but I STILL consider his works to be childish and banal; same thing here.
Plus, trying to change a SUBJECTIVE opinion of something so utterly SUBJECTIVE (see what I did there?) by throwing vague "facts" at it is like trying to eat water with a fork.
My eyes see what they see. I have an OPINION.
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 13:10.
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 13:16.
pb wrote:
It's a great console which launched with a game that is officially the best launch game ever
In my book that chapter is called Gameboy Tetris
:)
chasfh wrote:
Again, not sure what you're getting at. Where's the relevance?
I have merely pointed out, perfectly legitimately, perfectly sensibly, that the Switch has NO FORWARD THINKING FEATURES, for a console that's just been released, when everybody else is looking forward to 4K (and 4K gaming, since you brought it up) and to updating their particular consoles to add 4K compatible features (such as a 4K bluray PLAYER- I was VERY specific about that), thus making them more USEFUL with the currently growing format (very specific about that too).
Which supports the opinion that it's a handheld that plugs into your TV, and NOT a home console that has a "mobile" mode.
Which is where I have a problem with it, as initially stated.
Which is why I don't think it's what was originally "promoted" as the idea by Nintendo.
Plus, and bearing in mind I am a free citizen and entitled to an opinion (at least until Trump and Putin divide the world between themselves), the trailer for Zelda (which is where this all started) looked GOD AWFUL! It still does, and no matter what you say, no matter the "comparisons" you put forward to try to "discredit" my opinion of said graphical lacking (odd aim to start with), my opinion will not change.
The Switch is sub standard for modern tech. End. Move on if you can, get used to the fact I don't think the Switch is an "amazing advance in gaming", don't even think its a good console option (adequate, at best), last I'm saying on the matter.
At this point, the appropriate response would be "Fair enough", not "yeah but..."
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 11:45.
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 11:49.
Yes, of course you are entitled to your opinion, one that I and many others who have posted their reviews of the console and of Zelda, don't agree with.
My opinion is that the Switch is PERFECTLY suited to the current technology in most people's homes, which is still predominately 1080p TV and only early adopters are looking at 4K. Not really Nintendo's audience, at all. In fact, you could argue that they're more forward thinking than most, providing a console for a busier lifestyle.
It's a great console which launched with a game that is officially the best launch game ever and it has both mobile and TV options. There's no real argument as to whether it's a handheld or standard console unless you have agreed definitions of each, so it's equally both.
I also, along with many other people including many professional game reviewers, think that Breath of the Wild is a beautiful game with a wonderful hand drawn art style that looks great in motion and is breath-taking in places.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 12:18.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 12:18.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 12:20.
pb wrote:
900p native, Switch outputs at 1080p. As with almost any other console game (720p for many Xbox titles)
Again, not sure what you're getting at. Where's the relevance?
I have merely pointed out, perfectly legitimately, perfectly sensibly, that the Switch has NO FORWARD THINKING FEATURES, for a console that's just been released, when everybody else is looking forward to 4K (and 4K gaming, since you brought it up) and to updating their particular consoles to add 4K compatible features (such as a 4K bluray PLAYER- I was VERY specific about that), thus making them more USEFUL with the currently growing format (very specific about that too).
Which supports the opinion that it's a handheld that plugs into your TV, and NOT a home console that has a "mobile" mode.
Which is where I have a problem with it, as initially stated.
Which is why I don't think it's what was originally "promoted" as the idea by Nintendo.
Plus, and bearing in mind I am a free citizen and entitled to an opinion (at least until Trump and Putin divide the world between themselves), the trailer for Zelda (which is where this all started) looked GOD AWFUL! It still does, and no matter what you say, no matter the "comparisons" you put forward to try to "discredit" my opinion of said graphical lacking (odd aim to start with), my opinion will not change.
The Switch is sub standard for modern tech. End. Move on if you can, get used to the fact I don't think the Switch is an "amazing advance in gaming", don't even think its a good console option (adequate, at best), last I'm saying on the matter.
At this point, the appropriate response would be "Fair enough", not "yeah but..."
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 11:45.
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 11:49.
Morning all.
Misty this morning, and it's not lifting. Hopefully a lot better by the time I finish work and do the school run.
Misty this morning, and it's not lifting. Hopefully a lot better by the time I finish work and do the school run.
chasfh wrote:
I'm not at all confused at all, however you seem to fail to READ what I write fully.
Never mentioned 4K gaming on Xbox, so not sure where you're going with that.
So, for the new Zelda game, 900p, which the Switch outputs at. Glad that's sorted.
900p native, Switch outputs at 1080p. As with almost any other console game (720p for many Xbox titles)
pb wrote:
Again, you seem to be confusing your own experiences with the general public. £600 is an awful lot of money for most people who already have a decent working 1080p TV in their house.
