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Wed 26/03/03 at 08:17
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Have you ever wondered how many people have had exactly the same thoughts that you are having right now?

Sometimes I look at people going about their buisness and wonder what is going on in their minds. What are they thinking about, what are their hopes and dreams. Then I wonder if other people ever wonder what people are thinking. The next logical step is to wonder if anyway has every wondered what I am thinking. Maybe the person I am looking at right now, wondering what they are thinking, is looking at me, and wondering what I am thinking.

My thoughts seem so personal to me, stuff that even my partner doesn't know about me. But if other people are thinking the same things as me then how do I locate my sense of individuality. Have I ever had a thought that no one else has had? I bet this isn't the first time this has been voiced either.

But somebody must have thought these things first? Some early philospher. But of course he wouldn't have know that he was the first person to think that thought, how can anyone ever know that the thoughts they have are original.

And are we using up what original thoughts there are left? Are there any original thoughts left. and if there aren't any original thoughts left, then how can I possibly hope to become anything that is different. How can I be 'me'.

Whenever I have felt inspired to post something recently this has been holding me back. Can I say anything that you haven't heard a million times before? And if thats the case, then why would you want to read something that you have already read?

I would love to know what your feelings are on this.
Wed 26/03/03 at 12:02
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Rosalind wrote:
>
> Suspend your disbelief for a second, and imageine that you could come
> across yourself walking down the street. Do you think that you would
> recognise yourself?

I don't think I understand this.

My initial reaction is "yes, of course I would"
In actual fact I would probably stop and stare in disbelief,

but I have, on a number of occasions see children who look just like I did when I was approximately their age. I shrug that off and put it down to coincidence, so by that rational, if I saw myself walking down the street I wouldn't recognise myself, but that is not because I didn't reconise the face I saw approaching me, but because I know that that could never happen.

I would recognise myself, but I wouldn't believe what I was seeing.
Wed 26/03/03 at 11:55
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I was filling up tip boxes thinking to myself, that I have never, and will never actually see my face. I've seen a reflection of my face, and I've seen photos of my face, but I have never seen the real thing.

Suspend your disbelief for a second, and imageine that you could come across yourself walking down the street. Do you think that you would recognise yourself?
Wed 26/03/03 at 10:30
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Rosalind wrote:
> The original post is designed to be thought prokvoking and ask
> questions which we can disscuss. Its not really supposed to be about
> me, but about all of us, and what makes us who we are.

Well, there haven't been any answers that are only specific to you. All the answers have been pretty general and could be applied to anyone.

However, this does raise another interesting question.
Playing Devil's advocate, if we are all individuals, then how can this post be about all of us, and what makes us who we are?
Wed 26/03/03 at 10:25
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The original post is designed to be thought prokvoking and ask questions which we can disscuss. Its not really supposed to be about me, but about all of us, and what makes us who we are.

I enjoy thinking about things like this. I realise that I have a lot of questions about what is going on inside and outseid of me. I'm just exploring them in effort to understand myself better.
Wed 26/03/03 at 10:21
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Or alternatively here's another way of addressing your own individuality. . .

Suppose you try to find your individuality and can't.

Think about what you would do about it?
and what you would do differently to gain a sense of your individuality?

So now you find a sense of individuality, but is it yours?

If you force a sense of individuality upon yourself by changing yourself in order to find that quality, are you still you?
Is that individuality yours, or is it a sense of individuality at all?

I don't think that trying to change yourself to find yourself makes any sense at all.
I'm not saying don't change, but that if you impose an identity in order to do that you've changed your subject.

end of ramble
Wed 26/03/03 at 10:01
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Rosalind wrote:
> Do I now need to address my need to be different?
>
> If we were all the same would that be good?
>
> Don't I need my own sense of individuality?
>
> If I didn't have my own sense of individuality, would I still be
> 'me'?
>
> who is 'me'?
>
> I've got a lot of questions.

My, you have got a lot of questions haven't you?

and I really can't see you finding conclusive answers to all of them.

I can offer my own views, but I don't think that they will help you any.
I'm going to offer them anyways.

> Do I now need to address my need to be different?

If you feel that you need to, then yes, you do. Either that or realise that you are different.

> If we were all the same would that be good?

To some extent, yes. People need to be different, but not so different that they are isolated from other people. So in answer, you need to be different, and you are different, but you also need to be the saem, and you are the same.

> Don't I need my own sense of individuality?

If you feel you do, then you do.

> If I didn't have my own sense of individuality, would I still be
> 'me'?

Yeah, course you would.

> who is 'me'?

you are. :)

What you need to ask yourself is does any of it really matter?
Think about each question, and the potential answers, and ask yourself what implications those answers would have.
You'll probably conclude that some of the questions do matter, and some don't. That way you can discard the ones that don't matter and concentrate on thinking about the ones that do matter.
Wed 26/03/03 at 09:49
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Do I now need to address my need to be different?

If we were all the same would that be good?

Don't I need my own sense of individuality?

If I didn't have my own sense of individuality, would I still be 'me'?

who is 'me'?

I've got a lot of questions.
Wed 26/03/03 at 09:45
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Rosalind wrote:
> The only things I can control are my thought and my actions. I can
> use my thought and my actions to make me different you everyone
> else.

Yes, if you really need to be that different.


> Doesn't it follow then, that if everyone else is thinking the thoughts
> that I am thinking, and doing the actions that I am doing, I cannot be
> different from them?

No, because you don't start from the same place. You already are different.

> Either that or I cannot control wether I am different or not, and this
> thought scares me rather.

Why, is the thought of being like the rest of us so shockingly repulsive?

> Is 'me' made up of my thoughts and actions? or do I have no control
> over 'me'.
>
> I don't have answers.

No, if you did, you wouldn't be you ;)
Wed 26/03/03 at 09:33
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The only things I can control are my thought and my actions. I can use my thought and my actions to make me different you everyone else.

Doesn't it follow then, that if everyone else is thinking the thoughts that I am thinking, and doing the actions that I am doing, I cannot be different from them?

Either that or I cannot control wether I am different or not, and this thought scares me rather.

Is 'me' made up of my thoughts and actions? or do I have no control over 'me'.

I don't have answers.
Wed 26/03/03 at 09:10
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Ms NY wrote:

> And, are you a scorpio?!!

I'm sagatatarius. I missed scorpio by a day.

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