Ok, so we aren't talking about PCs, so it's just console gaming. There's only one console out this generation which provides a few native 4K games and that's PS4 Pro. The Xbox One S doesn't provide 4K games at all. The UHD drive just plays movies.
So for gaming, the status quo is 1080p, which Switch outputs at. Glad that's sorted.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 10:14.
I'm not at all confused at all, however you seem to fail to READ what I write fully.
Never mentioned 4K gaming on Xbox, so not sure where you're going with that.
So, for the new Zelda game, 900p, which the Switch outputs at. Glad that's sorted.
chasfh wrote:
Again, what has "pc gamers" got to do with it?
And conflicting HDR tech, so what?
And the 360, did I even mention that? Where does that play a part, it's not even current?
And who mentioned the Scorpio? The current Xbox one S has a 4K bluray. (as you DID mention the Scorpio, good point, there's the not too distant future).
4K in its infancy? Really? They're talking about 8K now, only as "super high end tech", but even so. I think 4K is pretty much set. Sky have an ever-increasing amount of content in 4K via their Q box, so...
"Cheap" 4K TV's are no good? Mine was £600 (not exactly expensive) for a 49 inch LG that upscales perfectly, will stream from Amazon in 4K perfectly, does everything it needs to perfectly, and is even good for gaming (I've tried my pc on it). I paid DOUBLE that price for my first HD- ready tv! You don't need to spend a fortune on 4K at all to get decent kit, just take advantage of the ridiculous special offers that just about every outlet are doing on 4K sets.
But then, what do I know?
Again, you seem to be confusing your own experiences with the general public. £600 is an awful lot of money for most people who already have a decent working 1080p TV in their house.
Ok, so we aren't talking about PCs, so it's just console gaming. There's only one console out this generation which provides a few native 4K games and that's PS4 Pro. The Xbox One S doesn't provide 4K games at all. The UHD drive just plays movies.
So for gaming, the status quo is 1080p, which Switch outputs at. Glad that's sorted.
Post edited by pb on 10/03/2017 at 10:14.
pb wrote:
The Xbox 360 didn't have a Bluray player when they were considered the next big thing (and a vast majority of homes still don't have a Bluray player and are still using DVD). It even came without HDMI connection as that was becoming the norm. Obviously, the 360 was a terrible console that didn't do very well.
Only new sales of TVs will be 4K for the general public since the services that support them (Sky and Virgin, not Freeview or Freesat yet) aren't exactly teeming with content to push the need for people to change their current sets. So I dare say there are people out there who have a 4K TV and aren't the usual ones to go and rush out and get a new TV because of new technology, but it's only because they needed a new TV.
The 4K format,TV wise, is still in its infancy, too, with 2 competing HDR formats that are independent of each other, an ever increasing gulf between cheap 4K TVs with bad upscaling and terrible refresh and response rates and the middle to top end models that are far better for sports or gaming. Unless you spend a fair bit of money, it's much better to wait until it's all settled down.
PS4 Pro and Scorpio (which isn't even out until November) are still seen as only for those who are early adoptors at the moment, even the head of Xbox says that it's not going to be their main console but the vast majority of sales will be for the Xbox One S, which only does 4K upscaling on games (exactly the same tech used by the TVs themselves to upscale from 1080p). So Switch is pretty much the same, outputting at 1080p with 4K TV owners upscaling from that to 4K.
And Steam still shows the vast majority of PC gamers (those earliest of technology pushers) to be playing at 1080p resolutions.
Again, what has "pc gamers" got to do with it?
And conflicting HDR tech, so what?
And the 360, did I even mention that? Where does that play a part, it's not even current? But as we're on the subject, I think even Microsoft themselves would admit it didn't do anywhere near as well as they hoped due to its shortcomings. That's what happens when you back the wrong horse.
And who mentioned the Scorpio? The current Xbox one S has a 4K bluray. (as you DID mention the Scorpio, good point, there's the not too distant future, and it's crispy and UHD).
4K in its infancy? Really? They're talking about 8K now, only as "super high end tech", but even so. I think 4K is pretty much set. Sky have an ever-increasing amount of content in 4K via their Q box, so...
"Cheap" 4K TV's are no good? Mine was £600 (not exactly expensive) for a 49 inch LG that upscales perfectly, will stream from Amazon in 4K perfectly, does everything it needs to perfectly, and is even good for gaming (I've tried my pc on it). I paid DOUBLE that price for my first HD- ready tv! You don't need to spend a fortune on 4K at all to get decent kit, just take advantage of the ridiculous special offers that just about every outlet are doing on 4K sets.
But then, what do I know?
Post edited by chasfh on 10/03/2017 at 10:11.
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